Unofficial Preview 2020 Draft Discussion

[jameses]

What I like from this draft haul is that we actually drafted players with elite attributes.

DGB with his marking and ability to play on all types of forwards.

Downie with his speed and kicking (and thighs).

Brockman and Mitchell with their speed, agility and creativity.

I feel like the last 5 years of drafting we have tended to go for players who are perhaps jack of all trades yet masters of none.

Players like Morrison who is a competent footballer but without any standout traits as a player. I am not having a crack at Harry but you get my point, what are his weapons as a player?

For me to make it in the AFL these days you need to have that one point of difference to build your game around (a bit like being drafted in the NBA). Otherwise you are probably just a really good VFL / SANFL / WAFL player.

To be fair, Morrison was a draft pick in the 70s. To get someone the caliber of Harry so late in the draft should be considered a win.

 

[Simon Crawshay]

To be fair, Morrison was a draft pick in the 70s. To get someone the caliber of Harry so late in the draft should be considered a win.

Yeh I am being a little unfair on Harry as you are correct that is a good result for a pick in the 70s.

But my general point is that when I look at our current side I see quite a few similar players to Morrison. Solid players who can execute a gameplan but don't really have the tools (ahtletically or skill wise) to hurt the opposition.

The 4 players we have drafted this year all have traits that can allow them to be damaging players (not saying they all will of course but the raw material is there)

 

[PAOKTSIS]

Solid draft haul. And as others have mentioned, we've picked up players with very specific elite attributes.

I do wonder why we didn't make the swap with North Melbourne if we really wanted Campbell (or Logan)? But I guess it may have affected our picks later in the draft which we didn't want happening.

I also wonder what this means for the like of Hanrahan, Moore and Morris with the drafting of Smitch & Brockman...

Hopefully we pick a ruckman with one of our selections today.

 

[DEECEE]

So how many of these picks are best 22 next year?

A lot of the enthusiasm washes off if we dont see them on the G until 2022.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Overlooked - The prospects hoping for a Rookie Draft lifeline

With the National Draft done and dusted, it is now time to look to the Rookie Draft which starts at midday, for those who missed out to get a chance.

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What’s left for Rookie Draft today.
For me would like to get Zavier Maher. We were linked to him in a few phantoms at our pick 24 (29).

Seems we might keep a spot open for mid season.

 

[HAWKSBESTEVA]

What’s everyone’s fascination with drafting another project ruck ? We already have reeves developing, probably have another 2 years of cegs and once his done reeves should be ready, plus if we really need another ruck for a stop gap it’s not hard to find a mature ruck like a Brooksby.

 

[On Topic]

What I like from this draft haul is that we actually drafted players with elite attributes.

DGB with his marking and ability to play on all types of forwards.

Downie with his speed and kicking (and thighs).

Brockman and Mitchell with their speed, agility and creativity.

I feel like the last 5 years of drafting we have tended to go for players who are perhaps jack of all trades yet masters of none.

Players like Morrison who is a competent footballer but without any standout traits as a player. I am not having a crack at Harry but you get my point, what are his weapons as a player?

For me to make it in the AFL these days you need to have that one point of difference to build your game around (a bit like being drafted in the NBA). Otherwise you are probably just a really good VFL / SANFL / WAFL player.

It really helps to pick up players with elite attributes when you are at the top end of the draft. Having a top-end key position prospect is really exciting though in particular! There are a couple good prospects we can go with should we elect to go in the rookie draft with Zane Trew/Zavier Maher (inside mid which fills a void there) and Max Heath (if we feel Reeves won't make it as a ruck).

Nonetheless I don't think we were trying to pick "jack of all trades" type of players. Hanrahan, Walker, Day, Worpel, Maginness and Jiath for example don't really fit that description.

 

[gianytee]

Very good draft in my opinion. The benchmark right now is Tigers and one thing they do really well is control the backline entries with their height and smarts (Balta, Astbury, Grimes, Broad & Vlaustin are all pretty tall) and they have serious speed in the FWD line who aren’t there to kick goals but pressure.

Hopefully in 2022 we would have DGB, Sicily, Scrimshaw, Hartigan/Kozi & Frost control the air only difference is outside of Hartigan all these guys can kick or rebound pretty well. And if we inject speed in the FWD line and hopefully Lewis comes along we may have a good FWD line.

Next years draft is loaded with X factor Mids that’s the draft we target Mids. As if we struggle again with Worpel, Mitchell, JOM, Cousins and Shiels I’m almost certain 2 of them will leave end of 21 most likely Shiels and one of TOM or JOM.

Only question marks would be rucks or Key Forward if Lewis doesn’t develop but one step at a time. Also believe Jeka may be a very good player in a few years.

 

[Brishawk]

What’s everyone’s fascination with drafting another project ruck ? We already have reeves developing, probably have another 2 years of cegs and once his done reeves should be ready, plus if we really need another ruck for a stop gap it’s not hard to find a mature ruck like a Brooksby.

McEvoy will be gone this year and an only part-time ruck so I can see the sense of grabbing another for the list but it can probably wait a year and try to find someone from this draft age who shows development or a mature ruck from another club. Always seems to be a few that move each year.

 

[H00t]

Denver looks a good pick up. Will certainly have a long career at hawthorn. First as a rebounding defender then hopefully will be able to gain enough strength to play FB or CHB. Similar to Day can play and will gain flexibility as his body develops.

If two of Morris, Brockman and S. Mitchell can become at least solid AFL players we’ve really cleaned up the last two years.

 

[jameses]

Very good draft in my opinion. The benchmark right now is Tigers and one thing they do really well is control the backline entries with their height and smarts (Balta, Astbury, Grimes, Broad & Vlaustin are all pretty tall) and they have serious speed in the FWD line who aren’t there to kick goals but pressure.

Hopefully in 2022 we would have DGB, Sicily, Scrimshaw, Hartigan/Kozi & Frost control the air only difference is outside of Hartigan all these guys can kick or rebound pretty well. And if we inject speed in the FWD line and hopefully Lewis comes along we may have a good FWD line.

Next years draft is loaded with X factor Mids that’s the draft we target Mids. As if we struggle again with Worpel, Mitchell, JOM, Cousins and Shiels I’m almost certain 2 of them will leave end of 21 most likely Shiels and one of TOM or JOM.

Only question marks would be rucks or Key Forward if Lewis doesn’t develop but one step at a time. Also believe Jeka may be a very good player in a few years.

Why would either Mitchell or O’Meara leave at the end of next year?

 

[Davo-27]

How would we rate what we picked up out of 10?

i would rate the draft over all as a 6.5/10 effort, got a great player in DGB, got a solid wing in Downie and added 2 speculative small forwards.

 

[Simon Crawshay]

Solid draft haul. And as others have mentioned, we've picked up players with very specific elite attributes.

I do wonder why we didn't make the swap with North Melbourne if we really wanted Campbell (or Logan)? But I guess it may have affected our picks later in the draft which we didn't want happening.

I also wonder what this means for the like of Hanrahan, Moore and Morris with the drafting of Smitch & Brockman...

Hopefully we pick a ruckman with one of our selections today.

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It really helps to pick up players with elite attributes when you are at the top end of the draft. Having a top-end key position prospect is really exciting though in particular! There are a couple good prospects we can go with should we elect to go in the rookie draft with Zane Trew/Zavier Maher (inside mid which fills a void there) and Max Heath (if we feel Reeves won't make it as a ruck).

Nonetheless I don't think we were trying to pick "jack of all trades" type of players. Hanrahan, Walker, Day, Worpel, Maginness and Jiath for example don't really fit that description.

As much as I love Worps and think he is a very good player (and one of my faves) he does kind of fit into the jack of all trades as he is more a very solid all round mid but doesn't really have explosive speed or eite skills.

Of the rest you mentioned Day and Maginess I agree with you but Hanrahan and Walker fit my description based on what I have seen of them so far.

CJ does have athletic ability however I have doubts on his overall footballing nous (much like Nash)

My point is I feel the last two years we have played football like a premier league team trying to get a nil all draw every week to avoid regulation to a lower division.

We need to start to take the game on like Richmond do and attack the opposition. To do that we need players with specific abilities.

Just like all the players in the 3 peat had very specific skill sets (Sam with his handball, Cyril with his tackling, Gibbo with his spoiling, etc)

 

[Mitchell Madness]

How much must north hate us?
2 yrs running we've poached their draft choice

 

[Davo-27]

some players who we could look at

Jackson Callow - KPF from tassie, great hands, i really like how he plays, i want him at the club, i think he would develop into a 2 goal a game KPF for us within a few years if given the opportunity, he is already a big guy which recruiters dont like, but he has the ability imo to play AFL footy

Brodie Lake - mid/sml forw from NT, played in the WAFL and SANFL the last 2 years at a good level, was NT zoned to GCS, but they didnt take him because they had a heap of talent already in the Academy and as i said he played WAFL and SANFL instead of in the GCS system, this year because of the new rule linking him to GCS through the NT zone, he decided to play good footy in the SANFL instead.

Jack Ginnivan - small forw who at times stays out of the contest, but its when he gets the footy things happen, similar to Breust, without the footy looks a bit disinterested, but when he has it or goes near it things happen, smart and skillful kid

Zac Dumesny - if you need a solid inside/outside mid who can go back or forw, he does well in all facets of the game, he isnt flashy, very reliable

Zane Trew - has been called out for his bad attitude recently, but has the ability to play mid get high poss and tackles

Oliver Davis - a contested mid which lacks attacking weapons, too similar to Worpel/T.Mitchell so probably not for us

Kaine Baldwin - 2 ACL's but when he is on the park plays very similarly to Jack Riewoldt, i would swear he is Jacks clone.

 

[CobberRodgers]

How much must north hate us?
2 yrs running we've poached their draft choice

How much must they have no idea what they're doing. Imagine letting Sydney have 2 cracks at the top 5.

 

[MrPremiership]

What time does it start?

12pm AEDST

 

[Hawk the Talk]

12pm AEDST

Cool, so I should catch the end of it when I finish work at 7pm.

 

[On Topic]

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As much as I love Worps and think he is a very good player (and one of my faves) he does kind of fit into the jack of all trades as he is more a very solid all round mid but doesn't really have explosive speed or eite skills.

Of the rest you mentioned Day and Maginess I agree with you but Hanrahan and Walker fit my description based on what I have seen of them so far.

CJ does have athletic ability however I have doubts on his overall footballing nous (much like Nash)

My point is I feel the last two years we have played football like a premier league team trying to get a nil all draw every week to avoid regulation to a lower division.

We need to start to take the game on like Richmond do and attack the opposition. To do that we need players with specific abilities.

Just like all the players in the 3 peat had very specific skill sets (Sam with his handball, Cyril with his tackling, Gibbo with his spoiling, etc)

I disagree with some of the first half but agree on the second half.

 

[Hawk the Talk]

Seems we might keep a spot open for mid season.

That would be smart!

 

[Simon Crawshay]

So how many of these picks are best 22 next year?

A lot of the enthusiasm washes off if we dont see them on the G until 2022.

I think DGB will be best 22 from round 1 (given he has already played senior footy in WA and the absence of Sicily for most of the year).

Downie probably not round 1 but he has an AFL ready body so I think he will play at some stage in 2021. Maybe even 10 or so games if he adjusts to the pace of AFL quickly.

Mitchell and Brockman not sure but we are not exactly blessed with high quality small forwards (Bruest excepted) at the moment so maybe a game or two at some stage?

 

[hawkdork83]

Stoked with DGB. I wanted one of him or McDonald at our pick and I think both have the smarts, character and work ethic to become guns. I am not a fan of these hybrid ruck/forward types and I really didn't want Tilthorpe. Hollands was too much of a risk coming off an ACL and Phillips is too safe for mine.

It's clearly far to early to make any judgements, but I am a bit uneasy on us taking Seamus Mitchell at pick 29. Feel this is far too early for a speculative pick such as this. This was only compounded by taking Brockman at 46, and Morris last year.

Given our lack of midfield depth, I am surprised we didn't take Poulter (30) or Carroll (41) here.

All in all, I am really confident in DGB and Downie. But I see the other two as speculative picks that along with Morris, we really need two of the three to make it in this rebuild. Fingers crossed.

 

[Bugs1977]

12pm AEDST

Could be 12am by the way things are going

 

[Bardo State]

We have a pick!

Jack Saunders

Nowhere to be seen in the 144 page Draft Central guide