Opinion 2020 Draft picks 1/9/22/23/40/56/66/80 (2021 + Melb 2nd, 4th, Haw 4th)

[Deaneus!]

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KEY DATES

Oct 30 – Nov 6: AFL Free Agency Period
November 4 – 12: AFL Trade Period
November 20: List Lodgment 1
November 27: List Lodgment 2
November 30: AFL Draft Nominations close
w/c December 7: NAB AFL Draft and Rookie Draft (exact date to be confirmed in due course)
Mid-December: Final List Lodgment & TPP estimates​

As God is my witness, finding anything useful on the AFL.com.au site is practically impossible, may whoever designed it burn in hell.

 

[Mutineer]

Does anyone have access to a decent highlights package on the SA kid Cook? I just realised I’ve never actually seen him kick a Sherrin.

I heard a whisper the other day that he may be a late bolter come draft night

He's not a bolter, he's had a very good SANFL campaign in 2020, he's definitely in the top 3 or 4 SA talents. Contested ground ball is the question perhaps, excellent overhead for his size. Just remember : Highlight reels..

 

[Crow Envy]

Still didn't make them any more successful.

Zero impact on their club's fortunes

That’s because a club requires more than one good player....

 

[Hodgy]

Thilthorpe ended up playing most of the season in ruck which he isn’t ideally a primary ruckman.

OK, then which is it?
I say I see him as primarily a ruckman and get howled down by people pointing out
why did West play him almost exclusively as a forward then, and when I point to figures pointing out that he didn’t excel as a key forward, people say that’s because he was always in ruck.

for the record I think Parella played 80-90% of the time in ruck for Westies.

 

[Mutineer]

That’s because a club requires more than one good player....

Kreuzer without his shocking history of injuries would have been absolute star of the AFL.
Testament to his courage that he kept coming back after so many injuries and still managed to eke out a decent career.

 

[StonesThrow]

Kreuzer without his shocking history of injuries would have been absolute star of the AFL.
Testament to his courage that he kept coming back after so many injuries and still managed to eke out a decent career.

Yeah I think people forget just how good he was when he was fit. Lifted their side dramatically.

That being said, I like him as a forward for the Crows. Having the flexibility to go in the ruck is just a bonus. Flexibility is pretty important in today's game.

 

[StonesThrow]

That’s because a club requires more than one good player....

That's like saying we shouldn't take a Cripps like mid cos he hasn't given Carlton any success.

 

[rabidcrow]

Draft Central rate him exactly where I do. Pick 6


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And yet I think it’s odds on we take him


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[rabidcrow]

rubbish.
Kruezer was much stronger than Thilthorpe ever will be.
Kruezer was a warrior.

Need to chill a bit mate. Making big statements about an 18yr old and his future capabilities. From what I have seen of him - and yes only highlights and game snippets - but he attacks the contest harder than McDonald, a genuine contested player

You write like he is not going to develop further - 200cm ,100kg has grunt , great stamina , quick for his size and can kick both sides

Not a lot to not like


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[Maggsy]

Surprised to read that Crows are considering only using 4 picks in the draft this year.

How many picks will your club use at the NAB AFL Draft?

Clubs are deciding how many selections they will use at next month's intake of players

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I would have thought 6 would be more likely;
3 live selections + Newchurch, Edwards and Borlase.

For mine, even if we take 5, it screams that one of those academy/FS kids aren't coming in - guessing it's Edwards sadly.

Other alternative is that we are going to trade picks 9, 22 + 23 for a combination of top 7 pick in 2020 and a future 1st rounder for 2021. and then only use those two top ten picks in this years draft, loading up for next season and then take academy/FS kids this year (2-3)

Alot to play out.

 

[FAITH]

Need to chill a bit mate. Making big statements about an 18yr old and his future capabilities. From what I have seen of him - and yes only highlights and game snippets - but he attacks the contest harder than McDonald, a genuine contested player

You write like he is not going to develop further - 200cm ,100kg has grunt , great stamina , quick for his size and can kick both sides

Not a lot to not like


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I mean the whole point of watching draftees is trying to predict what they will become based on watching them.
solely being 200cm and 100kg doesnt mean much.

i do like him, but not in the top 3.

 

[Crow Envy]

Surprised to read that Crows are considering only using 4 picks in the draft this year.

How many picks will your club use at the NAB AFL Draft?

Clubs are deciding how many selections they will use at next month's intake of players

www.afl.com.au

I would have thought 6 would be more likely;
3 live selections + Newchurch, Edwards and Borlase.

For mine, even if we take 5, it screams that one of those academy/FS kids aren't coming in - guessing it's Edwards sadly.

Other alternative is that we are going to trade picks 9, 22 + 23 for a combination of top 7 pick in 2020 and a future 1st rounder for 2021. and then only use those two top ten picks in this years draft, loading up for next season and then take academy/FS kids this year (2-3)

Alot to play out.

Again makes the Mackay extension baffling. We have to use our first four picks. Pick 40 is likely to be used on Borlase. Newchurch could be a rookie and Edwards I doubt, isnt it tomorrow that a decision needs to be made on him?

We could also trade up, but I wouldnt want 23/23 being used on just a small pick upgrade in the teens.

 

[Disco Fox]

Thilthorpe ended up playing most of the season in ruck which he isn’t ideally a primary ruckman.

No he didn't - he only played 2 games as the key ruck because Andre Parrella was out. He has a lot to learn about ruck work as he only got 18 hit outs in each of those games. Parrella, as a comparison, usually gets approx 35 hitouts!!

 

[Disco Fox]

Again makes the Mackay extension baffling. We have to use our first four picks. Pick 40 is likely to be used on Borlase. Newchurch could be a rookie and Edwards I doubt, isnt it tomorrow that a decision needs to be made on him?

We could also trade up, but I wouldnt want 23/23 being used on just a small pick upgrade in the teens.

Maybe Crows don't rate all three of them?

 

[Vader]

Surprised to read that Crows are considering only using 4 picks in the draft this year.

How many picks will your club use at the NAB AFL Draft?

Clubs are deciding how many selections they will use at next month's intake of players

www.afl.com.au

I would have thought 6 would be more likely;
3 live selections + Newchurch, Edwards and Borlase.

For mine, even if we take 5, it screams that one of those academy/FS kids aren't coming in - guessing it's Edwards sadly.

Other alternative is that we are going to trade picks 9, 22 + 23 for a combination of top 7 pick in 2020 and a future 1st rounder for 2021. and then only use those two top ten picks in this years draft, loading up for next season and then take academy/FS kids this year (2-3)

Alot to play out.

Why are you surprised?

It's been obvious for a while now that we weren't going to take all of the NGA & F/S kids in the ND, and may not even take some of them at all. I won't be surprised if Borlase is the only one who ends up on an AFC list next year. Just because we can take them, doesn't mean that we should or will.

Adelaide has gone 2 players short on the senior list for years now, mainly for salary cap reasons. The mid-season drafts and the pre-season supplemental selection period both provide additional incentives for not having full senior lists.

 

[Crow Envy]

Maybe Crows don't rate all three of them?

Thats why I said Borlase, then rookie and not at all.

If we don't find Borlase worthy of selecting I would be very surprised.

 

[Golumless]

Surprised to read that Crows are considering only using 4 picks in the draft this year.

How many picks will your club use at the NAB AFL Draft?

Clubs are deciding how many selections they will use at next month's intake of players

www.afl.com.au

I would have thought 6 would be more likely;
3 live selections + Newchurch, Edwards and Borlase.

For mine, even if we take 5, it screams that one of those academy/FS kids aren't coming in - guessing it's Edwards sadly.

Other alternative is that we are going to trade picks 9, 22 + 23 for a combination of top 7 pick in 2020 and a future 1st rounder for 2021. and then only use those two top ten picks in this years draft, loading up for next season and then take academy/FS kids this year (2-3)

Alot to play out.

it read like they were talking about live selections, and not NGA bids (outside of it dictating how many live selections are taken).

Mind you, its a very good chance Edwards and Newchurch make it through to the rookie draft/Cat B, seeing how little picks most teams seem to want to use.

 

[Deaneus!]

Kreuzer without his shocking history of injuries would have been absolute star of the AFL.

Disagree.



More disposals, more marks, and 50% more hitouts (!)

Let's look at the Brownlow, for a laugh. 6 x 3 points, 1 x 2, 7 x 1, for 27 votes. Over 189 games, he polled 14 times.



Lachie Neale got 10 x 3 votes, 1 x 1, for 31 votes. Over 17 games, he polled 11 times (this year).

Not fair comparing a midfielder? Let's try Goldstein again.



Same point in his career, about 189 games, Todd had twice as many votes.

People need to face the fact that Kreuzer just wasn't great for a #1 pick. It's another gaslight by Carlton supporters and the wider media to proclaim him as amazing, so they don't have to admit they wasted another #1 pick when the 2007 AFL draft went like this:



Finally, if you're wondering why a team with a priority pick has no other picks, this is the year Carlton swapped Josh Kennedy, pick 3 and pick 20 for Chris Judd (and pick 46). So, they could have kept Kennedy, and had two other guys in that list as well, *along with* their priority pick. Absolute waste.

Also, i think the #1 pick is clear:

Spoiler

 

[Disco Fox]

Waynes on to something here!

Listen to today's Road to the Draft podcast with Swan's head recruiter Kinnear Beatson.

Rates the the draft as: "STRONG"

Swans are trying to get to the bottom of Thilthorpe's injury. If the Crows want to flip trade our first next year to move up, they have my blessing (eg. 5 for 9 with a flip of 2021 first with GC).

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Thanks for the heads up. Just listened to it myself & he's fascinating - great sense of humour. Yes, he made it clear their medicos are carefully assessing Thilthorpe's groin issues. He also said that they would/might bid on JUH as they rate him as clearly the standout in this draft.

 

[Thetrader15]

Surprised to read that Crows are considering only using 4 picks in the draft this year.

How many picks will your club use at the NAB AFL Draft?

Clubs are deciding how many selections they will use at next month's intake of players

www.afl.com.au

I would have thought 6 would be more likely;
3 live selections + Newchurch, Edwards and Borlase.

For mine, even if we take 5, it screams that one of those academy/FS kids aren't coming in - guessing it's Edwards sadly.

Other alternative is that we are going to trade picks 9, 22 + 23 for a combination of top 7 pick in 2020 and a future 1st rounder for 2021. and then only use those two top ten picks in this years draft, loading up for next season and then take academy/FS kids this year (2-3)

Alot to play out.

Make the decision to sign MacKay before the draft even more confusing.

The other thing it does is tell clubs we are really keen to trade 2 picks, meaning we start on the back foot with the negotiation from the get go.

 

[Crow till I die]

Make the decision to sign MacKay before the draft even more confusing.

The other thing it does is tell clubs we are really keen to trade 2 picks, meaning we start on the back foot with the negotiation from the get go.

Yes and no, yes because clubs know those picks are on the market but also no, because those picks still hold defined value and if more than 1 club is seeking them, then it will drive a bidding war for that/ those picks. Ultimately if they go to the draft with those picks, it will come down to which clubs might see a player at that spot they are keen to trade picks for

 

[Sanders]

We need quality midfielders, so I’m assuming we’ll draft Thilthorpe & Zach Reid

 

[Fivel_79]

I love a hypothetical pick trade but it’s hard to see the motivation for others to help us trade up... but now that I’ve got time on my hands today so here are my thoughts.

Essendon is the big road block as it’s hard to see them parting with 6/7/8. I’d expect they’d want 9 and our future first (which should absolutely be off limits).

They’re predicted to use as little as 4 picks and their 4th pick is Pick 40, so may be tempted by Pick 9 and 22... but again, difficult to see them accepting that for Pick 6 if one of the “5” slides and pick 7/8 doesn’t benefit us greatly unless we have a clear favourite player that we don’t want to risk missing.

Gold Coast may only use one pick and could be willing to trade down to pick 9 if they feel the next batch of players are fairly even. Pick 9 and a future second for 5 and a later 2020 pick that they won’t use? Unlikely but they’d be aiming for a better season in 2021 and may want to have some insurance if the AFL rolls back their assistance package which they will review next year.

Collingwood with Pick 14 or 16 seems the most likely trading partner for points if an early bid comes in for Reef McInnes.

If we can’t move up in 2020, it’d be a very Adelaide to try to move 22/23 to team expecting to be at the pointy end next year for a 2021 1st or more likely a 2nd round pick.

 

[Sanders]

What shop did you get your crystal ball from? I’d like to get one

Faith is a fantasist. Very unlikely he’s ever seen any of these players

pulls the same trick every year. Just recycles other people’s stuff with a little Mayo on top

no one takes him seriously

 

[The Smith Revolution]

Also listened to Kinnear on RTTD. He doubled down the Thilthorpe line too with an assertion that ruck options are rare throughout the AFL, both in the system and outside. He also stated that we are open to trading pick 1. He rates Tanner Bruhn as a top six pick. Kinnear speaks so well as well and you can see why he is in the upper echelon of what he does.

I am a glass half full human, but when I step back, everything I hear tells me we make things too easy for the other clubs as we constantly telegraph our position/strategy. This empties my Crows glass.

 

[Chase13]

Also listened to Kinnear on RTTD. He doubled down the Thilthorpe line too with an assertion that ruck options are rare throughout the AFL, both in the system and outside. He also stated that we are open to trading pick 1. He rates Tanner Bruhn as a top six pick. Kinnear speaks so well as well and you can see why he is in the upper echelon of what he does.

I am a glass half full human, but when I step back, everything I hear tells me we make things too easy for the other clubs as we constantly telegraph our position/strategy. This empties my Crows glass.

He did not mention philips at all hmmm. He did same last year with Dylan Stevens, and guess who he selected. I think he will pick philips. Also get Impression that Hollands will slide. And he must heard whispers we r open to trading pick 1 if bigg offer