Opinion 2020 Draft picks 1/9/22/23/40/56/66/80 (2021 + Melb 2nd, 4th, Haw 4th)

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KEY DATES

Oct 30 – Nov 6: AFL Free Agency Period
November 4 – 12: AFL Trade Period
November 20: List Lodgment 1
November 27: List Lodgment 2
November 30: AFL Draft Nominations close
w/c December 7: NAB AFL Draft and Rookie Draft (exact date to be confirmed in due course)
Mid-December: Final List Lodgment & TPP estimates​

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[hey shorty]

Q: Would Thilthorpe be in the discussion for #1 if he wasn't from SA? Would any club outside SA select him at #1?

We know that the club gives additional weighting to selecting players from SA, if they are in a group of similarly rated players. However, if the SA weighting is what's getting him into the group in the first place, then we shouldn't be selecting him.

My understanding, removing the SA factor, is that JUH is a clear #1, followed by Hollands & Logan (split only by whether you want KPF or a midfielder), with Thilthorpe in the next group back.

Thilthorpe is in most top 5 conversations

 

[hey shorty]

Mate that would be ideal.

I have deep concerns about Milera tbh. When he gets on the park he seems to overthink everything. Rabbit in the headlights stuff.

Left? Right? Left? Right? Bang.

Need a coach that will unburden him and give him really simple instructions/a licence to play.

Yep, this is his year where he either starts to realise his potential, or turns into James Aish

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Hopefully the new coaching structure helps a few guys in his sort of situation.

 

[mattymac]

Yep, this is his year where he either starts to realise his potential, or turns into James Aish

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Hopefully the new coaching structure helps a few guys in his sort of situation.

Has all the talent. I was a big fan of drafting him. He's just not a naturally confident/composed type under bulk pressure.

Need to keep things simple with him to take away as many potential problems as possible.

I find it telling that, to my mind, his first spell of games was where we saw him best displaying his ability. Dancing around all comers and opening his own candy shop.

Since then he seems to doubt himself as all the added layers of game plan rules etc have piled on.

 

[hey shorty]

Has all the talent. I was a big fan of drafting him. He's just not a naturally confident/composed type under bulk pressure.

Need to keep things simple with him to take away as many potential problems as possible.

I find it telling that, to my mind, his first spell of games was where we saw him best displaying his ability. Dancing around all comers and opening his own candy shop.

Since then he seems to doubt himself as all the added layers of game plan rules etc have piled on.

Agreed, he just needs to be given minimal instruction and just play on instinct.

 

[Thetrader15]

Mutineer, we obviously need another 250 game skinny outside mid who will only ever get 15-17 touches and really never have an impact on the game.

Who do you suggest?

 

[Thetrader15]

Can we still delist any contracted players to improve our draft. Eg Davis, Seedsman. I feel they will get limited time if any.

E.g. MacKay?

 

[Thetrader15]

What I'm saying is what we think will in the end have no influence on whoever we may take so why push one way or the other when it comes to mids or forwards...For the record I'm all for mids and mid/forwards that have speed, acceleration from the contest and a degree of versatility....acceleration the No.1 ingredient.

Hence Eddie Ford?

 

[Hodgy]

Q: Would Thilthorpe be in the discussion for #1 if he wasn't from SA? Would any club outside SA select him at #1?

We know that the club gives additional weighting to selecting players from SA, if they are in a group of similarly rated players. However, if the SA weighting is what's getting him into the group in the first place, then we shouldn't be selecting him.

My understanding, removing the SA factor, is that JUH is a clear #1, followed by Hollands & Logan (split only by whether you want KPF or a midfielder), with Thilthorpe in the next group back.

Putting an SA weighting is all well and good with a normal pick, but you can’t do it with pick 1. its Just too important to do that with.
‘at the very least if we desperately want Tillthorpe, then we should trade down to get him. Don’t take him with pick 1 when no one else would.

 

[Scorpus]

Has all the talent. I was a big fan of drafting him. He's just not a naturally confident/composed type under bulk pressure.

Need to keep things simple with him to take away as many potential problems as possible.

I find it telling that, to my mind, his first spell of games was where we saw him best displaying his ability. Dancing around all comers and opening his own candy shop.

Since then he seems to doubt himself as all the added layers of game plan rules etc have piled on.

Shoving him all over the park instead of letting him settle in one position, largely to facilitate Mackay, has really hurt him

 

[Brett Cummings]

Trading with the Swans would make a LOT of sense, if we don't want McDonald.

We're still guaranteed one of Hollands and Thilthorpe, plus whatever upgrades we get for the trade.

If we don't want McDonald, it's almost foolish to NOT trade down.

one of the few times I agree with you. picking thilthorpe at 1 is a waste of a pick.

 

[mattymac]

Shoving him all over the park instead of letting him settle in one position, largely to facilitate Mackay, has really hurt him

Don't get me started. I'm trying to have positive AFC day

 

[WeedsMullet84]

It was Campo...

We've got half of a starting 18 right there.

You need to just let it go


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[Mutineer]

You need to just let it go


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It's you that needs to let it go not me....

you keep up the good fight though.

 

[FAITH]

Q: Would Thilthorpe be in the discussion for #1 if he wasn't from SA? Would any club outside SA select him at #1?

We know that the club gives additional weighting to selecting players from SA, if they are in a group of similarly rated players. However, if the SA weighting is what's getting him into the group in the first place, then we shouldn't be selecting him.

My understanding, removing the SA factor, is that JUH is a clear #1, followed by Hollands & Logan (split only by whether you want KPF or a midfielder), with Thilthorpe in the next group back.

I don't fully agree with this.
I think JUH and McDonald is pretty close.
Hollands, Phillips and DGB next up not much between those 3.
Thilthorpe next.

 

[Chase13]

Ford is the man we should be targeting with start second round picks. Gonna be a gun. Inside outside, height, great aerially for contested mark, tackling machine and hits the scoreboard. Same kind of game as Holland’s, just not class of Holland’s.

if we miss out on Holland’s and get Tilly or Logan, ford would be a nice consolation pick

myself my gut says either tilthorpe or Holland’s will slide outside top 5. Holland’s for mine with acl.

 

[Mutineer]

Hence Eddie Ford?

There's a shedload of possibilities, just off the top of my head Elijah Hollands, Archie Perkins, Eddie Ford, Zavier Maher, Caleb Poulter, Nathan O'Driscoll Jack Carroll..... all have above average pace , good acceleration and good versatility in their kit bag.

 

[AdelaideFan14]

1 + 22 to Essendon for 6 + 7 + 8
6 + 23 to Hawthorn for 4
9 + 40 to Collingwood for 14 + 16

4 Thilthorpe
7 Perkins
8 Bruhn
14 Ford
16 Poulter

Thoughts?

 

[mattymac]

Agree Holland’s is the star, however Macrae is getting no love, and he is brilliant on both feet and looks a clone of his brother who just made all Australian.
Is the drop off from Holland’s to MacRae/Bruhn less than McDonald/Tillthorpe to any other talls.

Best off asking Mutineer about the drop off in talls. DGB will be gone by pick 9. I'm not up to date on much past that.

Imo we're best off speculating on talls with later picks. Not too many pick 1 talls have cut the mustard in recent times after levelling up from juniors.

So many variables around how their bodies change and if they can continue to bully their way. Even with those that played in men's leagues like the SA and WA kids there are still questions if they can translate that open semi-amateur form to a frantic, tight, closed up professional game against the biggest and best defenders in the land.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

He did. Said we add a weighting to SA talent followed by a few buts...

Then said we also need to consider balance.

Which I took to mean the gaping hole in our midfield.

How difficult is it to get a high quality big bodied mid ? ......the 180cm mids are easily obtained, but not our need

Hollands is a playmaker, an extrovert ..... a player that will win tight games, because he wants to be "the man"

This is his POD over McDonald and Thilthorpe .......yeah, call it "X" Factor

 

[Hodgy]

1 + 22 to Essendon for 6 + 7 + 8
6 + 23 to Hawthorn for 4
9 + 40 to Collingwood for 14 + 16

4 Thilthorpe
7 Perkins
8 Bruhn
14 Ford
16 Poulter

Thoughts?

Pretty good, certainly creative pick swaps that are all feasible. Personally would take a few different players, especially Perkins and Poulter, but happy with that overall.

 

[GrommoT]

There is a valid reason to retain Mackay for 1 more year due to Covid. The reduction of the coaching panel(AFL decision) will allow them to utilise the great rapport Macca has with the younger players in an unofficial coaching(support) role.Plus, Crows have a shortage of experienced players right now. This was flagged by Campo on ABC Radio weeks ago.

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[hey shorty]

Best off asking Mutineer about the drop off in talls. DGB will be gone by pick 9. I'm not up to date on much past that.

Imo we're best off speculating on talls with later picks. Not too many pick 1 talls have cut the mustard in recent times after levelling up from juniors.

So many variables around how their bodies change and if they can continue to bully their way. Even with those that played in men's leagues like the SA and WA kids there are still questions if they can translate that open semi-amateur form to a frantic, tight, closed up professional game against the biggest and best defenders in the land.

Going tall with pick 1 is a risk most certainly, but the strikerate high in the draft is getting better with tall forwards. Patton and McCartin obviously ruined with injury, Watts had career befitting of a late first rounder, Boyd almost singlehandedly won a flag for his side and of course NicNat

Then you've got the others who went high like the King's, Luko, and hopefully McAsey.

Next year's draft is shaping up as the one to load up with midfielders, and we are likely to be at the pointy end again.

 

[King Elvis]

Anyone care to look back at our Draft picks over the last few years, and make a case that we should be optimistic about things?

 

[mattymac]

How difficult is it to get a high quality big bodied mid ? ......the 180cm mids are easily obtained, but not our need

Hollands is a playmaker, an extrovert ..... a player that will win tight games, because he wants to be "the man"

This is his POD over McDonald and Thilthorpe .......yeah, call it "X" Factor

He's the type with potential to lift a team on his shoulders and get the crowd going mental.

 

[King Elvis]

News - Mackay re-signs for 2021 + Gallucci, Poholke, Crocker delisted

A career where he averages 9 kicks and 8 handballs a season isnt a great career- those are 1-2-3 year player numbers . His best year by average was 2018 - 10 years after he started when he managed an amazing 10.6 kicks and 6 handballs to - oh wait - again average 17 disposals. He is flat out...

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