2020 US Presidential Nominees

Who's gonna be the Veep?


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I don't think a lifetime of public service, where they become very wealthy somehow (accusations of widespread corruption in US politics), makes for a candidate who can be in touch with the majority of Americans.

Every four years we go through a cycle where candidates for the people bob up and are beaten to the nomination by more seasoned, career politicians who haven't held a job outside of government work in decades.

Personally, I think the veto power of the president should be held by someone using it to protect the interests of the people as well as the defense of the constitution. Currently we have a debate about whether someone embedded in the political machine is better suited to operating the political machine while speaking with the same mouth about how horrible the political machine is.

More of the same doesn't make for any actual change, every time someone gets picked who knows how to work the system and keep the game going how it has, making a lot of politicians very wealthy. As soon as someone was elected from outside that system the system began turning to work against it, go figure.

see, thats actually better than a lame bait ;)

what I want is leadership or legislative experience. I know you hate the latter, but its not about being part of the swamp. making laws that work, anticipating the unintended consequences is hard, much harder than people think. if you are not a strong leader, you need to be someone who can get things done in the legislative processes. That will not always be a career politician, plenty of commercial/nfp roles work in this space too

making money is also not leadership. a ceo in many companies (esp private ones) is a dictator, and that leadership style doesnt work in govt

they used to call politics the art of compromise. people loath it, but there is a reason nothing is getting done in DC for the past 2 decades. its a combination of people unwilling to inspire the other side to work with them, and people who refuse to realize a mandate doesnt mean you get to ignore the other half of the house. This is an issue both sides struggle with, and the solution isn't "go harder to the left/right"
 
not really yet. as per below, no one has gotten me on board yet, and im waiting to see how they shake out after Iowa and New Hampshire. campaigns tend to sort out those who can actually campaign and lead, so im hoping this proves to be the case again.


biden was dead man walking before he started. this age, past issues with women, or past issues with african americans was always gunna bring him down. the fact he wont shut up about obama isnt helping either. he's not the biden candidate, hes the "I used to work with obama" candidate

sanders has an intense core of support, but he wont ever get the centralists on board. hes the guy who can change the agenda (as he has with health), but he is too polarizing to win

warren i find far too school teacher like, but she has surprised me. her launch was embarrassingly awkward, and she earned SFA early on, but she has turned it around. I think he reeks of VP candidate though, and I think trump with destroy her

harris i was initially hopeful for, but she has fallen off the tracks. its not her record as a prosecutor that is killing her, but her lack of agenda or idea of what her campaign is about (other than winning). she needs to find a reason for people to get behind her, or she wont survive till the final 6

buttigeig has surprised me, but the data is everything. he is still flat in the polls and its only is money contacts that is keeping him alive. hes not ready yet for leadership, maybe VP or use this as a tilt for the senate before running again

booker has been far too inconsistent. his good is alarmingly good, but its too infrequent. has to turn it around soon

yang is a great campaining candidate, but has too small a platform. he should have been dead long by now, but him still being alive shows he is engaging with people. he needs to broaden his issues focus however. I'd love to see him in cabinet or the senate

beto, put a fork in him because he is useless on the national stage

castro i had little time for intially, but he genuinely blew me away with a few of his hour long interviews. he could do it, but needs to lift his consistency and his profile. not sure if its him being a weak campaigner or this team are badly managing him, but he disappears off the national discussion far too often to be a credible candidate today

klubuchar i have similar to castro. could be a legit threat, but hasn't got her campaign out of second gear

gabbard i want to like, but something seems off. always one step forward, two steps back for me. not sure why, she's the one Ive struggled to get a read on the most

steyer i couldnt give two fu**s about

I agree with 98% of this (you can guess which part is the missing 2%).

Do we all think Trump will still be there for the election? Will Pence be part of the fall out? All of that could make things very interesting.
 
I don't think a lifetime of public service, where they become very wealthy somehow (accusations of widespread corruption in US politics), makes for a candidate who can be in touch with the majority of Americans.

Every four years we go through a cycle where candidates for the people bob up and are beaten to the nomination by more seasoned, career politicians who haven't held a job outside of government work in decades.

Personally, I think the veto power of the president should be held by someone using it to protect the interests of the people as well as the defense of the constitution. Currently we have a debate about whether someone embedded in the political machine is better suited to operating the political machine while speaking with the same mouth about how horrible the political machine is.

More of the same doesn't make for any actual change, every time someone gets picked who knows how to work the system and keep the game going how it has, making a lot of politicians very wealthy. As soon as someone was elected from outside that system the system began turning to work against it, go figure.

It's been noted that when the Dems have nominated an experienced candidate in the last few decades, they lose. When a fresh, young, new to the scene candidate is chosen, they've won. Just sayin' ...
 

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I agree with 98% of this (you can guess which part is the missing 2%).

Do we all think Trump will still be there for the election? Will Pence be part of the fall out? All of that could make things very interesting.

trump wont be going anywhere

clinton took a year, watergate was nearly 18 months

he wont jump because he genuinely believes the trumpians will keep in him power no matter what

dems need to get used to the fact he will be the 2020 candidate
 
Thank you Crow54 and Ned_Flanders for bringing this thread back to a reasonable discussion. It's early days yet and much can happen between now and Super Tuesday. I'm looking forward to next week's debate. Hopefully some of the chaff will be winnowed away after it and bring the candidates down to a more manageable(debate-wise) number.
 
The MSM doesn't talk about Pete a lot, therefore name recognition is still low. He doesn't do as well in the national polls as he does in the State polls, where's he's been visiting most often.

I would argue that the hundreds of thousands of supporters who have donated to his campaign are inspired.

The people who turned out in West Sacramento were inspired.

The people who gave him two standing ovations at the NAACP 50th Freedom Fund Banquet were inspired.




It's early days yet. Obama's polling was lower than Hillary's to start with, and look how that went ...

The 'MSM' don't talk about him because nobody cares about him.
 
gabbard i want to like, but something seems off. always one step forward, two steps back for me. not sure why, she's the one Ive struggled to get a read on the most
With full respect, do you think that the support from the right could be a factor in turning you and/or others away from Tulsi or Yang?

Some horrific alt right types jumped behind Yang, and I genuinely don't know if they were serious or not in their support, but I feel that they significantly hurt his chances.

Tulsi is hardly right wing or even centrist, she has some far left views, but she IMO is the best chance at peace in the US and abroad. She was the only candidate to initially oppose the latest impeachment distraction, suggesting that America is already violently divided, and that this process would only make that worse.

Despite some far left policies that I don't understand, she seems like a true "uniter" to me.

I like Yang, because he seems to be the only candidate preparing for future issues, instead of simply scoring points on the "here and now" issues. He seems far brighter and less sociopathic than the more establishment types, e.g. Harris... cringe.
 
With full respect, do you think that the support from the right could be a factor in turning you and/or others away from Tulsi or Yang?

Some horrific alt right types jumped behind Yang, and I genuinely don't know if they were serious or not in their support, but I feel that they significantly hurt his chances.

Tulsi is hardly right wing or even centrist, she has some far left views, but she IMO is the best chance at peace in the US and abroad. She was the only candidate to initially oppose the latest impeachment distraction, suggesting that America is already violently divided, and that this process would only make that worse.

Despite some far left policies that I don't understand, she seems like a true "uniter" to me.

I like Yang, because he seems to be the only candidate preparing for future issues, instead of simply scoring points on the "here and now" issues. He seems far brighter and less sociopathic than the more establishment types, e.g. Harris... cringe.

i am a guy who is in favour of deregulation, free markets, ending subsidization of dying industries, and reducing company/income taxes for increases in consumption taxes. what part of that sounds like i am in the socialist left of the ALP?

I agree with Yang's policies, but my issue is he doesn't have enough. His stuff of innovation is great, but outside that its wafer thin. Thats why I said he would be someone I love in cabinet, he is great at his area of concern, less the big picture thinker.

For Gabbard, I legit dont get it. She hasn't said anything i disagree with, but she hasn't said anything that excites me either. She's one I should be liking, but something isn't firing yet.

When biden crashes out his votes will go somewhere, and both should be big beneficiaries. On current form, I dont think they will, but its not too late to turn that around.
 
Warren has officially overtaken Biden as the DNC front runner in the polls.
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The Ukraine stuff will (rightly or wrongly) continue to hurt Biden. That and the fact he has a creepy aura.
Bernies health problems make him un-electable in my opinion. You cannot elect a 79 year old into the WH with a history of heart attacks.
Warren seems less problematic, but I can guarantee you that Trump will have a field day with her heritage claims. She will face tough opposition from the corporate establishment as well.

Will a competent DNC candidate please stand up ?
 

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He had well under half the individual donors that Sanders had in the past quarter.

He'll hopefully bow out soon.

These figures read differently.

Buttigieg, Sanders and Warren lead in Illinois Money Chase

Total estimated* number of donations per candidate in Illinois through June 30, 2019:

Bernie Sanders - 32,114

Pete Buttigieg - 20,078

Elizabeth Warren - 17,591

Joe Biden - 9,395

Kamala Harris - 8,995


Also, no plans to drop out any time soon.

"... there are many reasons why we’re in this and why I’m going to stay in it. ... So we’re definitely in this to go the distance and feeling increasingly bullish about how this is going to unfold."

From: An Interview with Mayor Pete
 
These figures read differently.

Buttigieg, Sanders and Warren lead in Illinois Money Chase

Total estimated* number of donations per candidate in Illinois through June 30, 2019:

Bernie Sanders - 32,114

Pete Buttigieg - 20,078

Elizabeth Warren - 17,591

Joe Biden - 9,395

Kamala Harris - 8,995


Also, no plans to drop out any time soon.

"... there are many reasons why we’re in this and why I’m going to stay in it. ... So we’re definitely in this to go the distance and feeling increasingly bullish about how this is going to unfold."

From: An Interview with Mayor Pete
I misread, he is a little over half of Sanders:

Mr. Schmuhl’s memo said more than 580,000 individual donors had contributed to the Buttigieg campaign since it launched in January


Bernie Sanders’ campaign says that it has received contributions from more than 1 million individual donors and that it’s the first in the crowded 2020 Democratic presidential field to do so.


He's too robotic and doesn't really seem to stand for anything other than being elected. I can't see him going much further from here. He's going to need a lot more of that corporate money to compete.
 
I misread, he is a little over half of Sanders:







He's too robotic and doesn't really seem to stand for anything other than being elected. I can't see him going much further from here. He's going to need a lot more of that corporate money to compete.
Pete’s campaign’s been going for just six months. I think Bernie may have had a bit of a head start. #RobotPeteForTheWin
 
These figures read differently.

Buttigieg, Sanders and Warren lead in Illinois Money Chase

Total estimated* number of donations per candidate in Illinois through June 30, 2019:

Bernie Sanders - 32,114

Pete Buttigieg - 20,078

Elizabeth Warren - 17,591

Joe Biden - 9,395

Kamala Harris - 8,995


Also, no plans to drop out any time soon.

"... there are many reasons why we’re in this and why I’m going to stay in it. ... So we’re definitely in this to go the distance and feeling increasingly bullish about how this is going to unfold."

From: An Interview with Mayor Pete
Looks like I'm in that!
 
Are you concern trolling?

If not, no. I'd rather Sanders try to do something positive for their nation than have another dud Democrat like Buttegieg, Biden or Harris.
What about Warren ?

You have to admit that Bernie having a heart attack makes him severely less electable.

If he does become President, he will be 83 at the end of his first term and 87 at the end of his second. With a history of heart attacks there is a high chance he dies in office.
 
What about Warren ?

You have to admit that Bernie having a heart attack makes him severely less electable.

If he does become President, he will be 83 at the end of his first term and 87 at the end of his second. With a history of heart attacks there is a high chance he dies in office.
Warren and Sanders are only superficially similar. Warren is closer to the other Democrat candidates than she is Sanders.

My concerns aren't how 'electable' he is. I care more about what he can do for people.
 
It's been noted that when the Dems have nominated an experienced candidate in the last few decades, they lose. When a fresh, young, new to the scene candidate is chosen, they've won. Just sayin' ...

And when these fresh, young candidates have become President they have revealed themselves to be just as shitty as any Republican.
 

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