Analysis 2020 List, Game Plan and Best 22?

[caesar88]

Yes I'd did read what you said and while I agree being in a bad team can have a negative impact on the development of young players I generally associate that with really bad teams, like Melbourne and Carlton of old. We are not a good team at the moment, but we are not so head that it should have a negative impact on our players development.

I agree though, it is easier for new players to slot into a great team, as it makes it much easier for them. The players I am talking about though, the Heeneys the Mills, Ronke, Hayward and Florent etc, they debuted into an okay team, and they are all reaching an age where they should be really improving a lot and beginning to take over from the senior players, and I am just not seeing it.

The only difference between us and the Melbourne/Carlton of old is that we have pride and a strong culture that stops us from being blown out of the water by 80 points when we're playing against teams that are clearly far better than us. They were very young sides that just blooded more and more youth and they ended up in a permanent state of rebuilding, and so what was probably genuine young talent got lost in a poor environment for development.

You've got to actually surround the youth with experience if you want it to blossom. Right now we have Mills, who is still probably trying to develop his own game as he never fully got that chance, trying to be a leader to Dawson, who is new to the back-line. We've got an 18 year old in McInerney basing his game off Florent, who is 21 and still trying to develop his own game. That's not productive.

 

[S120]

Simpkin took longer to get going than Florent did due to his broken leg, but his 2020 season so far he has been in the top few North Melbourne players for both games, getting pretty good disposal numbers and very good clearance numbers. His kicking is not as much of a worry compared to Florent either.

Florent isn't close to being able to be regularly in the top 3 Swans players in any given week.

Isn't close? He's been in the best three or four the first two rounds of 2020 already.

 

[brad cooper]

Simpkin took longer to get going than Florent did due to his broken leg, but his 2020 season so far he has been in the top few North Melbourne players for both games, getting pretty good disposal numbers and very good clearance numbers. His kicking is not as much of a worry compared to Florent either.

Florent isn't close to being able to be regularly in the top 3 Swans players in any given week.

they've both had the ball 48 times and Florent has had more clearances with less clangers, you are making no sense.

 

[caesar88]

Isn't close? He's been in the best three or four the first two rounds of 2020 already.

And in the last three of four rounds in 2019 as well!

 

[RUNVS]

they've both had the ball 48 times and Florent has had more clearances with less clangers, you are making no sense.

Simpkin is 18% more effective with his disposals. Florent is at about 56%

 

[LukeParkerno1]

yeah most of those arent highly touted or have a high ceiling, most were middle to low picks
i mean they couldnt just draft Taranto instead of florent for instance
club marketing and fans overrate a few

Could have taken Jy Simpkin though who looks a dead set A grader.

 

[The King!]

Could have taken Jy Simpkin though who looks a dead set A grader.

did longmire ask not to take simpkin though?

 

[Punts]

If only florent could kick hey

 

[LukeParkerno1]

did longmire ask not to take simpkin though?

Don’t know. What we do know is we were deciding between the two. We picked wrong in my view

 

[The King!]

Don’t know. What we do know is we were deciding between the two. We picked wrong in my view

fair enough, but werent we talking about horse developing players, he can't develop those on other lists

 

[LukeParkerno1]

fair enough, but werent we talking about horse developing players, he can't develop those on other lists

It could help if we took the right players though

 

[brad cooper]

Simpkin is 18% more effective with his disposals. Florent is at about 56%

okay he's an 18% better kick at this stage, certainly grounds for suggesting he will be considerably better.

 

[Kummerspeck]

Simpkin took longer to get going than Florent did due to his broken leg, but his 2020 season so far he has been in the top few North Melbourne players for both games, getting pretty good disposal numbers and very good clearance numbers. His kicking is not as much of a worry compared to Florent either.

Florent isn't close to being able to be regularly in the top 3 Swans players in any given week.

Coaches thought he was top five on the ground against the Crows in round one and he got three votes. Simpkin got none for round one and one for round two.

What measures are you using to compare them in the 2 (two) games of 2020 so far? Almost all their stats are identical for the year:

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[brad cooper]

It could help if we took the right players though

Are you genuinely unhappy we took Florent over Simpkin? Florent since moving to the midfield has has shown he can become an inside linbreaking midfielder, that's whilst getting A grade ruckwork from Sinclair and Aliir.

it's only his 4th season, what were you expecting exactly? just as a comparison in their 4th seasons look at some current star players season average

Danger 27 (5th season as first 4 were mainly forward)
Martin 24
Mitchell 27
Treloar 27

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Are you genuinely unhappy we took Florent over Simpkin? Florent since moving to the midfield has has shown he can become an inside linbreaking midfielder, that's whilst getting A grade ruckwork from Sinclair and Aliir.

it's only his 4th season, what were you expecting exactly? just as a comparison in their 4th seasons look at some current star players season average

Danger 27 (5th season as first 4 were mainly forward)
Martin 24
Mitchell 27
Treloar 27

Compared to Simpkin yes. I value the ability to genuinely kick more.

 

[The King!]

It could help if we took the right players though

should have drafted mcluggage and just told brisbane too bad hey

 

[The King!]

Compared to Simpkin yes. I value the ability to genuinely kick more.

who doesnt, but florent can get the ball out of traffic

 

[brad cooper]

Compared to Simpkin yes. I value the ability to genuinely kick more.

Well the swans went with pace which was what we were lacking at the time, something that got exposed a couple of months before in a pretty big match. A very good selection, and a player who is improving rapidly, and easily the equal of Simpkin at this stage of their careers.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

who doesnt, but florent can get the ball out of traffic

So can Simpkin. It was his injury (broken leg) that scared teams off him. On pure talent personally had Simpkin ahead and still do. Everything he does is silk. Florent gets the ball but boy him like most of our side dead set butchers it

 

[wills2g]

And so after Gulden and Campbell, I want us to stop drafting kids, and attempting to bring players in from other clubs. They can be Sam Gray types whatever. There needs to be a balance between going full kid mode (GC, Carlton) and stinking it up, and full veteran mode (Hawks) who also arent doing the hottest which are two extremes that aren't really paying off

I think this season will be telling if Mills/Heeney doesn't step it up to the next level on whether going all in on these kids is a good move

 

[Angry Red Bull]

And so after Gulden and Campbell, I want us to stop drafting kids, and attempting to bring players in from other clubs. They can be Sam Gray types whatever. There needs to be a balance between going full kid mode (GC, Carlton) and stinking it up, and full veteran mode (Hawks) who also arent doing the hottest which are two extremes that aren't really paying off

I think this season will be telling if Mills/Heeney doesn't step it up to the next level on whether going all in on these kids is a good move

18 clubs are trying to get their choices right remember. It takes a small amount of luck good or bad to turn things either way.

 

[scaryness]

Simpkin was touted as being top 5 before he injured his leg. It's no surprise he's better, and why I was keen on him at the time. When a pick 5 player slides to pick 11 from a freak injury like his (i.e. not soft-tissue, just unavoidable bad luck and nothing else) then you take him and pay thanks for the discount.

Florent is good though, and we're lucky to have him, but I wanted Simpkin and it sucks seing him go ahead right now.

Witherden slipped in that draft too for the same injury, neither of them have missed a beat. Michael Barlow, Gary Rohan, Jake Stringer, Jack Ziebell have all broken their legs when they were young. It doesn't seem to affect your career much after recovery.

 

[S120]

Simpkin is 18% more effective with his disposals. Florent is at about 56%

Florent has also gained about 200m more per game than Simpkin in 2020 so far. They're different players with different skills. It'd be more odd if they matched on every single stat (although they do have some similarities).

The claim you made was that Florent isn't close to being top 3 in our 22 on any given week and that seems pretty off the mark given his recent form.

 

[BloodySwan]

I'd be pretty happy to have Simpkin & Florent in the same team. Would be one of the best emerging 1-2 combos going around.

 

[brad cooper]

Rowbottom and Florent will make a very good midfield combo in years to come, need to find another one to complement those 2, and of course a ruckman.