Resource 2020 Draft Watch (picks 1, 9, 20, 30, 45, 50, 60, 74) - updated R17 15/9/20

[Deaneus!]

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[Rory Walkerfield]

My hope is that we attract a decent chairman who sends Roo on his way shortly along with a few others. The untouchable post club great of the club card can only be used for so long after numerous fu**ups. Goodwin will be sacked this year most likely. Could see last year he wasn't cut out for it. Not many are but he definitely isn't one of them.

“Surely I need to stay on as Chairman now, you know because of the pandemic. I’m the only one who can get us through this...“

...Rob Chapman thought bubble.

 

[SaltPeter]

Our issues aren't talent ID. Even your example indicates that as the two players you have picked come from the same area of the ground and one where our coaching/senior players haven't been absolutely puss in the last couple of years. It's very safe to say we wouldn't be in any different of a situation with Port or Richmonds ID, just different names caught in the maelstrom of mismanagement that is occurring. I'd be very comfortable in arguing that any side who failed a rebuild did not draft poorly early (outside of the very occasional baffling decision, i.e. Blaine Boekhurst), due to how settled the early draft is. They failed with poor coaching, fitness and upper management.

The burners really shouldn't be at Hamish at all. No justification whatsoever there seeing he has well and truly been set up to fail in the last couple of years. If we're struggling with talent when we revamp the coaching to being actually AFL standard and give 1-2 years for fitness to catch back up, then its on Hamish. Now, there are a lot more obvious and more potentially damaging areas to fix.

Ried should be getting a bit of pressure because of letting Greenwood go who would have at least made the midfield more competitive.

I see Reid's position as getting the decisions made by the list management committee done. I don't Reid would've acted alone in letting Greenwood go

 

[Mutineer]

Lol - I had nothing against Georgiadis. Just thought it was early for a tall forward who'd missed a year and had no exposed form. I'd be surprised to see Baldwin go that early as well.

Georgiades' quad problems were nowhere near the extent of Baldwin's 2 ACL's.

I posted pics on here of Georgiades in his under age year against what he'd built into prior to the draft and the metamorphosis that had taken place was staggering from a skinny beanpole of a kid into a big strong physical specimen so it was obvious while he'd not played he'd been taking his rehab very, very seriously.
Added to that unlike Baldwin Georgiades was fit and conditioned for the draft combine which he lit up dispelling any doubts recruiters may have had.

 

[Bring back Bas]

His record is ok, certainly a long way off being untouchable as many here seem to think.

Port in particular are way ahead of us at talent ID. Richmond played 10 kids under 30 games the other night.

Other teams are getting in kids and they’re doing way better than ours. Of course our experienced players being useless doesn’t help, neither does a 4th rate coaching staff.

And I know everyone goes on about time and sure patience with a lot of kids is required, but crap, look at Giorgiadis. 3 games and 6 goals. 3 last night. A lot of kids look at home straight away. And he’s just 1. How many of Ports kids just slot straight in?

We have 2. Hamill and Moose.

The burner should be right up both Reid and Hamish much more than it is.

I don't think that immediate impact is what we should be judging draftees or recruiters on. There have been plenty of rising star winners who have gone on to have poor careers. Give me Doedee over Powell-Pepper any day.

 

[Chase13]

I'd have taken Caldwell before Jones personally but with Caldwell's hamstring issues at the time I can only surmise our medicos might have been understandably risk averse. That said I had no problems taking Chayce where we did and still don't as I'm supremely confident he'll turn out to be a very valuable player for us with his speed and want for the contest. Free him up and let him play his own game and that applies to all our midfielders because sure as hell our current set ups aren't working too bloody well.

just look at the top ten in 2018 draft photo which player looked the odd one out. Yes chase, he looked like a boy amongst boy men. And that’s ok. Chase has all tools be elite just needs to grow into his body build up core strength and he may move up pecking order in super draft, that’s how I see it as Hamish did withupside as his body develops.Thats my take and I’m still happy with chase as a pick and I think same applies to McHenry too

 

[Bring back Bas]

I'm not sure why anyone would be impressed with Port Powers recent draft history. Before the 2018 draft the only decent players that they have drafted since Ollie Wines 8 years ago are Houston, Howard, Byrne-Jones and you could maybe include Marshall, and none of those players are stars.

It's too early to be definitive but their 2018 draft haul isn't as good as it is talked up to be either. Rozee is a star, sure, but Dursma is only looking like a solid pick and Butters hasn't shown much at all, he is definitely riding on the coat tails of the other two, particularly Rozee. You also have to remember that they gave up Polec, Pittard, picks 23, 30, 48 and 49 for Rozee, Mayes and pick 64 so as good as Rozee looks I wouldn't yet call it a good piece of list management.

 

[DJ75]

My hope is that we attract a decent chairman who sends Roo on his way shortly along with a few others. The untouchable post club great of the club card can only be used for so long after numerous fu**ups. Goodwin will be sacked this year most likely. Could see last year he wasn't cut out for it. Not many are but he definitely isn't one of them.

Unfortunately I just can't see it happening.
With Chapman hellbent on hand selecting his replacement, you can be guaranteed it will be one of his puppets and there is no way it will be changed.

 

[Crow till I die]

just look at the top ten in 2018 draft photo which player looked the odd one out. Yes chase, he looked like a boy amongst boy men. And that’s ok. Chase has all tools be elite just needs to grow into his body build up core strength and he may move up pecking order in super draft, that’s how I see it as Hamish did withupside as his body develops.Thats my take and I’m still happy with chase as a pick and I think same applies to McHenry too

Its a weird one and hindsight is 2020. The club started the draft period with picks 8, 13, 16 & 19. They certainly did not try nearly hard enough to trade up to get a Rankine, Lukosius or Rozee - 3 guys that well over a year out they would have had earmarked as being top top SA talent. That we took Chase is ok - fair enough considering we were at pick 9 after the blakey bid. Could the club have tried to have packaged up a couple of their other picks to get a pick 10 or 11 and grabbed a Caldwelll as well? I suppose the point I am making is that we took such a conservative approach in that draft, a so called super draft when we had the ammunition to have been so bold. it rankles. Lest hope this year we can take the bold decisions and get our picks to where we want them to be to grab a a top mid or 2 after taking Thilthorpe who should be an absolute no brainer at pick 1 for us.

 

[Chase13]

Its a weird one and hindsight is 2020. The club started the draft period with picks 8, 13, 16 & 19. They certainly did not try nearly hard enough to trade up to get a Rankine, Lukosius or Rozee - 3 guys that well over a year out they would have had earmarked as being top top SA talent. That we took Chase is ok - fair enough considering we were at pick 9 after the blakey bid. Could the club have tried to have packaged up a couple of their other picks to get a pick 10 or 11 and grabbed a Caldwelll as well? I suppose the point I am making is that we took such a conservative approach in that draft, a so called super draft when we had the ammunition to have been so bold. it rankles. Lest hope this year we can take the bold decisions and get our picks to where we want them to be to grab a a top mid or 2 after taking Thilthorpe who should be an absolute no brainer at pick 1 for us.

Is tilthorpe a no brainer probably yes. But just as a hypothetical. Logan McDonald continues to dominate the WAFL and a big if . But if say at season end as an 18 yr old against men wins the goal kicking ledger as he is at present. What does this change. Is it still tilthorpe pick 1. Is it pick 1 and 2 tilthorpe and McDonald respectively. Or is it miss out on tilthorpe take McDonald and still next best mid. Gonna be very intriguing . Any one with an opinion. Do we still go with tilthorpe regardless because he’s good and sa. Myself I would have take both best forwards and play tilthorpe as ruck a fourth midfielder in mould Grundy. Then next best mid at gws pick and again at pick 20. And hope to add Horne next year. Add that with newchurch Edwards borlase I like it but that’s what I would do.

 

[Jack McKraken]

It did. Jenkins. Sloane. Gibbs etc...
We overpaid players past their peak, as we have been doing for a long time, whilst underpaying our youth. Then we are shocked that our youth leave for better offers...

With the exception of Sloane, I’m not sure any of those are overpaid from a contract point of view. Current output yes. They weren’t thrown 800k contracts were they?

 

[Mutineer]

With the exception of Sloane, I’m not sure any of those are overpaid from a contract point of view. Current output yes. They weren’t thrown 800k contracts were they?

A lot of genii on here with the benefit of hindsight to their advantage

 

[Crow till I die]

Is tilthorpe a no brainer probably yes. But just as a hypothetical. Logan McDonald continues to dominate the WAFL and a big if . But if say at season end as an 18 yr old against men wins the goal kicking ledger as he is at present. What does this change. Is it still tilthorpe pick 1. Is it pick 1 and 2 tilthorpe and McDonald respectively. Or is it miss out on tilthorpe take McDonald and still next best mid. Gonna be very intriguing . Any one with an opinion. Do we still go with tilthorpe regardless because he’s good and sa. Myself I would have take both best forwards and play tilthorpe as ruck a fourth midfielder in mould Grundy. Then next best mid at gws pick and again at pick 20. And hope to add Horne next year. Add that with newchurch Edwards borlase I like it but that’s what I would do.

hard one (assuming band 1 compo fro B Crouch ends up happening). With thilthorpe who I just can't see us not taking, that would give us the following tall forwards for the coming years

Thilthorpe, Fogerty, Worrell?, Frampton, Himmelberg (I am assuming Walker will retire in the next 1-2 seasons)

Down back we have

Talia, Hartigan, McAsey, Butts, Doedee, Borlace (assuming we take him)

Rucks we have

O'Brien, Strachan

We are very light on in midfield but also with Walker, Talia, Hartigan, Himmelberg and maybe Frampton not being long term with us, our stocks of bigs look worryingly thin

 

[Tex200]

Our issues aren't talent ID. Even your example indicates that as the two players you have picked come from the same area of the ground and one where our coaching/senior players haven't been absolutely puss in the last couple of years. It's very safe to say we wouldn't be in any different of a situation with Port or Richmonds ID, just different names caught in the maelstrom of mismanagement that is occurring. I'd be very comfortable in arguing that any side who failed a rebuild did not draft poorly early (outside of the very occasional baffling decision, i.e. Blaine Boekhurst), due to how settled the early draft is. They failed with poor coaching, fitness and upper management.

The burners really shouldn't be at Hamish at all. No justification whatsoever there seeing he has well and truly been set up to fail in the last couple of years. If we're struggling with talent when we revamp the coaching to being actually AFL standard and give 1-2 years for fitness to catch back up, then its on Hamish. Now, there are a lot more obvious and more potentially damaging areas to fix.

Ried should be getting a bit of pressure because of letting Greenwood go who would have at least made the midfield more competitive.

I don’t think you can say that with absolute certainty. It’s just drawing conclusions based upon considerations that are ultimately favourable to clearing recruiting.

Also it’s not just the individual we recruit, it’s the type of player so that there is a balance of needs.

You can’t end up with the list nightmare we have, then pick and choose who is responsible. It’s a whole of footy department issue of which Hamish is a part.

Continuing to carve him out and suggesting he’s beyond reproach doesn’t serve rational and proper analysis.

 

[Mutineer]

hard one (assuming band 1 compo fro B Crouch ends up happening). With thilthorpe who I just can't see us not taking, that would give us the following tall forwards for the coming years

Thilthorpe, Fogerty, Worrell?, Frampton, Himmelberg (I am assuming Walker will retire in the next 1-2 seasons)

Down back we have

Talia, Hartigan, McAsey, Butts, Doedee, Borlace (assuming we take him)

Rucks we have

O'Brien, Strachan

We are very light on in midfield but also with Walker, Talia, Hartigan, Himmelberg and maybe Frampton not being long term with us, our stocks of bigs look worryingly thin

You think we'll give Himmelberg another contract?

I wouldn't unless it's a 1 year rookie list spot, he's had ample opportunities and never looked like grasping them. No urgency about his game at either level.

 

[Chase13]

hard one (assuming band 1 compo fro B Crouch ends up happening). With thilthorpe who I just can't see us not taking, that would give us the following tall forwards for the coming years

Thilthorpe, Fogerty, Worrell?, Frampton, Himmelberg (I am assuming Walker will retire in the next 1-2 seasons)

Down back we have

Talia, Hartigan, McAsey, Butts, Doedee, Borlace (assuming we take him)

Rucks we have

O'Brien, Strachan

We are very light on in midfield but also with Walker, Talia, Hartigan, Himmelberg and maybe Frampton not being long term with us, our stocks of bigs look worryingly thin

So I assume you would not be opposed taking both kpf then set us up forward and back leaving just midfield 2021 gonna be a bumper for midfield talent not just Horne . Stock up gun midfield 2021 and we will be young but true core of elite potential to build on. And thing I like about McDonald is he still is not matured in body but still dominating against men

question wat is average height modern day ruck rover curious because tilthorpe is 200 plus in height. Other thing probably ludicrous but said as comparison to a player two meter Pete. Hope he is not that. And I liked phillips till his comparison to Matt crouch yuk we don’t want another stat padder . Real turn off

 

[FAITH]

Georgiades would have been a Crow if he was still there at our pick....It was touch or go whether the Cats took him or local boy Cooper Stephens before Port.

That video of MFC on draft night showed their recruiters hoping he would slip to their pick 18?
what pick of ours or geelongs are you referring to?

port havent won a final since 2014 so they havent been so great lol. they drafted a gun in 2018 . rozee is way in front of duursma and butters.

coaching has been pathetic, but drafting elite, and list management the last few years elite.

 

[Crow till I die]

You think we'll give Himmelberg another contract?

I wouldn't unless it's a 1 year rookie list spot, he's had ample opportunities and never looked like grasping them. No urgency about his game at either level.

I am with you there but we might need to hold him for a year or two whilst we draft and develop others

I think looking at the list that we should be looking to draft a project Ruck this year or maybe rookie one as a freebie as we are very thin there. Are there any worth a look coming through the U18's / state leagues from what you have seen so far?

 

[Mutineer]

That video of MFC on draft night showed their recruiters hoping he would slip to their pick 18?
what pick of ours or geelongs are you referring to?


coaching has been pathetic, but drafting elite, and list management the last few years elite.

Cooper Stephens for Geelong and Harry Schoenberg for us.

Draftings been good talent wise but list management very average.

 

[GrommoT]

I think some teams in the top 8 and bottom of the ladder are pretty much cemented in, right?

Top 8
Port Adelaide
Brisbane
Richmond
Geelong
Saint Kilda
West Coast

Bottom of the ladder
Adelaide
North Melb
Fremantle
Hawthorn
Sydney
Melbourne

This leaves Essendon, Bulldogs, Collingwood, Gold Coast, Carlton and GWS in the middle of the table.

IMO Collingwood too good not to make it into the 8, but who drops out?

MASSIVE few weeks for GWS. Their fixture is, unsurprisingly, pretty well set up for them over the next 4 matches, even when they have to go to WA it's after their BYE round, and they only have to face Sydney.

The Gold Coast v GWS game this weekend has a fair bit riding on it i think. It will do much to shift my opinion on whether Gold Coast taper off as we head towards the end of the season (which i think they will) and whether GWS start to push for their spot inside the top 8. If GC can get a win i think this heaps pressure on GWS going into the Essendon game the week after.

I reckon Carlton might be another that will get into top 8 (unless GWS suddenly improve their form) - following are their remaining games and quick guess at results.

Car: GC WC GWS Fre Syd Adl col haw bris
- wins: haw Fre Syd Adl
- maybe: GC GWS col
- loss: WC bris
[played: nor por wb StK Ess gee Mel Ric ]

 

[Crow till I die]

So I assume you would not be opposed taking both kpf then set us up forward and back leaving just midfield 2021 gonna be a bumper for midfield talent not just Horne . Stock up gun midfield 2021 and we will be young but true core of elite potential to build on. And thing I like about McDonald is he still is not matured in body but still dominating against men

question wat is average height modern day ruck rover curious because tilthorpe is 200 plus in height. Other thing probably ludicrous but said as comparison to a player two meter Pete. Hope he is not that. And I liked phillips till his comparison to Matt crouch yuk we don’t want another stat padder . Real turn off

If the club is locked on a proper rebuild strategy where we are likely to be a bottom few club next year too, then I don't object to taking 2 talls at 1 & 2 if they warrant it along with a mid at GWS pick and then next year using the high pick(s) we have to get the extra mids

Re the modern ruck height - 200mm probably works ok - Grundy is not much taller (203??) and 3 cms at that height is very little IF they are aggressive and can ruck well

 

[Mutineer]

I am with you there but we might need to hold him for a year or two whilst we draft and develop others

I think looking at the list that we should be looking to draft a project Ruck this year or maybe rookie one as a freebie as we are very thin there. Are there any worth a look coming through the U18's / state leagues from what you have seen so far?

WWT Zac Phillips looks about the best of the SA draftees to me.

 

[Chase13]

You think we'll give Himmelberg another contract?

I wouldn't unless it's a 1 year rookie list spot, he's had ample opportunities and never looked like grasping them. No urgency about his game at either level.

NO himelburg Wilson Poholke gone. Hope we keep Gallucci. Still think he will make it

 

[FAITH]

Cooper Stephens for Geelong and Harry Schoenberg for us.

Draftings been good talent wise but list management very average.

never would have made it that far as MFC would've taken him at 18ish

 

[DJ75]

hard one (assuming band 1 compo fro B Crouch ends up happening). With thilthorpe who I just can't see us not taking, that would give us the following tall forwards for the coming years

Thilthorpe, Fogerty, Worrell?, Frampton, Himmelberg (I am assuming Walker will retire in the next 1-2 seasons)

Down back we have

Talia, Hartigan, McAsey, Butts, Doedee, Borlace (assuming we take him)

Rucks we have

O'Brien, Strachan

We are very light on in midfield but also with Walker, Talia, Hartigan, Himmelberg and maybe Frampton not being long term with us, our stocks of bigs look worryingly thin

Our entire squad looks worryingly thin...

 

[Chase13]

WWT Zac Phillips looks about the best of the SA draftees to me.

Will Phillips vic metro