List Mgmt. 2020 List Management, Free Agency & Trade thread

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This Part 2 Continued from Part 1: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2020-list-management-free-agency-trade-thread.1241035/ What type of players does our list need? Pace, Skill, Class and and goal threat. A winger, forward flank and forward pocket are the 3 positions that we need, plus...

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[Bring back Drum]

You can’t really bring in ready to go key forwards depth though. Anyone first choice somewhere else doesn’t want to be depth for us and anyone depth anywhere else is sh*t or they aren’t depth.

Your depth for key forward spot has to be a developing kid, is their depth on another team you can think of that you’d want to bring in?

If Mihocek is gettable, then we’d be crazy not too or at least try. He & Jlo would have knowledge of each other & he would understand his defensive duties as a key forward under Jlo’s coaching.

I’ve mentioned before that I just don’t trust Hogan & Tabs to stand up to a 20+ round season & in any case I don’t trust Hogan full stop to be available for that many games. We would get 4-5 seasons out of Mihocek in a finals/premiership window.

Whether he’s gettable is another question & the posturing from management is probably your standard ploy for more dollars, but let’s give them something to think about. I can’t believe he’s still on the rookie list.

Few names mentioned via the draft, thanks for those, Dixon has really pissed me off & we need to develop one to step in for Tabs, as, dare I say it, WC have done for Kennedy with Allen.

The other is Peter Wright & I don’t mind him as a forward, but he & Lobb just wouldn’t work in the same team.

 

[Wigarus]

Geelong have a problem because in the finals teams just don't let you sit and kick the ball around ad nauseum like the Cats like to do. It's why they get found out every year in the Finals after looking gangbusters in the regular season.

Yeah, basically my issue with JLOs gameplan and why I liked Ross's. Finals are always ugly mud wrestles. Why not play an ugly mudwrestle all year in preparation?

 

[Carnthedockers]

Thought a few would find this interesting..
Left because he wanted be the big dog. As I’ve always claimed via my source

 

[more_of_bito]

As he is contracted for two more years ..the club will most likely trust that a normal season will see him return to the side.

Would I pay a first round down grade etc... a deal is when two sides agree to a value... and pick 28 would not get it done this year

Agree we need to agree value, but equally First round downgrade won’t be offered by Freo and get it done this year.

He isn’t a need for us and don’t see us actively targeting him. Only reason is he wants to break contract and nominates WA/Freo.

We pick up atop 10/11 pick Geelong pick up 3 first round picks in the teens.

So ball is with Geelong and Clark to generate his value next year. If he plays every game and becomes a staple half back/ wing then likely he’ll stay. If cats play 3 first round picks and he’s still not starting 22 then a 2nd round pick is well overs for 3rd year player who’s played only 30 games.

 

[Wigarus]

Thought a few would find this interesting..
Left because he wanted be the big dog. As I’ve always claimed via my source

Na, don't you remember it's cos he hates Ross?

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

If Mihocek is gettable, then we’d be crazy not too or at least try. He & Jlo would have knowledge of each other & he would understand his defensive duties as a key forward under Jlo’s coaching.

I’ve mentioned before that I just don’t trust Hogan & Tabs to stand up to a 20+ round season & in any case I don’t trust Hogan full stop to be available for that many games. We would get 4-5 seasons out of Mihocek in a finals/premiership window.

Whether he’s gettable is another question & the posturing from management is probably your standard ploy for more dollars, but let’s give them something to think about. I can’t believe he’s still on the rookie list.

Few names mentioned via the draft, thanks for those, Dixon has really pissed me off & we need to develop one to step in for Tabs, as, dare I say it, WC have done for Kennedy with Allen.

The other is Peter Wright & I don’t mind him as a forward, but he & Lobb just wouldn’t work in the same team.

I can see the argument for getting Mihocek but you'd have to get rid of Hogan in the same breath. We would absolutely not play all of Lobb, Hogan, Tabs and Mihocek in the same team and we cant be paying one of them 600-700k to sit in the 2s.

My stubborness stops me from wanting to give up on Hogan but I can understand there is probably a very real argument to trade Hogan for Mihocek

 

[ChimpaWompa]

I'm a big fan of mihocek but right now he's at his peak value as a player and too old for my liking, isnt the lesson with him to look for an inexpensive player in the lower leagues who can fill can fill a role as he did?

 

[Bring back Drum]

I'm a big fan of mihocek but right now he's at his peak value as a player and too old for my liking, isnt the lesson with him to look for an inexpensive player in the lower leagues who can fill can fill a role as he did?

That is the other option, isn’t it?

Select the best tall forward not playing AFL up to the age of 25 & rookie them (if that’s still a thing) The fact that Dixon wasn’t deemed good enough for that last round & we now know why, really messed with our forward structure & gave us no hope of winning that game.

We can’t allow that to happen next season when I predict wins will be far more important.

 

[Carnthedockers]

Na, don't you remember it's cos he hates Ross?

Ross looks pretty shocked doesn't he.

 

[Purple Jesus]

Thought a few would find this interesting..
Left because he wanted be the big dog. As I’ve always claimed via my source

Which is kinda pathetic really.

 

[Galapagoose]

Thought a few would find this interesting..
Left because he wanted be the big dog. As I’ve always claimed via my source

This was always the reason imo.

Neale played Fyfe's role when Fyfe was injured in 2016 and dominated. I think Neale ended up with the most touches in the comp that year. RTB's midfield game plan was always focused on one midfielder ball hunting while the rest supported. I can't blame Neale for wanting to join Brisbane, they were a team on the rise and they lacked an inside elite mid.

 

[Carnthedockers]

Which is kinda pathetic really.

Yep I agree. Come across as pretty selfish to me. Didn't like the way he left us. Thats just my option though.

 

[heypenny]

I'm a big fan of mihocek but right now he's at his peak value as a player and too old for my liking, isnt the lesson with him to look for an inexpensive player in the lower leagues who can fill can fill a role as he did?

I agree, I would rather pick up someone in the lower leagues than overpay for Mihocek. What about Zac Strom? He's only 26 or 27 and a good size. Heard he was the stand out in the Grand Final on Sunday.

 

[mightymouse75]

I agree, I would rather pick up someone in the lower leagues than overpay for Mihocek. What about Zac Strom? He's only 26 or 27 and a good size. Heard he was the stand out in the Grand Final on Sunday.

Would make sense. Why invest so much time into your Dixon type. 3 years of development with no payoff.
Target the best state leaguer for that position. Rookie. Then plug and play if you lose a forward.

 

[Paracleet]

Thought a few would find this interesting.. Left because he wanted be the big dog. As I’ve always claimed via my source

I've always said that with no source because it seemed like the logical inference. Exhibit A, from over a year ago, your honour:

He wanted to be the big dog. Everything else (Money? Our revised offer wouldn't have been that much less. Unprofessionalism in some players? Every club has it, you deal with it. Only an issue when you're losing), whilst likely real, was secondary in my view.

 

[Square Peg]

I see uncanny resemblance between Clark and Weller in terms of their skillset and how they're developing as players.
So every pick lower than #2 that we might pay for Clark is a bonus, we'd be getting a slightly younger version of the same player for a cheaper price.
All theoretical of course, I have no idea if he's keen on a trade

 

[Paracleet]

Shit just watched the actual video. Cop that Lachie! The Ross verbal equivalent of a public flogging with the hilt.

 

[theGav56]

Just keep it simple and follow the coach’s lead; outside speed and skills, and a forward/ruck.

 

[UYD 4 Life]

We could try and trade 10 for a couple picks in the late teens (potentially Brisbane). Give one to Geelong for Clark and keep one to pick up someone like a Cox, Cook or O'Driscoll.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Geelong would probably rate our future 1st a hell of a lot higher than our pick 10 (less NGA, stronger draft, they already have a lot of picks this year).

If you can get Geelong to agree to a future 1st for Clarke and 17, do you do it?

 

[theGav56]

Geelong would probably rate our future 1st a hell of a lot higher than our pick 10 (less NGA, stronger draft, they already have a lot of picks this year).

If you can get Geelong to agree to a future 1st for Clarke and 17, do you do it?

17 should come in before our NGA bids, so there is that. Pretty dangerous trading out of next year’s draft.

 

[heypenny]

Geelong would probably rate our future 1st a hell of a lot higher than our pick 10 (less NGA, stronger draft, they already have a lot of picks this year).

If you can get Geelong to agree to a future 1st for Clarke and 17, do you do it?

Not for me. It's way too risky to trade a future first (in an even competition). You never know what could happen. Thank God GWS didn't take the offer of our future first for McCarthy way back in 2015. We went from top of the ladder to bottom three in 2016.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Not for me. It's way too risky to trade a future first (in an even competition). You never know what could happen. Thank God GWS didn't take the offer of our future first for McCarthy way back in 2015. We went from top of the ladder to bottom three in 2016.

Would be risky, PA and WC are teams that did the future 1st trade really well (got WC a flag and Port possibly a flag...)

No one has had it backfire spectacularly yet, probably GWS this year the worst of them

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

17 should come in before our NGA bids, so there is that. Pretty dangerous trading out of next year’s draft.

Definitely risky, could get Clark basically for free if we perform well next year...

 

[AstonSouffle]

I agree, I would rather pick up someone in the lower leagues than overpay for Mihocek. What about Zac Strom? He's only 26 or 27 and a good size. Heard he was the stand out in the Grand Final on Sunday.

Great guy too everytime I've run into him, plus the bloke is absolutely bonkers massive, might as well call him The Mountain.