List Mgmt. 2020 List Management II

[Jimmyonesix]

I think our development has always been strong through the rebuild

Saints were moaning about development prior to their rise, same as the Lions, which we have been ahead of through similar rebuilding timelines

I think continuity of best young players playing together has affected our development the most -- curnow Harry weitering marchbank SPS Fischer -- (exclude silvagni and Cunningham if you like) that is 25% of your best youn g talent 4 key pillars of the backline and forward line -- in the possible games how many would they have played together -- doubt be 22 in 4-5 years -- that hurts ..

 

[Healer]

Double Hippy!

Double Hippy would be the honey and shrooms tea.

 

[JustaBattler]

Double Hippy would be the honey and shrooms tea.

hash oil in your morning coffee ...

 

[Metalcrusher]

hash oil in your morning coffee ...

Dont be silly you cook you HASH browns in that.

 

[Healer]

Dont be silly you cook you HASH browns in that.

That didn't need too much encouragement for us to well and truly corrupt the list management thread....bewdiful

 

[haveago]

hash oil in your morning coffee ...

Where do you get it????

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

lemon and ginger, knuckleheads

Lemongrass and Ginger

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

Great, if you like drinking toilet freshener.

Earl Grey: soapy dish water, lowest blend of tea ever...

 

[Healer]

Where do you get it????

Neumarkt Platz, Amsterdam as a personal preference.
But any "coffee" shop could help you out.

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

Homebrand Orange Pekoe

 

[Arr0w]

It really hasn't been, at least not for my direct observation.

Bolton was far too 'educational'
That may be fine for some, but it was always stop/start at training. Too many words, not enough action.
Too NFL and not enough AFL.

It's hard to judge just how good a coach is from a distance, but Fraser just didn't seem like the right guy for our young squad.
There was little verve or bounce in his delivery to the players. No one seemed to be truly invested in what he had to say.

Now, there is a lot more to player development than for the principle coaches alone.
Maybe we just won't know what good development is, until we really see it......and I don't think we've really seen it.

As I said, same was said with the likes of the Saihrs, Billings, etc, then it all changed in the matter of a year

 

[Arr0w]

Development is one of the main reasons Bolton got the gig, and he did a good job in his first few seasons but ran out of steam in the end. I've always felt that the quality just wasn't quite there, dating back to the turn of the millennium. We are getting closer now, though the question mark on Charlie has me wondering if we have enough yet.

Bolton went to young for too long, Teague too old for too long, balance is always in the middle

 

[THE_GUN]

So bullish about what we have put together thus far.

Saad will do very nicely taking Simmos spot.

Williams has that toughness we need and will relish being at a big Melb. club....will quickly become a fan favorite.

Fogarty will go straight in the middle IMO....An outstanding prospect with a lot of Jimmy Bartel bout him.

Carroll looks like he could be ready to go and highlights ooze class and composure, and that left boot!

Durdin from all reports could be the next Eddie Betts......Hope so because the old one is in need of an upgrade.

We have filled the needs our list required and with a repaired Crippa and another year older Walsh, TDK , Setters and Harry.......

Martin should be better year 2 and hopefully he can give us a whole year of what he showed early this year. Could turn into
another A grader with consistency.

Caleb back.... Leon Cameron

Leon Cameron

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said of all players to leave GWS he was the one he most regrets...... A big 2021 would not surprise

Still very positive about Jacks upside....We need what he brings , passion, determination and guts. ( the nut does not fall far from the tree)

Newman showed us he is a top line player in what we have seen and will be pushing hard for that other HBF role.

Kemp??? Lets hope so....so highly rated by club.

And if we do finally get a fit Charlie boy back well that would be the cherry on top!






I am excited... Finals ???
You better believe it.....the most exciting young list with a wide open window to jump through.

After reading this im plonking $500 on blues for the flag. You better not be pulling my leg

 

[THE_GUN]

2021& 22 will be significant list management years and if all goes well will propel the team to 17th flag.
We’re carrying too many occasional performers and perennially injured players won’t cut at top level.
Daniel O’Keefe & Luke Power

Luke Power

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are now the corner stones of team development and improvement, Russell will need to perform miracles too , We’re in good hands but may take 2 to 3 years yet to sort our list out, patience is needed yet , it’s onwards & upwards for Baggers, It’s a great feel.

Surely not mate !!

Carlton are now going into year 6 of the SOS rebuild and Cripps is 25 with enough mature experienced players that are in the age range of challenging
2021 & 2022 finals should be non negotiatable and top 4 a must in 2023.

You will have half your talented list in free agency range if you are waiting another 3 years andd the cycle will begin again if the talent cant see progress
Need to get off the fence and demand results from now on and no more excuses.

 

[HBF]

Surely not mate !!

Carlton are now going into year 6 of the SOS rebuild and Cripps is 25 with enough mature experienced players that are in the age range of challenging
2021 & 2022 finals should be non negotiatable and top 4 a must in 2023.

You will have half your talented list in free agency range if you are waiting another 3 years andd the cycle will begin again if the talent cant see progress
Need to get off the fence and demand results from now on and no more excuses.

Yeah we should be aiming to play finals next year for sure.
What still concerns me is our lapses for large chunks in games, where we let the opposition get too much of a run o.
I hope this is the #1 priority to be addressed in our preseason.
And then rotating our mids more often in 2021.

 

[The Bighouse]

Bolton went to young for too long, Teague too lold for too long, balance is always in the middle

With some balance in the middle too, mix it up Teaguey, rotations coming through.

 

[bmaurizio]

Surely not mate !!

Carlton are now going into year 6 of the SOS rebuild and Cripps is 25 with enough mature experienced players that are in the age range of challenging
2021 & 2022 finals should be non negotiatable and top 4 a must in 2023.

You will have half your talented list in free agency range if you are waiting another 3 years andd the cycle will begin again if the talent cant see progress
Need to get off the fence and demand results from now on and no more excuses.

Agree you we should be playing a final in 2021 perhaps two. But for a serious tilt, list needs to be scrutinized further, too many intermittent performers such as Cunners & Gov, and players like Caleb & Chalrlie that just can’t stay on the park, finally a plethora of young talent that just has not delivered yet, it’s a concern.
But Overall it’s very exciting, plenty to work with and recruiting of Williams, Saad and Fogarty will help tremendously, but we’ll need patience for the 17th flag.

 

[The Bighouse]

Yeah we should be aiming to play finals next year for sure.
What still concerns me is our lapses for large chunks in games, where we let the opposition get too much of a run o.
I hope this is the #1 priority to be addressed in our preseason.
And then rotating our mids more often in 2021.

Finals without doubt

There should be no more excuses on the lapses front. Added 2 experienced players, the players & coaches have to have learnt from the previous glitches & the team can no longer claim youth as a factor.
Leaders step up or be made.

 

[Arr0w]

With some balance in the middle too, mix it up Teaguey, rotations coming through.

I want to see layers added to the gameplan, rather than full blown attack

More tempo, chipping it round, chip and run, rather than bombing it 50

 

[The Bighouse]

I want to see layers added to the gameplan, rather than full blown attack

More tempo, chipping it round, chip and run, rather than bombing it 50

Our disposal by foot is very limited in most.
Saad off HB
Williams from the centre (DC & SPS hopefully too)
Williamson from the wing
Walsh will just get better
^Better forward entries will be a plus
A functioning forward line (confidence with it will be welcome).
+ some better run/overlap with the recruits
Cripps, Setters, Ed can thrive inside.

If/when Charlie comes back adds another dynamic up forward as well.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

I want to see layers added to the gameplan, rather than full blown attack

More tempo, chipping it round, chip and run, rather than bombing it 50

I think/hope this was somewhat a result of what we had at our disposal. We pretty much had to take risks to be able to hit the scoreboard. We are clearly more talented and mature this year so hopefully we can reign in our attacking play somewhat and still hit the scoreboard.

 

[Metalcrusher]

Surely not mate !!

Carlton are now going into year 6 of the SOS rebuild and Cripps is 25 with enough mature experienced players that are in the age range of challenging
2021 & 2022 finals should be non negotiatable and top 4 a must in 2023.

You will have half your talented list in free agency range if you are waiting another 3 years andd the cycle will begin again if the talent cant see progress
Need to get off the fence and demand results from now on and no more excuses.

So sad other supporters have more faith in our club than some of our own.

 

[BigBreakfast]

They are important even if they don't make impact in your main team.
You'll mostly find that the better teams have the better VFL teams. This has been the story for years now.

In the case of Richmond though -
2014 RD netted them Short, Castagna, Lambert & Soldo. Not a bad outing right there given the impact they've had.
2015 - Chol
2017 - Baker
The highest selected player from that group was Short @ #11

Us? Gowers @ #6 - Glass-McCasker @ #1 - LeBois @ #5 - Matt Shaw

Matt Shaw

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@ #3 - Goddard @ #1

Selections? Development? Being in a poor team? Maybe a bit of everything but the difference is stark.

Don’t forget Pickett was BOG in the reggies grand final in ‘19 then debuted in the big one the following week. Mid season draft pick.

 

[BigBreakfast]

Dont be silly you cook you HASH browns in that.

And we taste good every morning!

 

[THE_GUN]

If i was to be brutally honest

I wouldnt be dissecting the team or the picks in the draft and which players have been taken at what pick or which players would have been better etc
My biggest concern would be with the coaching team having the ability to implement a game style thats going to win games and play the players to their strengths.
Somebody mentioned above a chip mark run game style. I disagree with that as the teams that play that have been found out and fallen short when pressure has been applied in finals and is only effective against weak'er sides that dont have the pressure or cant apply it long enough.
Eagles , Pies Geelong are the teams that play that way and constantly fall short.

Game has evolved and teams like Brisbane , Port ,St Kilda are now moving to a similar model to richmonds plan of all out attack when in possession and constant pressure when not with running full ground to create option and tackle in packs.

Carltons coaches cannot be allowed to fall into safety of holding onto the ball with the possession game