List Mgmt. 2021 Draft and Trade Hypotheticals

[Ticky009]

Hi everyone, for those interested some great links plus the Big Footy Draft, Trade & Free Agency twitter as per below:

 

[Dubai Quacker]

I'm just interested in seeing how the season plays out.

Who knows our perceived area of need may be completely different at the end of the year compared to what we thought it was even a couple of weeks ago.
And of course at this stage equally who knows what our draft/trade currency (picks/players) will be.

I don’t think the need for a ruck is going to dissipate.

 

[hairy biker]

I don’t think the need for a ruck is going to dissipate.

Agreed.
But it's more about how we fill that need.
Pick up a youngster in the mid-season/national draft, trade for a developing ruckman at the end of the year etc?
And those decisions will be at least partially influenced by the performance of Hickey, the availability of Sinclair/Naismith and perhaps even the development of Lachlan McAndrew in the reserves (a 200cm plus (ex rugby union) ruck being tutored by the old master in Steven Taubert).

Not suggesting there's any harm in throwing up names we might be interested in (across all positions), merely that what we see our needs as now may not be our most urgent needs at the end of the season and how we address those needs may also change (eg a player become 'surplus' and could be considered as trade bait).

 

[mtooler]

I'm just interested in seeing how the season plays out.

Who knows our perceived area of need may be completely different at the end of the year compared to what we thought it was even a couple of weeks ago.
And of course at this stage equally who knows what our draft/trade currency (picks/players) will be.

Fair call.

 

[Chaisa]

Attempt at a squad for the next 3-4 seasons:

B: Rampe/Gould (hopefully) - Melican - Cunningham
HB: Lloyd - T McCartin - Dawson
C: McInerney - Rowbottom - Stephens
HF: Heeney/Parker - McDonald - Blakey
F: Papley - P McCartin/McLean - Gulden
R: Hickey - Mills - Parker/Heeney

Int: Campbell - Florent - Warner - Wicks

Others: Hayward, Hewett, Ling (if he develops), maybe Clarke, maybe Bell, any future good draft picks.

From that, I think we need:

* Ruckman - this is obvious. Hickey is 30, Sinclair will be 32 by the end of the season. Naismith turns 29 this season and is basically finished due to injures. No real younger options. Has to be worth thinking about.
* Key position players. McDonald is going to be a superstar. Tom McCartin

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Tom Mccartin

Age

24

Ht

194cm

Wt

99kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.3

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

3.7

3star

M

3.7

4star

T

1.6

4star

MG

129.5

2star

D

7.2

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

2.8

2star

M

3.2

3star

T

0.8

1star

MG

87.4

2star

D

9.0

3star

K

5.0

2star

HB

4.0

3star

M

2.8

3star

T

2.0

4star

MG

168.0

3star

is going to be very good. But who else is there? Melican is OK but a bit of a plodder. I think he's fine but I'd love a better option down back. There's still no evidence to say that Paddy McCartin will make it and he's not on our list yet anyway - someone could poach him. McLean's decent but is he good enough to be the 2nd tall? Rampe's now 30 and Gould might not make it. So getting taller names in especially down back has to be a goal longer-term.
* Small defenders? Seems weird but Cunningham and Lloyd aren't that young, Dawson might be better suited up the ground and Campbell's long-term future should be up the ground. I wouldn't waste a first round pick on one but I think looking at one later in the draft wouldn't be a bad option.
* Inside mid? Probably less of a concern with Mills looking good there but it's still only one game. Besides, you can never have enough gun mids especially given that we like to have multiple-position players.

 

[Dubai Quacker]

Agreed.
But it's more about how we fill that need.
Pick up a youngster in the mid-season/national draft, trade for a developing ruckman at the end of the year etc?
And those decisions will be at least partially influenced by the performance of Hickey, the availability of Sinclair/Naismith and perhaps even the development of Lachlan McAndrew in the reserves (a 200cm plus (ex rugby union) ruck being tutored by the old master in Steven Taubert).

Not suggesting there's any harm in throwing up names we might be interested in (across all positions), merely that what we see our needs as now may not be our most urgent needs at the end of the season and how we address those needs may also change (eg a player become 'surplus' and could be considered as trade bait).

I’d just like to see us draft a young ruck who has come through the traditional development channels.

We’ve muddled through via lots of mature age recruits, code-swappers and experimental types, but I can’t recall the last time we drafted a ruckman.

It requires a bit of patience, but I’d like to see it happen this year.

 

[Kiama Chris]

Attempt at a squad for the next 3-4 seasons:

B: Rampe/Gould (hopefully) - Melican - Cunningham
HB: Lloyd - T McCartin - Dawson
C: McInerney - Rowbottom - Stephens
HF: Heeney/Parker - McDonald - Blakey
F: Papley - P McCartin/McLean - Gulden
R: Hickey - Mills - Parker/Heeney

Int: Campbell - Florent - Warner - Wicks

Others: Hayward, Hewett, Ling (if he develops), maybe Clarke, maybe Bell, any future good draft picks.

From that, I think we need:

* Ruckman - this is obvious. Hickey is 30, Sinclair will be 32 by the end of the season. Naismith turns 29 this season and is basically finished due to injures. No real younger options. Has to be worth thinking about.
* Key position players. McDonald is going to be a superstar. Tom McCartin is going to be very good. But who else is there? Melican is OK but a bit of a plodder. I think he's fine but I'd love a better option down back. There's still no evidence to say that Paddy McCartin will make it and he's not on our list yet anyway - someone could poach him. McLean's decent but is he good enough to be the 2nd tall? Rampe's now 30 and Gould might not make it. So getting taller names in especially down back has to be a goal longer-term.
* Small defenders? Seems weird but Cunningham and Lloyd aren't that young, Dawson might be better suited up the ground and Campbell's long-term future should be up the ground. I wouldn't waste a first round pick on one but I think looking at one later in the draft wouldn't be a bad option.
* Inside mid? Probably less of a concern with Mills looking good there but it's still only one game. Besides, you can never have enough gun mids especially given that we like to have multiple-position players.

Very fair thinking.
I suspect Malachy is destined for the BP if he makes it. Worth the gamble. O'Cpnnor still on the books as a tall defender too. Amartey has also played back.
McLean, Amartey and Paddy M you hope you get at least one good enough.
Suspect 2021 draft will see us pick up decent mids. Not wise to overload and lose good kids you can't give a game.
A ruck ABSOLUTELY. Think we did great to get Hickey who puts off the evil day but need a young bull at the end of this year. I think Hickey's game showed us that the requirements on a ruckman have changed quite a lot. McLean might come into his own here as the second ruck after Reid retires.

 

[Ticky009]

I get the feeling McLean is going to be used in Reid's role.

 

[rustycrate]

I get the feeling McLean is going to be used in Reid's role.

But is he up to it. That is the real question. A little on the small side for a tall forward. If we are pressing for finals we need guys that fill the role. Does he?

 

[Punts]

Merrett wouldn’t be a bad get

 

[caesar88]

But is he up to it. That is the real question. A little on the small side for a tall forward. If we are pressing for finals we need guys that fill the role. Does he?

He needs more confidence. On the weekend he twice got into the right position/outworked his opponent (one of those opponents being Harris Andrews) and could've slotted two very easy goals from doing so. Instead on both occasions he hand-passed it off to the two debutants. Yeah he did the team thing and turned two 95% likely goals into 100% certain goals, but he needed to treat last week as an audition for him to play a key forward role, which meant rewarding himself for his hard work. Had he done that, with Buddy coming back, the decision between Reid & McLean both coming off two goals each would've been a lot tougher. But he didn't do that, and now it's a no-brainer that obviously we'll play Reid off two goals over McLean off no goals.

Gotta seize those opportunities to show what he can do or he'll never be more than just a bit-player whenever we need a tall.

 

[Kiama Chris]

I get the feeling McLean is going to be used in Reid's role.

 

[Kiama Chris]

He needs more confidence. On the weekend he twice got into the right position/outworked his opponent (one of those opponents being Harris Andrews) and could've slotted two very easy goals from doing so. Instead on both occasions he hand-passed it off to the two debutants. Yeah he did the team thing and turned two 95% likely goals into 100% certain goals, but he needed to treat last week as an audition for him to play a key forward role, which meant rewarding himself for his hard work. Had he done that, with Buddy coming back, the decision between Reid & McLean both coming off two goals each would've been a lot tougher. But he didn't do that, and now it's a no-brainer that obviously we'll play Reid off two goals over McLean off no goals.

Gotta seize those opportunities to show what he can do or he'll never be more than just a bit-player whenever we need a tall.

Gotta say I disagree about those two choices. On the Gulden goal he was facing about 60° towards goal on the wrong side with Andrews in his hip pocket. If he had marked it, yes, go back and shoot but he was on his wrong side. Good play IMO.
The mark he took he thought about briefly for sure. Unmarked man in the goal square? No brainer. He did himself no harm with those choices.

 

[caesar88]

Gotta say I disagree about those two choices. On the Gulden goal he was facing about 60° towards goal on the wrong side with Andrews in his hip pocket. If he had marked it, yes, go back and shoot but he was on his wrong side. Good play IMO.
The mark he took he thought about briefly for sure. Unmarked man in the goal square? No brainer. He did himself no harm with those choices.

I think the former would've required a fairly routine snap at goal, the latter a shot he easily could've nailed. Point is he had every right to go for both shots as a key forward and the odds were in his favour of nailing them.

He made good choices both times by doing the team thing and making them certainties for sure, but he was selfless and you don't get too far as a key forward by being selfless. He's done it on a number of occasions in the past before as well. Needs to just back himself and if he fails then he fails, but it would be good for his development to learn to take the onus upon himself every now and then.

 

[BruceFromBalnarring]

I think the former would've required a fairly routine snap at goal, the latter a shot he easily could've nailed. Point is he had every right to go for both shots as a key forward and the odds were in his favour of nailing them.

He made good choices both times by doing the team thing and making them certainties for sure, but he was selfless and you don't get too far as a key forward by being selfless. He's done it on a number of occasions in the past before as well. Needs to just back himself and if he fails then he fails, but it would be good for his development to learn to take the onus upon himself every now and then.

I don't agree with this. Reid has made a very good career at the Swans. Perhaps you don't win fans on BigFooty, but astute coaches are only interested in the score, not the goal kicking ladder.

 

[caesar88]

I don't agree with this. Reid has made a very good career at the Swans. Perhaps you don't win fans on BigFooty, but astute coaches are only interested in the score, not the goal kicking ladder.

I agree. I wasn't criticising McLean, I even in the autopsy thread that his give-off to McDonald for his third was my moment of the night as it typified the team-oriented way we played all night. But for his own sake as an individual presumably wanting to string multiple games together, he needed to make an undeniable case against dropping him. Having two goals to his name definitely would've helped with that. It could've been a confidence booster to start his year. Thinking about the result and thinking about your individual form can, sometimes, be the same thing.

From a team perspective though it was fantastic to see, and why I am a fan of McLean and was even before we recruited him. He is a team-first guy through and through. Dermott Brereton who coached him as a junior is also a big fan.

 

[DeadlyAkkuret]

Can’t fault McLean. We need to hang on to him, he’s a Reid clone in a sense where he could be a Mr. Fixit and he’s unselfish like Reid.

Every good team needs that guy. The LRT prototype.


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[Dubai Quacker]

Can’t fault McLean. We need to hang on to him, he’s a Reid clone in a sense where he could be a Mr. Fixit and he’s unselfish like Reid.

Every good team needs that guy. The LRT prototype.


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Comparing Reid and McLean to the great man is just sacrilegious.

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

Can’t fault McLean. We need to hang on to him, he’s a Reid clone in a sense where he could be a Mr. Fixit and he’s unselfish like Reid.

Every good team needs that guy. The LRT prototype.


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McLean is the type of player we have lost to "opportunity" i hope we dont make the same mistake again and retain him otherwise its another Membrey/Nankervis scenario.

 

[DeadlyAkkuret]

Comparing Reid and McLean to the great man is just sacrilegious.

I think you know what I mean. LRT is almost like an urban legend but Reid and McLean have similar attributes.


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[BloodySwan]

Get Cripps, we need someone who can win a clearance. Can't be relying on Kennedy much longer

 

[RUNVS]

Get Cripps, we need someone who can win a clearance. Can't be relying on Kennedy much longer

Terrible idea. You know that murder happens when Bloods and Cripps meet.

 

[DeadlyAkkuret]

Cripps needs to improve and show the form from a few years back. We would be making a mistake getting a broken Cripps but then again he might lift amongst our players.

I’ve been advocating the idea of recruiting him but he’s looked pretty lackluster.


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[Membling]

Cripps needs to improve and show the form from a few years back. We would be making a mistake getting a broken Cripps but then again he might lift amongst our players.

I’ve been advocating the idea of recruiting him but he’s looked pretty lackluster.


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If gonna break the bank would actually prefer Oliver.

 

[Punts]

Need a kd

would love balta to replace rampe

 

[Punts]

I don’t think tigers would even entertain the idea but I wonder if a decent contract would get balta to come

We did go after Jonas and Moore a few years back so we clearly rate and would give money to get a defender in.

he also provides run and very versatile

unless we are seeking an a grade mid which we also need imo. Kennedy will retire

Rampe is 31 this year

balta
Merrett
Cripps
Crouch
Bolton