Resource 2020 Draft Watch (picks 1, 9, 20, 30, 45, 50, 60, 74) - updated R17 15/9/20

[Deaneus!]

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[Mutineer]

never would have made it that far as MFC would've taken him at 18ish

Geelong took local boy Cooper Stephens at 16 but had put a lot of time into Mitch 'Georgiades, it was touch and go whether they went local or WA at that point.

You do realise Geelong took another tall Sam De Koning at 19 fully expecting Georgiades to still be there but Port pounced early?

 

[GROTTO]

I reckon Carlton might be another that will get into top 8 (unless GWS suddenly improve their form) - following are their remaining games and quick guess at results.

Car: GC WC GWS Fre Syd Adl col haw bris
- wins: haw Fre Syd Adl
- maybe: GC GWS col
- loss: WC bris
[played: nor por wb StK Ess gee Mel Ric ]

 

[Mutineer]

Will Phillips vic metro

WTF are you on about we're talking ruck prospects.

 

[LoBu]

Yet he is a star, so no, not oversell.

Comparing him to Atkins 2017 is a massive undersell, and I don't think you mean to, surely??

In a game where Atkins starred and Jenkins kicked 5?

It's a massive oversell to say he was a star off that match, after we downhilled skied it against a team who had forfeited long before they got on the plane to Adelaide.

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[jackster83]

Our entire squad looks worryingly thin...

We need to trade for one or more mids this year.

One or more of Caldwell, Hately, Valente, Bailey, Parfitt, Sparrow, Drew, Sier, Lipinski, Fiorini and Brodie should be in our sights.

 

[GrommoT]

Lol - if they help to keep our GWS r1 pick out of the top-8 I can live with that - appreciate it might be harder for some

 

[FAITH]

Geelong took local boy Cooper Stephens at 16 but had put a lot of time into Mitch 'Georgiades, it was touch and go whether they went local or WA at that point.

You do realise Geelong took another tall Sam De Koning at 19 fully expecting Georgiades to still be there but Port pounced early?

It was a good get by Port, no one had linked Georgiadis to Port.
In that draft nigh vid, which pick were MFC hoping he would slip to?

 

[Mutineer]

We need to trade for one or more mids this year.

One or more of Caldwell, Hately, Valente, Bailey, Parfitt, Sparrow, Drew, Sier, Lipinski, Fiorini and Brodie should be in our sights.

How many of them are uncontracted and how many of them will remain uncontracted?

 

[mistylake]

What worries me about your plan which is exciting but that is 6 new draftees and real quality to our future stocks but if playing list reduced to say 35 or 38 we have to delist a lot of players if don't want to touch last years group. looking at 10- 15 players at rough estimate .
And in that group the Crows would be looking at high draft picks that were expected to be part of our future.
We are one club with picks available from last years draft and players of the ability as shown by 1990 crow able to be selected would like any reduction in number to be small.

I’m assuming only out of contract players can be delisted which makes it a bit difficult to balance the list. Unless the afl are going to allow payouts of contracts without counting in the cap. Plus the means to actually do it league wide.

 

[Mutineer]

It was a good get by Port, no one had linked Georgiadis to Port.
In that draft nigh vid, which pick were MFC hoping he would slip to?

Their next pick 32 they took 188cm WA Mid/defender Trent Rivers.

 

[FAITH]

Their next pick 32 they took 188cm WA Mid/defender Trent Rivers.

that was never gonna happen. i thought they had a pick in the late teens.

 

[Chase13]

How many of them are uncontracted and how many of them will remain uncontracted?

I would move heaven and earth to get Caldwell gonna be gun. next hately then sa boys vale team sparrow who would not cost much.

 

[Chase13]

I would move heaven and earth to get Caldwell gonna be gun. next hately then sa boys vale team sparrow who would not cost much.

I think hately gettable Caldwell would be massive get

 

[Mutineer]

I would move heaven and earth to get Caldwell gonna be gun. next hately then sa boys vale team sparrow who would not cost much.

Didn't you watch Tom Sparrow last night when they threw him on the ball, looked pretty bloody good given his limited on ball minutes. Looked a bloody lot better than Nathan Jones and Angus Brayshaw. I'll be surprised if Melbourne haven't got a contract in front of him pretty shortly.

 

[Chase13]

Didn't you watch Tom Sparrow last night when they threw him on the ball, looked pretty bloody good given his limited on ball minutes. Looked a bloody lot better than Nathan Jones and Angus Brayshaw. I'll be surprised if Melbourne haven't got a contract in front of him pretty shortly.

Same I thought he was pretty good too. Watched the game. Had potential

on diff subject what would we get for Atkins as rfa 500 x 4 year end of first maybe. Is that too highly rated for him. Trade him for sparrow for sure. Breed more as in afc should be priority. Bleed for sa crow jumper

 

[Murray2503]

Our entire squad looks worryingly thin...

Its a disaster. Our only hope is that covid will help us with list sizes being reduced and if we cut very deep to our list we should be able to bring in some quality looking for jobs happy to travel anywhere. We must make every pick a winner and not miss in the draft over the next 2 to 3 years to recover. We also must manage our cap like its never been managed before to free up space for trades and free agents. No Afl list I feel has been as badly managed as ours in the history of the Afl which makes it even more distasteful that no one from list management has resigned as of yet.

 

[Thetrader15]

Its a disaster. Our only hope is that covid will help us with list sizes being reduced and if we cut very deep to our list we should be able to bring in some quality looking for jobs happy to travel anywhere. We must make every pick a winner and not miss in the draft over the next 2 to 3 years to recover. We also must manage our cap like its never been managed before to free up space for trades and free agents. No Afl list I feel has been as badly managed as ours in the history of the Afl which makes it even more distasteful that no one from list management has resigned as of yet.

I don't know, Melbourne has a pretty bad list and they've been at the pointy end of the draft for about the last 10 years.

Carlton aren't far behind either and GC have been a shambles since starting in 2011 - especially when you consider all the picks they've had, extra salary cap and the AFL gave them Gary Ablett too!

Considering we've been in the finals regularly of the last 15 years, the management of the list probably isn't ACTUALLY as bad as you keep saying it is.

 

[Mego Red]

My hope is that we attract a decent chairman who sends Roo on his way shortly along with a few others. The untouchable post club great of the club card can only be used for so long after numerous fu**ups. Goodwin will be sacked this year most likely. Could see last year he wasn't cut out for it. Not many are but he definitely isn't one of them.

A chairman who sends on his way possibly the club's greatest player and one of the state's biggest media voices?

Seems unlikely.

 

[Mego Red]

Georgiades' quad problems were nowhere near the extent of Baldwin's 2 ACL's.

I posted pics on here of Georgiades in his under age year against what he'd built into prior to the draft and the metamorphosis that had taken place was staggering from a skinny beanpole of a kid into a big strong physical specimen so it was obvious while he'd not played he'd been taking his rehab very, very seriously.
Added to that unlike Baldwin Georgiades was fit and conditioned for the draft combine which he lit up dispelling any doubts recruiters may have had.

Yeah agreed - but surely Baldwin's 16th year was vastly superior to Giorgiades.

That being said, you're right that Georgiades was back from injury and able to be tested.

 

[Trigger13]

‘Butters hasn’t shown much at a

I'm not sure why anyone would be impressed with Port Powers recent draft history. Before the 2018 draft the only decent players that they have drafted since Ollie Wines 8 years ago are Houston, Howard, Byrne-Jones and you could maybe include Marshall, and none of those players are stars.

It's too early to be definitive but their 2018 draft haul isn't as good as it is talked up to be either. Rozee is a star, sure, but Dursma is only looking like a solid pick and Butters hasn't shown much at all, he is definitely riding on the coat tails of the other two, particularly Rozee. You also have to remember that they gave up Polec, Pittard, picks 23, 30, 48 and 49 for Rozee, Mayes and pick 64 so as good as Rozee looks I wouldn't yet call it a good piece of list management.

Duursma solid and Butters has shown much at all? They are both absolute gems. FACT. They NAILED the draft. FACT. And they nailed it again last year. We haven’t even seen Bergman yet, who will be very good too.

 

[Murray2503]

I don't know, Melbourne has a pretty bad list and they've been at the pointy end of the draft for about the last 10 years.

Carlton aren't far behind either and GC have been a shambles since starting in 2011 - especially when you consider all the picks they've had, extra salary cap and the AFL gave them Gary Ablett too!

Considering we've been in the finals regularly of the last 15 years, the management of the list probably isn't ACTUALLY as bad as you keep saying it is.

Was talking about the current list we have right NOW. The lists we had over the last 15 years where we made finals has nothing to do with our current list. Justifying our current list debacle with lists that were managed competently by different people has nothing to do with our current predicament. I never said our lists have been mismanaged for 15 years. Our list has been mismanaged over the last 3 to 4 years which the result is what we have now.

 

[MRB37]

I'm not sure he'd had a breakout season.

Played 13 games averaging 11 disposals in 2015 to 20 games averaging 22 disposals, 5 tackles, 5 clearances and almost a goal a game in 2016. He definitely showed he was a best 22 AFL player and not "break glass in case of emergency" depth player like we tried to pay him as.

 

[Vhaluus]

Played 13 games averaging 11 disposals in 2015 to 20 games averaging 22 disposals, 5 tackles, 5 clearances and almost a goal a game in 2016. He definitely showed he was a best 22 AFL player and not "break glass in case of emergency" depth player like we tried to pay him as.

Weren't his his 2015 games often wearing the sub vest as well? So it could be argued that if he'd played full games he'd have shown himself to be quite solid even then.

But yes he was definitely firmly in our best 22 in 2016 and I'd argue he wasn't #22 either, he was probably in our best 18

 

[FAITH]

‘Butters hasn’t shown much at a

Duursma solid and Butters has shown much at all? They are both absolute gems. FACT. They NAILED the draft. FACT. And they nailed it again last year. We haven’t even seen Bergman yet, who will be very good too.

Bergman was one of my favourites. He's a special talent.

 

[Bring back Bas]

hard one (assuming band 1 compo fro B Crouch ends up happening). With thilthorpe who I just can't see us not taking, that would give us the following tall forwards for the coming years

Thilthorpe, Fogerty, Worrell?, Frampton, Himmelberg (I am assuming Walker will retire in the next 1-2 seasons)

Down back we have

Talia, Hartigan, McAsey, Butts, Doedee, Borlace (assuming we take him)

Rucks we have

O'Brien, Strachan

We are very light on in midfield but also with Walker, Talia, Hartigan, Himmelberg and maybe Frampton not being long term with us, our stocks of bigs look worryingly thin

Assuming, as you stated, that we draft Thilthorpe at pick 1. I'm not too concerned about our talls. Wisely we have embraced the quality over quantity philosophy when it comes to our talls. We have invested high picks on Fogarty, Thilthorpe and McAsey. Theoretically we should have most of the best 22 spine covered for the next 10 years so we just need to ensure we have the depth.

Fogarty looks like he will be at worst a decent forward and I would hope Thilthorpe would be the same if we are to use pick 1 on him. That gives us our key forwards for the next 10 years. Ideally we would have 2 in the reserves, one as a cheap back up option and one developing. Frampton is contracted for a few years and he is an ideal back up who is ready to go if needed.

Doedee is a lock as the third or fourth tall for the long term. I am very confident that McAsey will be quality defender and we will have another 3 years min to find Talia's replacement. We may already have him in Butts or Worrell but if not we can afford to take another speculative pick or two over the next couple of years (like we did with Butts) to replace them and see how they develop.

I would like to see us draft 1 tall next year, either a forward or defender depending on where Worrell settles. I don't think that we need to invest much in these players as (hopefully) Thilthorpe, McAsey and Fogarty will all be good enough players that upgrading them wont be a high priority so speculative types with late picks should do. I like the idea of staggering the drafting of our developing talls so that we always have one at each end ready to go at anytime. For example , in a couple of years once Worrell ready for AFL football, delist Frampton, Worrell becomes the ready to play backup and we draft another developing key forward to replace Worrell.

Some might have different opinions but I am happy with ROB as at least an average ruckman for the foreseeable future. Again, I think that we need to have two in the reserves, one ready to play and one developing and at the moment I think that we are one developing ruck short so I would want to draft one over the next couple of years. I'm not a huge fan of Strachan so I wouldn't be opposed to replacing him with an experienced back up but I wouldn't be spending much on it. We do have to be careful to not have too many talls on our list as playing too many in the one SANFL team can be detrimental to development, particularly with ruckman.