List Mgmt. 2020 Trade Targets

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JUSTWORK said:
Got a feeling I read 700 somewhere, unfortunately probably not far off band 1. Es
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You'd think that Brad Crouch is no where near worth pick 2, but then you think from the Saints point of view, its way better for them to pay a bit extra so the Clowns get the compo they desperately want, and it doesn't cost Saint Kilda anything. If they dont pay him enough to trigger band 1, they risk the Clowns matching and forcing a trade meaning they'd have to give up their first rounder to get him.

The system is ****ed.
 
Pretty sure brads contract is 4 plus a trigger for a 5th.
Happy to be abit quite this yr not trading talent out worse draft to be heavy invested in by all reports.
 
Free agency compensation

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl...free-agency-compensation-20180221-p4z16j.html

Key components of the compensation system include:

■A free agent paid $2 million over two years will be ranked higher on the compensation table than one who is paid $3.5 million over four years. The length of contract is only a ‘‘tie-breaker’’ if annual salary is equal to another player. The contract must be at least two years.

■The compensation is based entirely on guaranteed money, or the ‘‘base’’ salary, with incentive-based payments counting for nothing. A player who is paid $500,000 a season, who can make $800,000 with incentives, is ranked on the basis of a $500,000 contract.
It was this factor - plus the player’s age - that meant North Melbourne received only a second-round pick for star Daniel Wells, even though Wells can make more than $1.5 million over his three-year contract.
His base is less than $500,000 a season and he was 31 when he signed with Collingwood.

■The key to the formula is a ranking system, in which every player in the AFL aged 25 or older is placed in order, based on the size of their (guaranteed) contract.
The highest-paid players are ranked at 100 points, the lowest at 0.
The AFL then allocates up to 12 additional points for a player’s age. At 25 (as of October 31), a player receives the maximum of 12 points, a 26-year-old earns another 10 points, 27-year-olds gain another 8, 28 brings 6 and so forth, with a 30-year-old worth just 2 extra points.
 
Ford Fairlane said:
Free agency compensation

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl...free-agency-compensation-20180221-p4z16j.html

Key components of the compensation system include:

■A free agent paid $2 million over two years will be ranked higher on the compensation table than one who is paid $3.5 million over four years. The length of contract is only a ‘‘tie-breaker’’ if annual salary is equal to another player. The contract must be at least two years.

■The compensation is based entirely on guaranteed money, or the ‘‘base’’ salary, with incentive-based payments counting for nothing. A player who is paid $500,000 a season, who can make $800,000 with incentives, is ranked on the basis of a $500,000 contract.
It was this factor - plus the player’s age - that meant North Melbourne received only a second-round pick for star Daniel Wells, even though Wells can make more than $1.5 million over his three-year contract.
His base is less than $500,000 a season and he was 31 when he signed with Collingwood.

■The key to the formula is a ranking system, in which every player in the AFL aged 25 or older is placed in order, based on the size of their (guaranteed) contract.
The highest-paid players are ranked at 100 points, the lowest at 0.
The AFL then allocates up to 12 additional points for a player’s age. At 25 (as of October 31), a player receives the maximum of 12 points, a 26-year-old earns another 10 points, 27-year-olds gain another 8, 28 brings 6 and so forth, with a 30-year-old worth just 2 extra points.
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Fascinating
 

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Earlier in the season there was talk about us and Brennan Cox from Fremantle
Any possibility there?
 
VineValerian said:
Every side in the eight have faith in their youth developing, plus they are actively bolstering their lists with trades.

The improvement in our kids will be balanced by the drop off in our aging warriors.

So we will be treading water next year whilst many of those around us leap forward.
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Name a player that wants to come here that we can/ could have realistically got? We made a similar offer to Crouch that they made to Polec. St Kilda made a similar offer to Crouch than North did to Polec. We don't have the advantages of players lining up as FAs wanting to come to us at the standard market rate. If we get Allir that fixes the problem everyone has been crapping on about for 2 years. He's the best KPD available to us. Most other clubs don't have 7 top 25 players in the last 2 drafts and 2 1st rounders from 4 drafts ago and a guy who played 3/4s of a season in a senior side that won a flag whose guaranteed to come to us. The youth is absolutely going to push up next year more than anyone else (except maybe GCS). I have Boak playing a similar season next year. Gray was very ordinary mid season. Westhoff did nothing outside of the games early in the year where we belted the bottom sides. We have to cover the loss of Ebert and some more decline from Gray (who was a role player all year). The rest are 30 and will likely have similar years next year. Then we can see if we can pry someone like Merrett loose.
 
What I find astonishing is that Kyle Hartigan has now been able to convince two clubs that he can play football.

Impressive.
 
P4Life said:
Earlier in the season there was talk about us and Brennan Cox from Fremantle
Any possibility there?
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He re-signed about a month ago.
 
Ford Fairlane said:
Free agency compensation

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl...free-agency-compensation-20180221-p4z16j.html

Key components of the compensation system include:

■A free agent paid $2 million over two years will be ranked higher on the compensation table than one who is paid $3.5 million over four years. The length of contract is only a ‘‘tie-breaker’’ if annual salary is equal to another player. The contract must be at least two years.

■The compensation is based entirely on guaranteed money, or the ‘‘base’’ salary, with incentive-based payments counting for nothing. A player who is paid $500,000 a season, who can make $800,000 with incentives, is ranked on the basis of a $500,000 contract.
It was this factor - plus the player’s age - that meant North Melbourne received only a second-round pick for star Daniel Wells, even though Wells can make more than $1.5 million over his three-year contract.
His base is less than $500,000 a season and he was 31 when he signed with Collingwood.

■The key to the formula is a ranking system, in which every player in the AFL aged 25 or older is placed in order, based on the size of their (guaranteed) contract.
The highest-paid players are ranked at 100 points, the lowest at 0.
The AFL then allocates up to 12 additional points for a player’s age. At 25 (as of October 31), a player receives the maximum of 12 points, a 26-year-old earns another 10 points, 27-year-olds gain another 8, 28 brings 6 and so forth, with a 30-year-old worth just 2 extra points.
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Crouch would have to be in the top 15% of guaranteed wages for players over 25 to get band 1. Given he is injury prone and has a drug strike you would think his contract has performance incentives. If st Kilda are giving him 5 years in the guaranteed top 15% of 25plus players then they are friggin nuts.
 
VineValerian said:
Every side in the eight have faith in their youth developing, plus they are actively bolstering their lists with trades.

The improvement in our kids will be balanced by the drop off in our aging warriors.

So we will be treading water next year whilst many of those around us leap forward.
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nah...still plenty that haven't tasted much action yet. Georgie, Mead, Williams, Bergman, Pasini and will also have young Jones.
Even Ladhams is massively inexperienced.

Yes, we need to keep our eyes on developing youngsters but not cashing in on 2020 is not the end of the world.
 
MALTSY said:
not cashing in on 2020 is not the end of the world.
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Opportunities to make and win premierships don’t come around very often, you absolutely must take your opportunities when they present themselves.

In 2014, losing the prelim and not taking the opportunity to win a flag “wasn’t the end of the world” because we had the beat young group and were a sure thing to be competing for premierships for years to come. It took until this year to win another final and make a prelim, much like in 2014 we have again missed an opportunity to go all the way.
 
JUSTWORK said:
Opportunities to make and win premierships don’t come around very often, you absolutely must take your opportunities when they present themselves.

In 2014, losing the prelim and not taking the opportunity to win a flag “wasn’t the end of the world” because we had the beat young group and were a sure thing to be competing for premierships for years to come. It took until this year to win another final and make a prelim, much like in 2014 we have again missed an opportunity to go all the way.
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sorry, I mean cashing in on the draft.
 
JUSTWORK said:
Opportunities to make and win premierships don’t come around very often, you absolutely must take your opportunities when they present themselves.

In 2014, losing the prelim and not taking the opportunity to win a flag “wasn’t the end of the world” because we had the beat young group and were a sure thing to be competing for premierships for years to come. It took until this year to win another final and make a prelim, much like in 2014 we have again missed an opportunity to go all the way.
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But we went and got Ryder that pre season that didn't work either☹️
 
MALTSY said:
sorry, I mean cashing in on the draft.
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No worries, that makes perfect sense then. Jones, Schofield in the draft and possibly Fantasia and Aliir at the right price is a reasonable result this off-season...

Not sure what next years draft is like, but if we can trade out a future first / current second draft night and grab a highly rated tall defender before a bid on Jones come that might be worth looking at.
 

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