List Mgmt. 2020 Draft and Delistings

Gysberts2Bate · Nov 12, 2020

As it stands we have picks 18, 19, 28 and 50. I'd expect us to use all four picks, as 50 could come into 40 or so after clubs have to use multiple picks before 50 to match academy bids.

Currently we have 36 players on our senior list and three rookies (Chandler, Mitch Brown, Jay Lockhart). Minimum senior list size is 36, max is 38, rookie list can be 1-8 players for a minimum of 37 players and a max of 44 players overall.

Senior players out of contract: Bedford, Jordon, Oscar McDonald, Nietschke
Rookies out of contract: Chandler, Brown, Lockhart (ie all of them)

So if we're going to use four picks at the draft we need to move at least two players from the senior list before the draft.

I reckon Oscar, Bedford and Nietschke will be delisted with four draftees coming in to give us 37 players. With one more list spot we probably promote Jay Lockhart to the senior list. Nietschke and Bedford I expect to get redrafted as rookies, Chandler and M Brown probably delisted. Gives us 2-3 rookies going into the rookie draft depending on what happens with Lockhart, with potential to add up to four more if players slide from the draft.

Possible also that James Jordon could be delisted and rerookied but would be a risk for us to take given another club could very easily take him late in the draft if they liked him in his draft year when he went in the second round as the youngest player in the draft and haven't seen enough of anyone else this year. That beig said it's suspiciously late in the piece for him to not have a contract so maybe we wouldn't be phased.

ImissFrosty · Nov 12, 2020

I think Oscar and Nietschke are gone as well as Mitch Brown. Jordon re-signs, Lockhart promoted to the senior list and Bedford redrafted as a rookie. But who knows?

Gysberts2Bate · Nov 12, 2020

On balance if we can get another Rivers and another Kossie in the draft between 18, 19 and 28 our 22 is starting to look pretty balanced IMO.

Priorities for the draft for mine would be:

1) roaming high-half forward/mid type, has to have a decent kick. Someone like Dan Butler or Jack Higgins. A better and more consistent Spargo/Hannan/ANB/Melksham.
2) crumbing small forward to allow Kossie to become the above
3) lockdown general defender type, ideally with some run. Hibberd/Jetta replacement, releases Salem and Rivers to play outside mid/high half forward
4) outside mid with a good kick, hard defensive runner, sits on the wing opposite Langdon.

Focus on getting skilled, smart team-first footballers who have some versatility rather than stereotypically dominant junior inside mids/key position players with average skills who look like they have a lot of upside but would be forced to play out of position.

pjfairbairn · Nov 12, 2020

4 x Inside Mids

Gysberts2Bate · Nov 12, 2020

Also when we're inevitably trying to trade back in the 2021 first round I'm actually in the 'trade Brayshaw' camp now (I'm sorry I doubted you Topkent, I see the light now). I like his best football and I think he does have that inside/outside mix that Oliver and Viney lack, but I don't think he's ever going to get a chance to show it for us. We'll never get his post-2018 value and post-2019 was probably the time to cut our losses if we wanted a top 10 pick, but if he can somehow have a good enough year next year to land us a top 12-15 pick from a side in need of a high production inside mid, I'd jump at that. We're still going to have Viney, Oliver, Petracca, Harmes and Sparrow to do what he does for the remainder of his career elsewhere.

If he leaves as a FA at the end of 2022 we'd be lucky to get a pick at the end of the first round on recent form considering Adelaide got a second rounder for Crouch.

That being said if he has a good year next year and we shoot up the ladder I might be open to keeping him... If he wants to stay he needs to become the tackling beast he was in his first year, or nail a wing/half-forward spot.

markm106 · Nov 12, 2020

Gotta be happy with what we’ve done. Brown I will admit wasn’t huge on early. But came around to it. And for that price it was huge unders. He’ll also allow Weideman to get second key defender. That is a huge bonus.
The trading out of next year fist round I’m not totally sold on. But there’s more to play out.

Topkent · Nov 13, 2020

Gysberts2Bate said:
Also when we're inevitably trying to trade back in the 2021 first round I'm actually in the 'trade Brayshaw' camp now (I'm sorry I doubted you Topkent, I see the light now). I like his best football and I think he does have that inside/outside mix that Oliver and Viney lack, but I don't think he's ever going to get a chance to show it for us. We'll never get his post-2018 value and post-2019 was probably the time to cut our losses if we wanted a top 10 pick, but if he can somehow have a good enough year next year to land us a top 12-15 pick from a side in need of a high production inside mid, I'd jump at that. We're still going to have Viney, Oliver, Petracca, Harmes and Sparrow to do what he does for the remainder of his career elsewhere.

If he leaves as a FA at the end of 2022 we'd be lucky to get a pick at the end of the first round on recent form considering Adelaide got a second rounder for Crouch.

That being said if he has a good year next year and we shoot up the ladder I might be open to keeping him... If he wants to stay he needs to become the tackling beast he was in his first year, or nail a wing/half-forward spot.

Gus last year to show he can be part of our midfield. Needs to do more around half forward and back especially with pressure from Rivers now.

Scoring from centre bounces is basically nothing now as is scoring from clearances. Either we have to change how the games played or we need to move out some inside players and get some turnover specialists

Topkent · Nov 13, 2020

Heat Chapman, Archie Perkins and Brayden Cook.

Meds · Nov 13, 2020

Topkent said:
Heat Chapman, Archie Perkins and Brayden Cook.

The Oracle has spoken.

Mods - time to start up threads for the new additions.

stEdy · Nov 13, 2020

In before picks 18, 19 and 28 are "look, he's a great competitor and we really like his contest work"

LarryDavidNeitz · Nov 13, 2020

You'd have to think we're a big chance to package a few picks and go higher again on draft night. Or alternatively, you'd think there might be opportunities to pick at 18 and 19 and then trade 28 for a future pick in late 1st/early 2nd round to a club desperate to pick someone who will be gone by their pick. (Hang in there A11dAtP0w3R)

Assuming we have two picks under 30 on draft night, we just have to pick a small(ish) forward who's a genuine goalkicker, and someone with excellent kicking skills who is a prospect at outside mid, ideally with capabilities to also play half forward and kick goals.

harry000 · Nov 13, 2020

Gysberts2Bate said:
As it stands we have picks 18, 19, 28 and 50. I'd expect us to use all four picks, as 50 could come into 40 or so after clubs have to use multiple picks before 50 to match academy bids.

Currently we have 36 players on our senior list and three rookies (Chandler, Mitch Brown, Jay Lockhart

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Jay Lockhart

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). Minimum senior list size is 36, max is 38, rookie list can be 1-8 players for a minimum of 37 players and a max of 44 players overall.

Senior players out of contract: Bedford, Jordon, Oscar McDonald

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Oscar Mcdonald

Age
28

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196cm

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100kg

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Def

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, Nietschke
Rookies out of contract: Chandler, Brown, Lockhart (ie all of them)

So if we're going to use four picks at the draft we need to move at least two players from the senior list before the draft.

I reckon Oscar, Bedford and Nietschke will be delisted with four draftees coming in to give us 37 players. With one more list spot we probably promote Jay Lockhart

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Jay Lockhart

Age
28

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177cm

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75kg

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to the senior list. Nietschke and Bedford I expect to get redrafted as rookies, Chandler and M Brown probably delisted. Gives us 2-3 rookies going into the rookie draft depending on what happens with Lockhart, with potential to add up to four more if players slide from the draft.

Possible also that James Jordon could be delisted and rerookied but would be a risk for us to take given another club could very easily take him late in the draft if they liked him in his draft year when he went in the second round as the youngest player in the draft and haven't seen enough of anyone else this year. That beig said it's suspiciously late in the piece for him to not have a contract so maybe we wouldn't be phased.

Thought the club has already said Oscar will be back next year trying to win his spot back?

Dark Avenger · Nov 13, 2020

harry000 said:
Thought the club has already said Oscar will be back next year trying to win his spot back?

Goodwin: Well Oscar we here at MFC like to think of ourselves as a fairly progressive company. Some might say we have a big & promising future.

OMAC: Well a lot of people consider me big & promising.

Goodwin: That's funny Oscar. You're very quick. I feel like I, like I don't have to explain every little thing to you. You understand everything immediately.

OMAC: I enjoy understanding.

Goodwin: I want you to remain on the list. Of course...

Secretary: Josh Mahoney is on line 2.

Goodwin: Thanks. I've got to take this call. Listen, I'm really glad that you came in.

Topkent · Nov 13, 2020

harry000 said:
Thought the club has already said Oscar will be back next year trying to win his spot back?

Nope Mahoney said we haven't offered him a contract as of now. Doesn't sound like we will..

schmuttt · Nov 13, 2020

Oscar will be a DFA I reckon.

LeverPuller · Nov 13, 2020

Topkent said:
Heat Chapman, Archie Perkins and Brayden Cook.

How the hell is your draft mail so good from Canada

Topkent · Nov 13, 2020

LeverPuller said:
How the hell is your draft mail so good from Canada

I might have made these up, I'd be surprised if the club had settled on anyone yet seeing as how much our draft hand changed from the start of the trade period

Headless · Nov 13, 2020

Topkent said:
Heat Chapman, Archie Perkins and Brayden Cook.

Meds said:
The Oracle has spoken.

Mods - time to start up threads for the new additions.

CWaffles · Nov 13, 2020

Topkent said:
Heat Chapman, Archie Perkins and Brayden Cook.

I was so disappointed to learn this was a spelling mistake, would have loved seeing the banners in the cheer squad "Bring the Heat"

CWaffles · Nov 13, 2020

harry000 said:
Thought the club has already said Oscar will be back next year trying to win his spot back?

Think Mahoney meant Tom not Oscar....at least I hope.

Grimesy87 · Nov 14, 2020

stEdy said:
In before picks 18, 19 and 28 are "look, he's a great competitor and we really like his contest work"

"Elite standards"

Cromulent1 · Nov 14, 2020

Grimesy87 said:
"Elite standards"

Has good scope to understand learnings.

mrmonkey · Nov 15, 2020

Dark Avenger said:
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Goodwin: Well Oscar we here at MFC like to think of ourselves as a fairly progressive company. Some might say we have a big & promising future.

OMAC: Well a lot of people consider me big & promising.

Goodwin: That's funny Oscar. You're very quick. I feel like I, like I don't have to explain every little thing to you. You understand everything immediately.

OMAC: I enjoy understanding.

Goodwin: I want you to remain on the list. Of course...

Secretary: Josh Mahoney

Josh Mahoney

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47

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180cm

Wt
83kg

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is on line 2.

Goodwin: Thanks. I've got to take this call. Listen, I'm really glad that you came in.

Goodwin returns to pre season shocked to find Oscar is ready to train.

Goodwin: Oscar I'm starting to wonder if you understand anything.

Oscar: you are aware Clarkson is interested in me.

Goodwin: you're not Clarkson material.

Oscar: really? Hehe well we'll see about that (walking away with a smirk he says) ta ta tell tell.

Oscar arrives at Hawthorn training.

Clarkson says: Oscar what I meant to say is that we would have you however we are unsure about list sizes and we can't take on any more players.

blitznu · Nov 15, 2020

LeverPuller said:
How the hell is your draft mail so good from Canada

cause that hawks guy told him who we were picking last year

adonski · Nov 15, 2020

I think we'll take Oliver Henry, Brayden Cook & Laurie Bailey

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