List Mgmt. 2020 Draft (December 9) discussion thread

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Our currently owned picks:

24 - Blake Coleman
43 - Harry Sharp
48 - Henry Smith

Our currently owned 2021 picks:

1st (MEL), 1st (BRI), 3rd (WCE), 3rd (BRI), 4th (MEL), 4th (COL), 5th (BRI)
 
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I think it's a bit much to expect to come out of every draft ahead when every other club's trying to come out ahead , especially with the cards we held. You can only control what you can do, it's presumptuous to predict what others will do.

Daniher hopefully fills what has been a gaping need, it's not as if we paid the world to get him.

As far as last night goes we wanted Coleman ,we have him. It didn't fall entirely the way we would've preferred but we've had a throw at the stumps with the other 2 guys and who knows.

The big issues for us are whether Daniher stands up and whether the 5 or 6 guys we have been grooming off our best 22 can develop and step up. We only need 2 or 3 of them to strongly compete for a spot and we're looking ok for the next 2 years. Planning for 2 or 3 years out should be well underway
 

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Fagenslions36 said:
Absolutely staggered by some Whinging On this board about how poorly we have done this off season . Are you kidding me ? Daniher elevates us right up there in terms of offensive power and if cockatoo gets fit he could be anything . We have 2 young midfielders in smith and Robertson who we can add through the midfield this year and we are pretty much set with exciting small forwards with the addition of young Coleman . Our list isnt lacking anything Now IMO I. If this young sharp can work on his football iq over the years then we are gonna have a bloke tearing it up on a wing nobody will go with him . All this and we have our first rounder next year in the 14-18 range and Melbourne’s which could be anything from a top 5 picks to around 15 . Take 2 good picks to draft next year and top up on more talent and then trim off some of the passenger in Archie smith , Mathieson etc .
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Great post, the problem with some on here is we're used to having early picks for such a long time and get some of the best talents around..Which walked straight into our side in their first year. That's because our list was dreadful and had no choice but play them see how they went. Now our list is far superior to a few years ago some can't understand that we are topping up for the future not the present. So we won't know for a while if picks are any good, and that makes people uneasy. I trust the club with the decisions they are making been great in recent times. GO LIONS
 
Lace Out said:
Sharp might have the Kieran King’s about him but at least he has been playing football.
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Yes ! that's the name I was looking for when I heard about the new lad's running prowess.
 
BRAB said:
I do feel a bit uneasy about where we ended up. Started with picks 17+18 and ended with an academy kids, two speculative punts late in the draft and Melbourne’s first next year.

Just think we could have done more with our first rounders. Won’t actually know for a while though how this year went.
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I'm pretty sure it's been scientifically proven that Melbourne only make the finals once every three leap years. Next year is 2021. Top 10 pick minimum, more than likely top 5..

LOCK IT IN.
 
BangyBangy said:
I'm pretty sure it's been scientifically proven that Melbourne only make the finals once every three leap years. Next year is 2021. Top 10 pick minimum, more than likely top 5..

LOCK IT IN.
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It's science.
 
pulpdriver said:
It's science.
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Should change our name next year on draft night coz we're going to be making out like bandits.

The Brisbane Bandits.

** I apologize in advance to everyone if for some ungodly reason Melbourne don't do a Melbourne next year & instead do a Port Adelaide, and it was my posts that caused it. **
 
BangyBangy said:
Should change our name next year on draft night coz we're going to be making out like bandits.

The Brisbane Bandits.

** I apologize in advance to everyone if for some ungodly reason Melbourne don't do a Melbourne next year & instead do a Port Adelaide, and it was my posts that caused it. **
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Not to worry, we'll trade out 2022 first assuming we get Will Ashcroft under father son.

EDIT : On another note, I sort of felt uneasy watching Collingwood trade away next year's first. Jacob Allison was rated No.1 pick and then slid to 60 during draft year. It's a big gamble trading away future firsts based on new draftees a year out.
 
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BangyBangy said:
Should change our name next year on draft night coz we're going to be making out like bandits.

The Brisbane Bandits.

** I apologize in advance to everyone if for some ungodly reason Melbourne don't do a Melbourne next year & instead do a Port Adelaide, and it was my posts that caused it. **
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Melbourne's list says they should be very competitive next year . Anything out of the 8 is a good win for us.
 
martinson said:
Melbourne's list says they should be very competitive next year . Anything out of the 8 is a good win for us.
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I don't disagree, but you can say the same for GWS, Carlton & maybe even (just due to home ground advantage) Freo too. And for any of those teams to leap into the 8, a top 8 team has to depart.

On paper Melbourne has looked great for the last few years. It would appear that on paper isn't where games are won & lost.

I'm all in on a capitulation in 2021 ;)
 

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BangyBangy said:
I don't disagree, but you can say the same for GWS, Carlton & maybe even (just due to home ground advantage) Freo too. And for any of those teams to leap into the 8, a top 8 team has to depart.

On paper Melbourne has looked great for the last few years. It would appear that on paper isn't where games are won & lost.

I'm all in on a capitulation in 2021 ;)
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Me too.

But they've got too many good players. Is it the coaching ? They go missing for critical periods during games.
 
Dylan12 said:
They let us wallow longer yet the over correction has been absurd.

You say the concessions finish next year but I’m sure that doesn’t include the monopoly they wrongly have on the NT or am I wrong. If I’m not, then that is another unfair advantage / concession they retain.

Again where was our help from 2010-2018 when we wallowed for 8 odd years with no hope?
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Because we have the history to stay afloat through a sustained lean trot like that, and the Suns don't. They would have folded. Maybe not folded, but continued as an embarrassment, and a financial drain.

Look at where have we got to without handouts - and how much more legitimate is our success with out them.

And as one from the Bears side of the family, I credit the Fitzroy connection as a big part of that.
 
Came across this while reading up on Harry Sharp..
Barring the extra "e" in the last name, lot of uncanny profile resemblance here.

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Brizzys Squizzy said:
Great post, the problem with some on here is we're used to having early picks for such a long time and get some of the best talents around..Which walked straight into our side in their first year. That's because our list was dreadful and had no choice but play them see how they went. Now our list is far superior to a few years ago some can't understand that we are topping up for the future not the present. So we won't know for a while if picks are any good, and that makes people uneasy. I trust the club with the decisions they are making been great in recent times. GO LIONS
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I don’t believe that’s the case at all.

I don’t believe anyone expected us to walk away with a great draft haul this year.

Some here are complaining about what they perceive as others complaining about our “draft haul”.

I haven’t seen anyone complain about the kids we drafted.


However, there are some here, myself included, who believe we overpaid, figuratively, for the kids we did draft.

It’s conceivable that we could have matched a bid on young Coleman and drafted the exact same kids, had we moved our second round pick in to next year, and just loaded up on third round picks this year.

There were some here who actually mentioned doing this in the days and week/s leading up to the draft.

It was well publicised that Collingwood were considering bidding on Coleman.

It was also well publicised that Collingwood wanted to trade their 2021 first round pick in to this year’s draft, after they had matched the bid on their nga kid.

It was also well publicised that some teams late in the first round were shopping their pick to get out of this year’s draft, for a future first round pick.


We got caught last year with the bid on Keidean Coleman coming earlier than expected. (Even though one poster here did say well before the draft that a bid would come much earlier than people expected)

We got done again this year, though we had a contingency in place, when we knew it was a strong possibility.

Personally, I believe it was the first misstep our recruiting team has made at the draft, in terms strategising around our academy kids.
 
I remember people complaining when we used pick 12 on Charlie.

How I look at it we are in a window so went for best players outside of the draft
Daniher on fire is A grade.
Cockatoo right up there as well.

We have a few kids who got a few years into them who you hope step up.
Dev, Joyce, E Smith, Prior, T Berry, Kiddy etc I have hopes for them.

Draft unless we where top 8 and with NGA we slide we not going to get a impact player next year
18-19 which became picks in the 20's
We picked up a great young kid Coleman. Who may or may not get a game next year.
Took a punt on another 3 kids Sharp, Carter and Smith.
Let go a few players although Martin's time was almost up and Witho was no longer top 22.

Time will tell.

Everyone clapping and cheering on the pies. They did not get a pick in to 17. Took a punt on some young kids that take time
While loosing Treloar, Stephenson and Philips. Next years first, cap space for Beams and you say Bucks pissed off a few players how he did it.
Pendles be gone before those guys come on. There are a few other guys hovering around 30 as well.
 
briztoon said:
I don’t believe that’s the case at all.

I don’t believe anyone expected us to walk away with a great draft haul this year.

Some here are complaining about what they perceive as others complaining about our “draft haul”.

I haven’t seen anyone complain about the kids we drafted.


However, there are some here, myself included, who believe we overpaid, figuratively, for the kids we did draft.

It’s conceivable that we could have matched a bid on young Coleman and drafted the exact same kids, had we moved our second round pick in to next year, and just loaded up on third round picks this year.

There were some here who actually mentioned doing this in the days and week/s leading up to the draft.

It was well publicised that Collingwood were considering bidding on Coleman.

It was also well publicised that Collingwood wanted to trade their 2021 first round pick in to this year’s draft, after they had matched the bid on their nga kid.

It was also well publicised that some teams late in the first round were shopping their pick to get out of this year’s draft, for a future first round pick.


We got caught last year with the bid on Keidean Coleman coming earlier than expected. (Even though one poster here did say well before the draft that a bid would come much earlier than people expected)

We got done again this year, though we had a contingency in place, when we knew it was a strong possibility.

Personally, I believe it was the first misstep our recruiting team has made at the draft, in terms strategising around our academy kids.
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Go back and read through the forum again because you're wrong. The club can't be held responsible for the actions of other clubs, that's what the drafts about, excluding the fact the pies were never interested in Blake, they did it to shaft us. Did the best we could with the picks we had and if you look at what some of the other clubs are doing as far as next years draft, I think we are on the money and know exactly what path we want to take.
 
Fagenslions36 said:
Absolutely staggered by some Whinging On this board about how poorly we have done this off season . Are you kidding me ? Daniher elevates us right up there in terms of offensive power and if cockatoo gets fit he could be anything . We have 2 young midfielders in smith and Robertson who we can add through the midfield this year and we are pretty much set with exciting small forwards with the addition of young Coleman . Our list isnt lacking anything Now IMO I. If this young sharp can work on his football iq over the years then we are gonna have a bloke tearing it up on a wing nobody will go with him . All this and we have our first rounder next year in the 14-18 range and Melbourne’s which could be anything from a top 5 picks to around 15 . Take 2 good picks to draft next year and top up on more talent and then trim off some of the passenger in Archie smith , Mathieson etc .
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I haven't seen a lot of whinging at all. I've seen discussion and analysis. Not expert analysis (myself particularly), but fan discussion, which is kinda the point of why we're all here.

You've said we did well this off-season because of:
- Daniher- agreed. If he gets his body good, we do well. Free agent factor also good but doesn't speak to how well we managed for value. He was the first thing we did in the off-season, so if we signed him and then did nothing else, would we be in a better position? I'm not sure.
- Smith (presumably Eli as you said midfielder) - not something we did this off-season
-Robertson - not something we did this off-season
- Coleman - no one complaining but we did have priority access, so it was fairly straightforward

If you look at discussions around trades, and if you listen to Nobes (prior to leaving) and Conole, they talk about how a lot of fans try to microanalyse individual transactions, but that they're all part of a bigger picture, and it is better to look at the entire off-season as a whole. So, we did.

We did Daniher early. Good one.

After that, we started with an extra pick (Port, which we were hoping to be around 10), but no round 2, and finished with an extra pick (Melbourne, which we are hoping to be around 10) but no round 2. If they cancel out, we traded equivalent to a full set of picks plus Witho for Cockatoo, Coleman and 2 picks in the 40s.

No one burning memberships or lamenting the death of the club... all fine... but from a value position, I'm not sure i see the improvement over our position before the trade period.
 
Because we basically traded out of the quality end of this draft in favour of 2021, we won't be able to assess the correctness of our draft strategy until we see what we collect with our extra first round pick next year.
 
I dont see what the fuss is about our draft haul. We were never going to get the top end talent, aside from Coleman. Even if we had access to some top picks, there wasn't really a position that I thought we have major weaknesses in. I am happy we have a developing ruck now though

I also think we are set up well for next years trade period. 2 first rounders is always good currency to have for a finals team looking for a missing piece.

Overall I think we ended the off season with the tools to have a better team next year. Daniher alone vastly improves our forward potency, then there will be the natural progression in some of the younger guys. I look forward to hearing who is pushing for a spot come round 1.
 
Wow, you guys are such apologists. Can't believe we just gave up on this draft when it was basically the best chance we have to improve our side after losing quality players like Witherden and Hinge. I actually feel like we will slide pretty hard. I hope I'm wrong but I can't see any other result. Imagine if Neale goes down, is Henry Smith going to be winning the ball? No? So why even draft him.
Hard F.
I'm sorry guys, but that's the truth.
 
WhiteLionFeva said:
Because we basically traded out of the quality end of this draft in favour of 2021, we won't be able to assess the correctness of our draft strategy until we see what we collect with our extra first round pick next year.
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I actually like the Hawks/Swans method get some players in from other clubs you know the value. Like we did with Daniher/Cockatoo
Who can play a role and try for top grade talent as well.

Draft always a chance you normally know 4 years later if you done well.
Look at the 2015 draft now a few of those top 20 no longer around
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We have 2 left Hipwood and Matho just rookied. Skinner delisted, delisted Keays last year and we all know what happened with Schache
Interesting we now have Ah Chee #8 and Adams taken #35
So swings and round abouts
 
I'm quite interested to see how our ruck recruit progresses, interesting choice given our recruiting and apparent needs. Surely we are already heavily into trading in a ruck next year.
 

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