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Blackhawk42 said:
Is the Bonar floor example/comparison a reasonable one? Did Aiden ever show the pace and class at junior level that Perkins has? Genuine question because I wasn't following the draftees then. Bonar just looks like a well built inside mid who hadn't adapted to senior footy.
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I don't think Bonar did and I agree with your post.
 
Blackhawk42 said:
Is the Bonar floor example/comparison a reasonable one? Did Aiden ever show the pace and class at junior level that Perkins has? Genuine question because I wasn't following the draftees then. Bonar just looks like a well built inside mid who hadn't adapted to senior footy.
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Aidan Bonar was actually quite highly rated by GWS and is another example of when they have their sights set on someone in the draft, they don't hold back 😉

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This trade effectively means they gave Devon Smith away for close to zero return in order to secure the selection they thought would be required to land Aiden Bonar.

I still don't get how others here don't think it beneficial to at least try and take advantage of them in a Trade for Pick 4 this year.

We could potentially clean up.

There's plenty more examples of them performing similar mind boggling trades and maybe people should do a little research before shutting others down.
 
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Judd2Sewell said:
I don't think Bonar did and I agree with your post.
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In his draft year he was apparently rated in the 8-15 bracket despite undergoing two knee reconstructions.

Despite this GWS thought he was much better than that and went hard out to ensure they landed him.

Obviously it didn't work out but as we all know, the draft can be a lottery at times and they were willing to take a chance because they believed in his ability.

They want our pick, let's at least consider taking advantage of it 😎
 
chopflop said:
https://afl.draftcentral.com.au/player/aiden-bonar-2/

DRAFT ANALYSIS: "One of the most exciting talents in the draft, Aidan Bonar has been a revelation coming off two knee reconstructions to be in serious contention for a first round selection. He still has plenty to work on, but oozes X-factor."
OVERVIEW
Aidan Bonar was always internally highly rated as a youngster, but after two knee reconstructions, became the forgotten man. Returning late in the season, the Dandenong Stingrays’ X-factor became an eye-catcher with his dash, vertical leap and ability to make magic happen when he had the football. He still has a long way to go in terms of playing AFL football after missing so much development with his injuries, but in terms of what he is capable of, many believe he is an untapped talent that could go far with the right coaching. There were very little expectation for the tall forward/inside midfielder coming back to the TAC Cup, but his glimpses certainly showed he had what it takes to become an AFL footballer.
STRENGTHS
  • Kicking
  • Acceleration
  • X-factor
  • Versatility
Bonar is a player that many have asked about in the recent months such has been his rise up the ranks since returning from injury. He oozes X-factor, has elite acceleration and topped the charts with his vertical leap at the National Combine. He has all the raw traits to becoming a sensation and cult hero at the next level. It was hard for football followers not to get excited when a 189cm player who plays taller than he is, can run and jump like Bonar can. His kicking despite efficiency being poor in the TAC Cup, is rated as high as they come over long distances. His short kicking can sometimes miss targets, but as a whole, his kicking is a strength.
Based on his athletic traits alone, it is hard seeing him slip out of the second round, and some rumours have St Kilda considering him with one of their top 10 picks – a remarkable transformation from forgotten man to potential top 10 draftee. The other strength of Bonar’s that is often forgotten is his versatility. He played at both ends and through the middle at times in the TAC Cup, but seems to have the most impact as a half-forward. In the All Stars game he impressed through the midfield and will be much better for the run. At AFL level, expect him to play up forward before progressing into the midfield with time. While he was okay in defence, he did not have the same influence as when he was further down the ground.
IMPROVEMENTS
  • Endurance
  • Consistency
The two knocks for me are his endurance and his consistency. For all his exciting factors, he has to build his consistency. This of course will come with time and once his endurance base grows. One can hardly blame him given he has spent two years out of the game, but despite the obvious appeal towards Bonar it is worth remembering he still has areas he needs to develop. The other improvement Bonar needs to make is building his tank. It is no surprise again given he has missed two years out of the game, but his endurance is quite poor as it stands, which is why he mostly stayed forward or back in his matches with the Stingrays. His endurance results at the National Combine were in the bottom 12 across both the 2km time trial and yo-yo test. Again, it is an improvement which will come with time, but a reason why he is unlikely to play AFL football in the near future.
DRAFT PROJECTION: 7-20
SUMMARY
Aidan Bonar is a draft prospect that is hard not to get excited about. He fits the resurrection tag of coming from the forgotten lands of back-to-back knee reconstructions to impress recruiters in the second half of the season. He still has a long way to go in regards to playing senior AFL football, but he certainly has an athletic base which very few have. If he can buy in to the club that selects him’s program, then Bonar could become anything and could well be one of the better prospects out of this draft crop if he develops the way that many hope he can in the future.


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Not saying they play exactly the same, but the traits and potential narrative is consistent with A.Perkins.
I see Bonar as his bust potential. i.e. elite athlete but hasn't put it all together, huge ceiling.
Obviously it hasn't worked our for aiden
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Call me crazy but I reckon 2 knee reco’s can greatly diminish ones athletic prowess and ability at AFL level - case in point - Beau Muston, Brendon Whitecrosd - both never the same player after 2x knee recos

Perkins has never done a knee so no idea why we are comparing him to Bonner ...
 
Noel Gallagher said:
Call me crazy but I reckon 2 knee reco’s can greatly diminish ones athletic prowess and ability at AFL level - case in point - Beau Muston, Brendon Whitecrosd - both never the same player after 2x knee recos

Perkins has never done a knee so no idea why we are comparing him to Bonner ...
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He's not exactly comparing him to Bonar. He's saying his skill floor is Bonar - a highly talented athlete who couldn't transition to a full time mid. That's the risk you take when you select Perkins. Of course there are differences with the biggest being lack of injury history.
 
Noel Gallagher said:
Call me crazy but I reckon 2 knee reco’s can greatly diminish ones athletic prowess and ability at AFL level - case in point - Beau Muston, Brendon Whitecrosd - both never the same player after 2x knee recos

Perkins has never done a knee so no idea why we are comparing him to Bonner ...
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Don't think that's what he was doing at all 🤔
 
chopflop said:
https://afl.draftcentral.com.au/player/aiden-bonar-2/

DRAFT ANALYSIS: "One of the most exciting talents in the draft, Aidan Bonar has been a revelation coming off two knee reconstructions to be in serious contention for a first round selection. He still has plenty to work on, but oozes X-factor."
OVERVIEW
Aidan Bonar was always internally highly rated as a youngster, but after two knee reconstructions, became the forgotten man. Returning late in the season, the Dandenong Stingrays’ X-factor became an eye-catcher with his dash, vertical leap and ability to make magic happen when he had the football. He still has a long way to go in terms of playing AFL football after missing so much development with his injuries, but in terms of what he is capable of, many believe he is an untapped talent that could go far with the right coaching. There were very little expectation for the tall forward/inside midfielder coming back to the TAC Cup, but his glimpses certainly showed he had what it takes to become an AFL footballer.
STRENGTHS
  • Kicking
  • Acceleration
  • X-factor
  • Versatility
Bonar is a player that many have asked about in the recent months such has been his rise up the ranks since returning from injury. He oozes X-factor, has elite acceleration and topped the charts with his vertical leap at the National Combine. He has all the raw traits to becoming a sensation and cult hero at the next level. It was hard for football followers not to get excited when a 189cm player who plays taller than he is, can run and jump like Bonar can. His kicking despite efficiency being poor in the TAC Cup, is rated as high as they come over long distances. His short kicking can sometimes miss targets, but as a whole, his kicking is a strength.
Based on his athletic traits alone, it is hard seeing him slip out of the second round, and some rumours have St Kilda considering him with one of their top 10 picks – a remarkable transformation from forgotten man to potential top 10 draftee. The other strength of Bonar’s that is often forgotten is his versatility. He played at both ends and through the middle at times in the TAC Cup, but seems to have the most impact as a half-forward. In the All Stars game he impressed through the midfield and will be much better for the run. At AFL level, expect him to play up forward before progressing into the midfield with time. While he was okay in defence, he did not have the same influence as when he was further down the ground.
IMPROVEMENTS
  • Endurance
  • Consistency
The two knocks for me are his endurance and his consistency. For all his exciting factors, he has to build his consistency. This of course will come with time and once his endurance base grows. One can hardly blame him given he has spent two years out of the game, but despite the obvious appeal towards Bonar it is worth remembering he still has areas he needs to develop. The other improvement Bonar needs to make is building his tank. It is no surprise again given he has missed two years out of the game, but his endurance is quite poor as it stands, which is why he mostly stayed forward or back in his matches with the Stingrays. His endurance results at the National Combine were in the bottom 12 across both the 2km time trial and yo-yo test. Again, it is an improvement which will come with time, but a reason why he is unlikely to play AFL football in the near future.
DRAFT PROJECTION: 7-20
SUMMARY
Aidan Bonar is a draft prospect that is hard not to get excited about. He fits the resurrection tag of coming from the forgotten lands of back-to-back knee reconstructions to impress recruiters in the second half of the season. He still has a long way to go in regards to playing senior AFL football, but he certainly has an athletic base which very few have. If he can buy in to the club that selects him’s program, then Bonar could become anything and could well be one of the better prospects out of this draft crop if he develops the way that many hope he can in the future.


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Not saying they play exactly the same, but the traits and potential narrative is consistent with A.Perkins.
I see Bonar as his bust potential. i.e. elite athlete but hasn't put it all together, huge ceiling.
Obviously it hasn't worked our for aiden
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Now I just feel bad for him. Peaked in the under 18s. Has showed almost none of those traits at AFL level.
 
Hawk the Talk said:
I feel like the work we’re doing on Perkins and others in that bracket is more to do with being prepared if an enticing offer comes from someone like the Bombers for our pick 4.

I just can’t see us taking Perkins over Hollands or either of the 3 talls.
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Again just my opinion but whoever gets Perkins is likely to delist him in two years time.
 
I’d much rather Holland’s then Perkins who I also rate but on pure footy ability Holland’s is the better prospect. Perkins potential is based of his athleticism which could let him down through injury then he is sort of stuck with no elite attributes/ could bust like aiden bonar who is a similar attributes type of player . Holland’s while he does have some decent athleticism he doesn’t rely heavily on it as he has the footy iq, doesn’t panic under pressure, gets through congestion with ease and is a beautiful kick on both feet. Happy with either but I’d just prefer Holland’s. Can’t wait for the draft!
 
HAWKSBESTEVA said:
I’d much rather Holland’s then Perkins who I also rate but on pure footy ability Holland’s is the better prospect. Perkins potential is based of his athleticism which could let him down through injury then he is sort of stuck with no elite attributes/ could bust like aiden bonar who is a similar attributes type of player . Holland’s while he does have some decent athleticism he doesn’t rely heavily on it as he has the footy iq, doesn’t panic under pressure, gets through congestion with ease and is a beautiful kick on both feet. Happy with either but I’d just prefer Holland’s. Can’t wait for the draft!
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I'm under the impression we probably don't expect Hollands to be available but happy to be wrong
 

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suburb whispers said:
Reason?
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He's has excellent athleticism, you could argue even the best in the draft. Without going into much detail (I've already posted his attributes in an earlier post) he's lazy, disinterested and unsure what to do on a football field. Skills wise his okay but has a fair bit of work to be AFL standard.
 
Hawk the Talk said:
I feel like the work we’re doing on Perkins and others in that bracket is more to do with being prepared if an enticing offer comes from someone like the Bombers for our pick 4.

I just can’t see us taking Perkins over Hollands or either of the 3 talls.
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That is my read too. I have to say I think Bombers have the perfect draft hand to take Perkins as that high risk high reward prospect. If he’s a bust, they have 2 other top 10 picks to go after the safer options.

As much as we desperately need a tall, Hollands just looks the best footballer in this draft to me and remains my preference
 
chopflop said:
To necessarily change course.

Did anyone listen to Thiltorpe on Road to the Draft?

What did you think?

To me, he came across as pretty down to earth, but not the most professional. Could be one of those uber-talented types who have never had to work as much as others because of his natural attributes.

I ask because when I listened to Phillips, it was like listening to a seasoned pro. His approach, philosophy etc just told you he will be one of the blokes driving standards at an AFL club, whereas Thilthorpe gave me the impression he will be one of those blokes who needs a kick up the ......

.....

The amount of interviews AFL clubs do these days and things like pysche profiling etc, tells me this might be a bigger factor in any selection than we give credence to on this board
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It swings both ways though. Not being the most professional at 17 doesn’t matter and may in fact be a good thing so long as the player is ambitious and coachable, of good character and capable of finding that professionalism within the AFL environment. It means there is scope for significant development. As I mentioned earlier in this thread, the guys who stand out for their dedication as teenagers (Scully, Ball etc) sometimes have less scope for development within the professional system. To me, your comments on Thilthorpe are not discouraging - with his natural tools if he is not fully applying himself to date, that means his scope for improvement is high. On the flip side, you don’t want a Jack Watts who just never cared
 
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Bugs1977 said:
How in the hell can you foresee Perkins delisted in 2 years time is laughable to me. Jeez you let fly some negative sh*t on here sometimes 😂
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Havent you seen his rankings?
I feel it would be unreasonable to question roby and his logic.
I honestly hope he can push Graeme Wright out the door and take Hawks list back to the top 🤮
 
chopflop said:
To necessarily change course.

Did anyone listen to Thiltorpe on Road to the Draft?

What did you think?

To me, he came across as pretty down to earth, but not the most professional. Could be one of those uber-talented types who have never had to work as much as others because of his natural attributes.

I ask because when I listened to Phillips, it was like listening to a seasoned pro. His approach, philosophy etc just told you he will be one of the blokes driving standards at an AFL club, whereas Thilthorpe gave me the impression he will be one of those blokes who needs a kick up the ......

.....

The amount of interviews AFL clubs do these days and things like pysche profiling etc, tells me this might be a bigger factor in any selection than we give credence to on this board

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Coincidentally this was published earlier today

https://www.hawthornfc.com.au/news/838779/inside-the-draft-room-as-recruiters-near-go-time

"One thing that is striking is the weight placed on interviews.

There’s an unwillingness to assign players a ranking until they have been interviewed, that process could transform where he sits in the scheme of things, for better or for worse.

If negative comments become too constant, there’s a swift move on to the next player."
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I actually thought the same. Listened to a few draftee interviews now and his was by far the least impressive.

Does that mean much though? Who knows.
 
chopflop said:
To necessarily change course.

Did anyone listen to Thiltorpe on Road to the Draft?

What did you think?

To me, he came across as pretty down to earth, but not the most professional. Could be one of those uber-talented types who have never had to work as much as others because of his natural attributes.

I ask because when I listened to Phillips, it was like listening to a seasoned pro. His approach, philosophy etc just told you he will be one of the blokes driving standards at an AFL club, whereas Thilthorpe gave me the impression he will be one of those blokes who needs a kick up the ......

.....

The amount of interviews AFL clubs do these days and things like pysche profiling etc, tells me this might be a bigger factor in any selection than we give credence to on this board

------
Coincidentally this was published earlier today

https://www.hawthornfc.com.au/news/838779/inside-the-draft-room-as-recruiters-near-go-time

"One thing that is striking is the weight placed on interviews.

There’s an unwillingness to assign players a ranking until they have been interviewed, that process could transform where he sits in the scheme of things, for better or for worse.

If negative comments become too constant, there’s a swift move on to the next player."
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I would say tour assessment of Phillips is spot on, I would rate Phillips as the most cerebral and level-headed player in the draft. He has the potential to become even better than Sam Mitchell due to his athleticism.

I'm surprised that it appears Thilthorpe is not professional. Was there particular things he said or was just his general attitude?
 
Roby said:
I've already explained in an another post why.
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Gary Rohan has eeked out a long career based on his athleticism alone. So long as he shows a semblance of professional commitment and his athleticism holds he will be retained on an afl list for a long time. This forum doesn’t have to be a competition for who can make take the most extreme position on a player.
 
Brishawk said:
Gary Rohan has eeked out a long career based on his athleticism alone. So long as he shows a semblance of professional commitment and his athleticism holds he will be retained on an afl list for a long time. This forum doesn’t have to be a competition for who can make take the most extreme position on a player.
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You've had time to see Gary Rohan for the best part of 10 years and you claiming he's eeked out a career in athleticism alone is either disingenuous or clueless. I guess everyone is prone to make mistakes so will let it slide as you hypocritically in the same sentence took the most extreme assessment on a player.
 
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