Resource 2020 Draft Watch (picks 1, 9, 20, 30, 45, 50, 60, 74) - updated R17 15/9/20

[Deaneus!]

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[Murray2503]

I can confirm that Reid tried this tactic with almost all the players. He went hard on the lowball offers and managed to absolutely p!ss off a number of players. Some left, some are still there, but all are pissed. The offer to Lyons was an embarrassment.

Reid is a bloody idiot. Shouldn't be employed at the club. Another great Riccuito decision.

 

[Chase13]

thilthorpe is the obvious forward who we'll draft. the worrying part is the midfielder we pick. phllips or hollands. I know hollands has done an acl. whether that effects his future who tf knows.

Will be neither pick 2 will be either Bruhn ( Cotchin ) odriscal or Zane drew. Personally myself I pick another forward McDonald but going mid I go o Driscoll compares to Elliot yo. Holland will slide and too risky at 2 and Phillips absolute flight risk As another set picks tilthorpe o Driscoll Callow( but take Holland if slides to gws pick ) few choices and options maybe even pair up odriscal and drew if get both who both formed wa midfield with ronin occonor

 

[hey shorty]

take DMAC money and give it to CC, simple

Still wouldn't have been enough.

 

[craig crowing]

Cant believe it the carry on about only getting pick 12 for Cameron and the ridicule of Reid over this and other trades maybe didn't get exactly what could have got , but not far off if he didn't.
Yet in a super draft with 2 first round picks plus for first time we pick Jones and how and why did we follow that pick in getting another small in McHenry who really only great feature was he was a energiser bunny .
Just hate watching other teams especially Power and watch kids dominate and those 2 cant get a touch and when need to rebuild you have to get those top picks right. Yet Hamish still revered on this site and obviously by club .

 

[hey shorty]

Cant believe it the carry on about only getting pick 12 for Cameron and the ridicule of Reid over this and other trades maybe didn't get exactly what could have got , but not far off if he didn't.
Yet in a super draft with 2 first round picks plus for first time we pick Jones and how and why did we follow that pick in getting another small in McHenry who really only great feature was he was a energiser bunny .
Just hate watching other teams especially Power and watch kids dominate and those 2 cant get a touch and when need to rebuild you have to get those top picks right. Yet Hamish still revered on this site and obviously by club .

I shouldn't bite but....... You've got absolutely no idea do you ??

 

[Golumless]

Cant believe it the carry on about only getting pick 12 for Cameron and the ridicule of Reid over this and other trades maybe didn't get exactly what could have got , but not far off if he didn't.
Yet in a super draft with 2 first round picks plus for first time we pick Jones and how and why did we follow that pick in getting another small in McHenry who really only great feature was he was a energiser bunny .
Just hate watching other teams especially Power and watch kids dominate and those 2 cant get a touch and when need to rebuild you have to get those top picks right. Yet Hamish still revered on this site and obviously by club .

It's much harder for a kid to light up for a side who is 0-8 and a <60% then it is for mid table +. Especially one whose coaching is just a shambolic husk of a football side.

We're in the pits for a reason and it's the support network just isn't there. Both Jones and McHenry are going to need a fair bit of patience and careful management to make it. Even Hamill/McPherson are going to need that.

Olgivile has a good record. He, like all drafters, can't work miracles often. We're set up that we are reliant on miracles.

 

[Brett Cummings]

Will be neither pick 2 will be either Bruhn ( Cotchin ) odriscal or Zane drew. Personally myself I pick another forward McDonald but going mid I go o Driscoll compares to Elliot yo. Holland will slide and too risky at 2 and Phillips absolute flight risk As another set picks tilthorpe o Driscoll Callow( but take Holland if slides to gws pick ) few choices and options maybe even pair up odriscal and drew if get both who both formed wa midfield with ronin occonor

any interstate player would be a flight risk. you just have to back your clubs culture and hopefully they dont want to leave. im pretty confident nicks is the right coach to build a good culture.

 

[jirkago]

It's much harder for a kid to light up for a side who is 0-8 and a
We're in the pits for a reason and it's the support network just isn't there. Both Jones and McHenry are going to need a fair bit of patience and careful management to make it. Even Hamill/McPherson are going to need that.

Olgivile has a good record. He, like all drafters, can't work miracles often. We're set up that we are reliant on miracles.

Good call, also how can any of our kids show more when our senior player are playing crap. The difference is our senior midfielders like the crouches and Sloane are completely out of form. The coaches set ups aren’t working and we are always chasing tail.

We really needed to keep one of CEY or Greenwood to be that big bodied mid.

It’s no surprise that Hamill is the only one showing anything because the ball is stuck in our defence.

If Hately is a big bodied mid, then let’s get him for a mid second rounder. If he’s a winger, we don’t really need him as he doesn’t fit our needs


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[FR0GGY]

It's much harder for a kid to light up for a side who is 0-8 and a <60% then it is for mid table +. Especially one whose coaching is just a shambolic husk of a football side.

We're in the pits for a reason and it's the support network just isn't there. Both Jones and McHenry are going to need a fair bit of patience and careful management to make it. Even Hamill/McPherson are going to need that.

Olgivile has a good record. He, like all drafters, can't work miracles often. We're set up that we are reliant on miracles.

We finished 1 position and 5% away from port last year.
It’s a combination of not playing them early enough and them not being as good. Imo

 

[Mego Red]

Wasn't the offer to Lyons actually less or even on the small contract than what he was currently on and that was after a breakout season?

I'm not sure he'd had a breakout season.

 

[Mego Red]

That kid Mitch Georgiades looking alright too eh Kristof?

Lol - I had nothing against Georgiadis. Just thought it was early for a tall forward who'd missed a year and had no exposed form. I'd be surprised to see Baldwin go that early as well.

 

[Crow till I die]

thilthorpe is the obvious forward who we'll draft. the worrying part is the midfielder we pick. phllips or hollands. I know hollands has done an acl. whether that effects his future who tf knows.

Again..i'd be waiting before declaring who we take out of phillips or hollands as we dont have pick 2 and b crouch is still a crow. We may end up with neither hollands or phillips and have b crouch with us for a few more years

 

[Crow till I die]

Question for mutineer. Looking at how things stand do you think we got it wrong taking jones ahead of caldwell in 2018?

 

[WeedsMullet84]

I think some teams in the top 8 and bottom of the ladder are pretty much cemented in, right?

Top 8
Port Adelaide
Brisbane
Richmond
Geelong
Saint Kilda
West Coast

Bottom of the ladder
Adelaide
North Melb
Fremantle
Hawthorn
Sydney
Melbourne

This leaves Essendon, Bulldogs, Collingwood, Gold Coast, Carlton and GWS in the middle of the table.

IMO Collingwood too good not to make it into the 8, but who drops out?

MASSIVE few weeks for GWS. Their fixture is, unsurprisingly, pretty well set up for them over the next 4 matches, even when they have to go to WA it's after their BYE round, and they only have to face Sydney.

The Gold Coast v GWS game this weekend has a fair bit riding on it i think. It will do much to shift my opinion on whether Gold Coast taper off as we head towards the end of the season (which i think they will) and whether GWS start to push for their spot inside the top 8. If GC can get a win i think this heaps pressure on GWS going into the Essendon game the week after.

 

[jackster83]

We finished 1 position and 5% away from port last year.
It’s a combination of not playing them early enough and them not being as good. Imo

Port have a much stronger football department than us, including development coaches and an excellent fitness program. Hinkley is a spud but they've at least given him the resources he needs.

Meanwhile we've surrounded a first year, first time coach with Hart, Godden and Hass.

Our young defenders are fortunate that they've got Talia and Doedee to learn from. Those two are outstanding with their leadership. Unfortunately our senior players in other parts of the ground don't provide one iota of leadership, with the exception of Tex.

 

[DJ75]

He can’t have been doing it to almost all players. The money must be going somewhere

It did. Jenkins. Sloane. Gibbs etc...
We overpaid players past their peak, as we have been doing for a long time, whilst underpaying our youth. Then we are shocked that our youth leave for better offers...

 

[Eagleboy2011]

Cant believe it the carry on about only getting pick 12 for Cameron and the ridicule of Reid over this and other trades maybe didn't get exactly what could have got , but not far off if he didn't.
Yet in a super draft with 2 first round picks plus for first time we pick Jones and how and why did we follow that pick in getting another small in McHenry who really only great feature was he was a energiser bunny .
Just hate watching other teams especially Power and watch kids dominate and those 2 cant get a touch and when need to rebuild you have to get those top picks right. Yet Hamish still revered on this site and obviously by club .

Not by all

 

[DJ75]

Wasn't the offer to Lyons actually less or even on the small contract than what he was currently on and that was after a breakout season?

Thi is correct. Lyons had started to crack the team and was playing reasonably well. We offered him a new contract that was not only below what he was currently on, but was actually significantly lower (it was close to rookie list level). Essentially we forced him out.

So if we look back at our list management decisions, we have had on our list mids that included Lyons, CEY & Greenwood. We effectively forced them all out. I wonder if one or two of them might have been handy at the moment?

 

[DJ75]

Reid is a bloody idiot. Shouldn't be employed at the club. Another great Riccuito decision.

Just remember that Reid and Roo have been mates for a long time.
How Roo can justify staying at the club is absolutely beyond me. Every decision he has made has been about his 'mates' and everyone has been a disaster.
I said to my Port supporter mate last night that it is a matter of time before Goodwin gets sacked from Melbourne and Roo employs him as our Senior Assistant. You just know it will happen.

 

[SaltPeter]

Just remember that Reid and Roo have been mates for a long time.
How Roo can justify staying at the club is absolutely beyond me. Every decision he has made has been about his 'mates' and everyone has been a disaster.
I said to my Port supporter mate last night that it is a matter of time before Goodwin gets sacked from Melbourne and Roo employs him as our Senior Assistant. You just know it will happen.

Melbourne might be stuck with Goodwin a bit longer. His current contract runs through until the end of 2022. Collingwood are looking like they made the right decision to move Gary Pert on.

 

[Murray2503]

Just remember that Reid and Roo have been mates for a long time.
How Roo can justify staying at the club is absolutely beyond me. Every decision he has made has been about his 'mates' and everyone has been a disaster.
I said to my Port supporter mate last night that it is a matter of time before Goodwin gets sacked from Melbourne and Roo employs him as our Senior Assistant. You just know it will happen.

My hope is that we attract a decent chairman who sends Roo on his way shortly along with a few others. The untouchable post club great of the club card can only be used for so long after numerous ****ups. Goodwin will be sacked this year most likely. Could see last year he wasn't cut out for it. Not many are but he definitely isn't one of them.

 

[Tex200]

It's much harder for a kid to light up for a side who is 0-8 and a <60% then it is for mid table +. Especially one whose coaching is just a shambolic husk of a football side.

We're in the pits for a reason and it's the support network just isn't there. Both Jones and McHenry are going to need a fair bit of patience and careful management to make it. Even Hamill/McPherson are going to need that.

Olgivile has a good record. He, like all drafters, can't work miracles often. We're set up that we are reliant on miracles.

His record is ok, certainly a long way off being untouchable as many here seem to think.

Port in particular are way ahead of us at talent ID. Richmond played 10 kids under 30 games the other night.

Other teams are getting in kids and they’re doing way better than ours. Of course our experienced players being useless doesn’t help, neither does a 4th rate coaching staff.

And I know everyone goes on about time and sure patience with a lot of kids is required, but crap, look at Giorgiadis. 3 games and 6 goals. 3 last night. A lot of kids look at home straight away. And he’s just 1. How many of Ports kids just slot straight in?

We have 2. Hamill and Moose.

The burner should be right up both Reid and Hamish much more than it is.

 

[SaltPeter]

My hope is that we attract a decent chairman who sends Roo on his way shortly along with a few others. The untouchable post club great of the club card can only be used for so long after numerous fu**ups. Goodwin will be sacked this year most likely. Could see last year he wasn't cut out for it. Not many are but he definitely isn't one of them.

How do Melbourne pay out the next 2 years of Goodwin's contract? They are already on the AFL drip

 

[Golumless]

His record is ok, certainly a long way off being untouchable as many here seem to think.

Port in particular are way ahead of us at talent ID. Richmond played 10 kids under 30 games the other night.

Other teams are getting in kids and they’re doing way better than ours. Of course our experienced players being useless doesn’t help, neither does a 4th rate coaching staff.

And I know everyone goes on about time and sure patience with a lot of kids is required, but crap, look at Giorgiadis. 3 games and 6 goals. 3 last night. A lot of kids look at home straight away. And he’s just 1. How many of Ports kids just slot straight in?

We have 2. Hamill and Moose.

The burner should be right up both Reid and Hamish much more than it is.

Our issues aren't talent ID. Even your example indicates that as the two players you have picked come from the same area of the ground and one where our coaching/senior players haven't been absolutely puss in the last couple of years. It's very safe to say we wouldn't be in any different of a situation with Port or Richmonds ID, just different names caught in the maelstrom of mismanagement that is occurring. I'd be very comfortable in arguing that any side who failed a rebuild did not draft poorly early (outside of the very occasional baffling decision, i.e. Blaine Boekhurst), due to how settled the early draft is. They failed with poor coaching, fitness and upper management.

The burners really shouldn't be at Hamish at all. No justification whatsoever there seeing he has well and truly been set up to fail in the last couple of years. If we're struggling with talent when we revamp the coaching to being actually AFL standard and give 1-2 years for fitness to catch back up, then its on Hamish. Now, there are a lot more obvious and more potentially damaging areas to fix.

Ried should be getting a bit of pressure because of letting Greenwood go who would have at least made the midfield more competitive.

 

[Mutineer]

Question for mutineer. Looking at how things stand do you think we got it wrong taking jones ahead of caldwell in 2018?

I'd have taken Caldwell before Jones personally but with Caldwell's hamstring issues at the time I can only surmise our medicos might have been understandably risk averse. That said I had no problems taking Chayce where we did and still don't as I'm supremely confident he'll turn out to be a very valuable player for us with his speed and want for the contest. Free him up and let him play his own game and that applies to all our midfielders because sure as hell our current set ups aren't working too bloody well.