2020 HFC Pre Season Training

[eldorado]

Minchington injured again.

hello Darcy Cassar!

 

[TylerDurden]

hello Darcy Cassar!

Has to be now. We cant carry permanently injured blokes on our list.

 

[Mojo]

Minchington injured again.

Also the young fella from SA with the business at the front and party at the back look has a knee injury and all bandaged up which is sad to see.

Any further info on the type of injury, LMS?

 

[RIOLINWITPUNCHS]

hello Darcy Cassar!

It really is hard to see how he wasn't taken in either drafts.

Darcy Cassar

DRAFT ANALYSIS: “Having been tried across every line over three years, Cassar has solidified his status as one of the more effective outside accumulators in this year’s crop.”

afl.draftcentral.com.au

 

[cryptor]

It really is hard to see how he wasn't taken in either drafts.

Darcy Cassar

DRAFT ANALYSIS: “Having been tried across every line over three years, Cassar has solidified his status as one of the more effective outside accumulators in this year’s crop.”

afl.draftcentral.com.au

There's always a reason. Anyone know?

 

[Carl Spackler]

There's always a reason. Anyone know?

See L Bruest, rookie draft.
See S Mitchell, overlooked in 2000. Also see B Lake, same year same overlook. Or M Priddis, overlooked three times to Brownlow winner.
See T Brady, 199th pick in the sixth round.
See J Montana, 82 pick and last of the third round.
See B Mayfield, from non-scholarship walk-on to Heisman winner.

Once in a while they get it wrong. That's the reason.

 

[Bugs1977]

Yep. It's how I imagine it happening. They zig, we zag, they go low, we go high
Do like your ending as well

Everyone loves good happy ending... right?

 

[Brishawk]

See L Bruest, rookie draft.
See S Mitchell, overlooked in 2000. Also see B Lake, same year same overlook. Or M Priddis, overlooked three times to Brownlow winner.
See T Brady, 199th pick in the sixth round.
See J Montana, 82 pick and last of the third round.
See B Mayfield, from non-scholarship walk-on to Heisman winner.

Once in a while they get it wrong. That's the reason.

So what you are saying is the Cassar will be a future captain?

 

[Noel Gallagher]

There's always a reason. Anyone know?

At a guess it appears that his inside game is his Achilles heel. We have seen in the past that what happened with Clinton young and sucking. Great outside players but their inside hand eventually saw them exit the club

 

[Brishawk]

At a guess it appears that his inside game is his Achilles heel. We have seen in the past that what happened with Clinton young and sucking. Great outside players but their inside hand eventually saw them exit the club

It sounded more like his inconsistent form at the end of the year might have been a concern. The author suggests consistency could have seen him go in the first round.

 

[Carl Spackler]

So what you are saying is the Cassar will be a future captain?

He's had future captain written all over him since before I knew he existed. That goes without saying.

 

[Roger Rogerson]

Minchington injured again.

Also the young fella from SA with the business at the front and party at the back look has a knee injury and all bandaged up which is sad to see.

Bugger.

If it is a string with Minch then that almost stamps his papers. Hope it is something different.

 

[Hawk Dork]

He's had future captain written all over him since before I knew he existed. That goes without saying.

Does any one know the odds on future Norm Smith Medalist ?

 

[cryptor]

See L Bruest, rookie draft.
See S Mitchell, overlooked in 2000. Also see B Lake, same year same overlook. Or M Priddis, overlooked three times to Brownlow winner.
See T Brady, 199th pick in the sixth round.
See J Montana, 82 pick and last of the third round.
See B Mayfield, from non-scholarship walk-on to Heisman winner.

Once in a while they get it wrong. That's the reason.

All those players were still overlooked for particular reasons even if they were able to later prove those reasons were wrong or less relevant than was thought at the time.

I'm not saying Cassar hasn't been impressive or that there's some hidden reason he will fail. I just want to know what the reason he was originally overlooked by every single club in the league. Is it something that is now less of an issue but still remains a weakness (eg. skill execution, fitness, etc.), or is it something that he's been able to largely overcome (eg. behaviour/attitude, injury, etc.)

 

[Carl Spackler]

All those players were still overlooked for particular reasons even if they were able to later prove those reasons were wrong or less relevant than was thought at the time.

I'm not saying Cassar hasn't been impressive or that there's some hidden reason he will fail. I just want to know what the reason he was originally overlooked by every single club in the league. Is it something that is now less of an issue but still remains a weakness (eg. skill execution, fitness, etc.), or is it something that he's been able to largely overcome (eg. behaviour/attitude, injury, etc.)

I'll give a serious answer: it's not a one dimensional question and can't be answered definitively. A whole range of factors go into the selection of a pick (his attributes, your needs, his attributes and position relative to the other people available to you and how they fit needs, his attributes relative to others like him in the draft and how they fill the needs of all teams vs all guys available). Plus on top of those needs goes risk appetite from the clubs. Some clubs may have an abundance of a certain type of player so they go with a high risk pick ahead of Cassar. Others maybe cannot afford to make a mistake at all so they go really conservative and choose to pass on potential X-factor.

So who knows why he fell through. It's really not accurate to assume it was a deficiency on his part.

To follow the Brady example, New England took an OT with their first pick (second round), a RB in the third, another OT in the fourth, a TE and G in the fifth and a SS in the sixth before they finally picked Brady who was the greatest player New England has ever seen and is the best QB to ever lead a team on the field. Not only was Brady taken in the sixth round, but he was the seventh QB taken overall. Of the six QB's taken before him only three ever saw an NFL snap and only two took snaps as a starter. The reason Brady went behind those other QB's? Teams were unsure if he could stand up under the pressure of the NFL and didn't think he had an NFL quality arm. Obviously, mistakes were made. Or, priorities were different.

 

[TylerDurden]

 

[Carl Spackler]

No pressure, kid. He better not f*** it up.

 

[Judd2Sewell]

See L Bruest, rookie draft.
See S Mitchell, overlooked in 2000. Also see B Lake, same year same overlook. Or M Priddis, overlooked three times to Brownlow winner.
See T Brady, 199th pick in the sixth round.
See J Montana, 82 pick and last of the third round.
See B Mayfield, from non-scholarship walk-on to Heisman winner.

Once in a while they get it wrong. That's the reason.

Mayfield went #1 in the end though, what a turn around for him.

Yes recruiters and teams do get it wrong, but there were reasons that these players slipped - too slow, not physically gifted, etc.

So does anyone know what the knock was on Cassar?

 

[Judd2Sewell]

I'll give a serious answer: it's not a one dimensional question and can't be answered definitively. A whole range of factors go into the selection of a pick (his attributes, your needs, his attributes and position relative to the other people available to you and how they fit needs, his attributes relative to others like him in the draft and how they fill the needs of all teams vs all guys available). Plus on top of those needs goes risk appetite from the clubs. Some clubs may have an abundance of a certain type of player so they go with a high risk pick ahead of Cassar. Others maybe cannot afford to make a mistake at all so they go really conservative and choose to pass on potential X-factor.

So who knows why he fell through. It's really not accurate to assume it was a deficiency on his part.

To follow the Brady example, New England took an OT with their first pick (second round), a RB in the third, another OT in the fourth, a TE and G in the fifth and a SS in the sixth before they finally picked Brady who was the greatest player New England has ever seen and is the best QB to ever lead a team on the field. Not only was Brady taken in the sixth round, but he was the seventh QB taken overall. Of the six QB's taken before him only three ever saw an NFL snap and only two took snaps as a starter. The reason Brady went behind those other QB's? Teams were unsure if he could stand up under the pressure of the NFL and didn't think he had an NFL quality arm. Obviously, mistakes were made. Or, priorities were different.

He also tested so poorly physically as well. Very reminiscent of Sam Mitchell, he had all the intangibles and the work ethic to improve his skills, which in the end made up for all of the issues that the rectruiters first identified.

 

[The Jet From Poowong]

No pressure, kid. He better not f*** it up.

I thought they went a bit light with the 100 Games. At least 250

 

[PenAndPaper]

At a guess it appears that his inside game is his Achilles heel. We have seen in the past that what happened with Clinton young and sucking. Great outside players but their inside hand eventually saw them exit the club

Yep only won 37% of his 1 on 1 contests for the year seems to be his biggest weakness. Will be interesting if we can improve that.

 

[Toasted]

Does any one know the odds on future Norm Smith Medalist ?

They’ll be a lot better if he gets picked up the hawks than one of the other 17 teams

 

[Lickmesocks]

Any further info on the type of injury, LMS?

Another hamstring niggle I was told. Not sure how bad or how long. In the rehab group and working the bikes.

 

[cryptor]

I'll give a serious answer: it's not a one dimensional question and can't be answered definitively. A whole range of factors go into the selection of a pick (his attributes, your needs, his attributes and position relative to the other people available to you and how they fit needs, his attributes relative to others like him in the draft and how they fill the needs of all teams vs all guys available). Plus on top of those needs goes risk appetite from the clubs. Some clubs may have an abundance of a certain type of player so they go with a high risk pick ahead of Cassar. Others maybe cannot afford to make a mistake at all so they go really conservative and choose to pass on potential X-factor.

So who knows why he fell through. It's really not accurate to assume it was a deficiency on his part.

To follow the Brady example, New England took an OT with their first pick (second round), a RB in the third, another OT in the fourth, a TE and G in the fifth and a SS in the sixth before they finally picked Brady who was the greatest player New England has ever seen and is the best QB to ever lead a team on the field. Not only was Brady taken in the sixth round, but he was the seventh QB taken overall. Of the six QB's taken before him only three ever saw an NFL snap and only two took snaps as a starter. The reason Brady went behind those other QB's? Teams were unsure if he could stand up under the pressure of the NFL and didn't think he had an NFL quality arm. Obviously, mistakes were made. Or, priorities were different.

You're missing the point. It doesn't matter whether or not Cassar actually has the deficiencies that resulted in him being overlooked by every club in both drafts back in November, the fact remains that he was considered to have those deficiencies to a degree that made him less attractive of a prospect than 100+ others.

A player with no perceivable deficiencies - if they ever existed - simply isn't going to be overlooked by every club and result in them being left undrafted.

 

[The_Axeman]

Was he running through the mids Axe? Can see him having a huge say in our chances this year.

Yes he was. Chad will be a massive part of our improvement this season.