2021 Draft and Trade thread

[Lazza16]

I have high hopes for Answerth. We know he can do a job defensively, he's tough and quick and tenacious. He's proved he can do a job on opposition small forwards. Also, I think he's about our only defender to have shown he has a natural instinct to run with the ball. It just hasn't happened since he's been out of the team. Sure, sometimes he will blast away it and kick it to an opposition defender down the line, but I always liked his dare and thought his composure and decision making will improve with more experience. I don't believe there is anything wrong with his kicking. Like Zac Bailey, when his career was in its infancy and he would get caught holding the ball alot when trying to take off from a pack, now he has a bit more awareness and knows when it's more likely to work. I'd love to have a fit Answerth available for team selection right now and think when he's fit he's the logical replacement for Birchall, albeit they are different types of players.

I also think Answerth is more attacking than most here seem to remember. It is clear in my mind Answerth running to the 50 and blazing away before he got injured.....his manic high leaping to produce unconventional spoils...he is unpredictable and exciting, perhaps to his detriment occasionally, but he is a goer and we could do with some more "goers". When fit he is our hb on the bench. Also somewhat concerned about Rich perhaps showing a bit of downturn recently.....hopefully age is not catching up with him.

Sean Darcy out of contract this seasons end.

 

[briztoon]

No one is writing Answerth off because of injury. Sometimes I wonder if you actually read other people’s posts, or if you have a comprehension issue.

Friendly reminder that Answerth was best 22 over Starcevich until he got injured. Writing him off because he's struggled with injuries is a silly thing to do.

 

[briztoon]

I would not mind seeing who is available ready made trade as well.
Our picks going to be end of first round, talent can be hit and miss there.

If we think there is 2-3 years development not sure that helps us next year.
Rich, Zorko, M Robbo, Birchall getting on in years. Birchall prob go this year.
So we need to replace those and also get more speed into midfield.

Why I go for Merrett or someone with the picks.
I do like how Hawks used to do it get known people for higher picks not kids. Let someone else do that.
Unless you have top 5-6 not sure what you get
Charlie and Neale been great for those picks we used.
Charlie 2017 pick 12 we could of used on players maybe 10-14 O'Brien, Bonar, Fogarty and Brander

Hawks are a bad example. Most of their trade ins came after their 3 peat, and failed to keep them competitive.

They are paying for trading away their draft picks now, as they have very few quality kids or players coming through.

As for this year’s draft, it appears to have good depth out to about 30 or 40 kids, depending on who you listen to.

I’d be pretty confident of getting two kids of a similar quality to Starcevich or Robertson with two late first round picks.

 

[briztoon]

Yep one or two could slide. Club are probably onto trading them for a top 10 pick but even then with the depth of this draft it may need to be a top 6 pick or so to be worth it

Unless we’re targeting a specific player in the top 10 (top 5), say Josh Sinn or Campbell Chesser, I wouldn’t be trading up.

If we do trade up, we’ve effectively traded 3 first round picks for 1 first round pick.

 

[Scubaveg]

Friendly reminder that Answerth was best 22 over Starcevich until he got injured. Writing him off because he's struggled with injuries is a silly thing to do.

Starcevich was battling his own injuries at the time. Answerth was not selected in front of him. Starcevich wasn’t available.


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[jjami15]

Hawks are a bad example. Most of their trade ins came after their 3 peat, and failed to keep them competitive.

They are paying for trading away their draft picks now, as they have very few quality kids or players coming through.

As for this year’s draft, it appears to have good depth out to about 30 or 40 kids, depending on who you listen to.

I’d be pretty confident of getting two kids of a similar quality to Starcevich or Robertson with two late first round picks.

Not quite true. Josh Gibson, Brian Lake, Jack Gunston and David Hale come to mind as players traded in prior or during their three peat.

I have a bit of faith in our recruitment team. We have had more hits than miss lately in the draft and to bring in 2 players who could be best 22 in a few years would only strengthen the squad.

I have a group of names I like, with sort of an order to them, and it’s strongly influenced by my perceived list needs.

It’s also still early in a badly disjointed season for the Vic U19’s, it’s hard to tell if many or any, apart from Daicos, have played to their full potential.

And someone I like, but have dismissed because they’re rated in the top half of the first round, might slide come draft night.

Kids who I’m following from the NAB League are:
Josh Goater
Ned Long
Darcy Wilmot
Sam Banks

There are quite a few WA boys who sound like they would suit our needs as well.

Two tall mids and two HBF, I would add Lewis Rayson to that list. Goater’s athletic profile is very interesting but could see him rise. Ned Long I am very interested to see what he is like.

 

[bungalow_bill]

Who did the Dees draft last year with our 2 first rounders?

 

[mpal6]

Who did the Dees draft last year with our 2 first rounders?

Bowey and Laurie. There was chatter we enquired about Bailey Laurie and Conor Stone.

 

[JasRulz63]

We were so close to getting Trent Rivers too I remember, before Melbourne pipped us in 2019.

 

[mpal6]

We were so close to getting Trent Rivers too I remember, before Melbourne pipped us in 2019.

Jordan Ridley before that, went one pick before Witherden. Lot of near misses.
One good thing - our talent identification has been really strong so far.

 

[briztoon]

Not quite true. Josh Gibson, Brian Lake, Jack Gunston and David Hale come to mind as players traded in prior or during their three peat.

I have a bit of faith in our recruitment team. We have had more hits than miss lately in the draft and to bring in 2 players who could be best 22 in a few years would only strengthen the squad.

Two tall mids and two HBF, I would add Lewis Rayson to that list. Goater’s athletic profile is very interesting but could see him rise. Ned Long I am very interested to see what he is like.

Sorry, I was thinking post 3 peat, when they kept trading for known players instead of going back to the draft.

 

[briztoon]

Who did the Dees draft last year with our 2 first rounders?

It’s not so much who the Dees drafted with those two picks. It’s more about who was still available at those two picks.

Nathan O’Driscoll, Jack Carroll, Sam Berry, and Shannon Neale would have been players I would have been interested in.

However it wasn’t a very deep draft, with what I thought the decent talent topping out around picks 15 to 17.

Unlike the 2019 draft where the decent talent went out to 30’ish.

 

[briztoon]

Jordan Ridley before that, went one pick before Witherden. Lot of near misses.
One good thing - our talent identification has been really strong so far.

If you watch the Melbourne draft day video, they thought we were trading up ahead of them to get Rivers.

Don’t know what it would have taken to trade up two spots with North. We had already traded away our future second round pick in the trade to move up one spot for Robertson.

 

[mpal6]

If you watch the Melbourne draft day video, they thought we were trading up ahead of them to get Rivers.

Don’t know what it would have taken to trade up two spots with North. We had already traded away our future second round pick in the trade to move up one spot for Robertson.

Yep, they were after Comben who would've been available later anyway. One of those close misses.

 

[Berrygood]

I like the idea of getting Ed Richards, a better more consistent option than Ah Chee down back. I prefer Ah Chee fwd. At worst he adds strength and depth to our evolving defensive unit, as we move past Birchall and Lester, and hopefully into a younger, quicker, more attacking defense. Richards, Madden, Answerth, Prior in the same squad provides stiff competition. Starce, Rich, Andrews, Gardiner, Payne. Lester n Adams for one more year. Brock Smith and Carter Michael developing and a cpl of years off. Draft in the best tall kpd we can and I think our defensive stocks would very good.

 

[briztoon]

I like the idea of getting Ed Richards, a better more consistent option than Ah Chee down back. I prefer Ah Chee fwd. At worst he adds strength and depth to our evolving defensive unit, as we move past Birchall and Lester, and hopefully into a younger, quicker, more attacking defense. Richards, Madden, Answerth, Prior in the same squad provides stiff competition. Starce, Rich, Andrews, Gardiner, Payne. Lester n Adams for one more year. Brock Smith and Carter Michael developing and a cpl of years off. Draft in the best tall kpd we can and I think our defensive stocks would very good.

With a player like Ed Richards, is he moving to be a fringe best 22/depth player?

Better off staying where he is then, or moving to Collingwood.

 

[Quigley]

Unless we’re targeting a specific player in the top 10 (top 5), say Josh Sinn or Campbell Chesser, I wouldn’t be trading up.

If we do trade up, we’ve effectively traded 3 first round picks for 1 first round pick.

Sinn has not had a great year so far. If he does not have a great championship it will be interesting to see where he lands. Not out of the question he could be there for us.

 

[briztoon]

Sinn has not had a great year so far. If he does not have a great championship it will be interesting to see where he lands. Not out of the question he could be there for us.

Yeah, I’m thinking out of the top performers from the U16 Championships, Sinn and Rachelle might be the two who slide.

Not sure what’s going on with Sinn. Is it that he hasn’t continued to grow his game, or other are going past him.

I know there has been some discussion about his (poor) decision making. But he appears to have all the tools. Nice height and size, good skills, good speed and athleticism.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Draft watcher PMBangers has skipped the taller midfielders to give us Cooper Murley and Sam Banks in his latest phantom draft. He had this to say about Murley:

Yeah being at 178 cm (last measurement update I did at least) he's on the shorter side, I can't help but see a little bit of Butters in how he plays though, obviously not to the same level but the confidence to take opponents on at ground, in the air and with ball in hand, and the execution of winning the ball is similar in the sense that both just have damn good technique. Got some zip and is, for my money, one of the hardest workers in the pool. Will be one to watch closely at the champs as I expect him to rise when he's got a guy like Horne working with him in there

 

[Warwick]

With a player like Ed Richards, is he moving to be a fringe best 22/depth player?

Better off staying where he is then, or moving to Collingwood.

Agree. At our stage we’ve got to look past players who ‘offer depth’. We’ve got depth at the moment in Answerth, Michael, Prior etc at HB as an example.

We need to target those who are almost guaranteed best 22 players. Will obviously cost more, and they may not be available but needs to be our go. If they are not there, head to the draft.

We’ve been succesful with blokes like Linc but we’ve also burnt a lot of decent picks lately in order to bring in fringe players, trade up on draft night, or to secure speculative future picks (ie Port / Melbourne first rounders).

I agree we need to look at every avenue to improve the list but we can’t be getting too cute with our currency. We don’t want to end up with 10+ blokes on the list who are better than VFL standard but not up to AFL level.

 

[jjami15]

Agree. At our stage we’ve got to look past players who ‘offer depth’. We’ve got depth at the moment in Answerth, Michael, Prior etc at HB as an example.

We need to target those who are almost guaranteed best 22 players. Will obviously cost more, and they may not be available but needs to be our go. If they are not there, head to the draft.

We’ve been succesful with blokes like Linc but we’ve also burnt a lot of decent picks lately in order to bring in fringe players, trade up on draft night, or to secure speculative future picks (ie Port / Melbourne first rounders).

I agree we need to look at every avenue to improve the list but we can’t be getting too cute with our currency. We don’t want to end up with 10+ blokes on the list who are better than VFL standard but not up to AFL level.

Great post. I would go so far as to say if you are to bring in they should fill a vital need or be A grade.

 

[chopperduck]

Should be aiming to have about 10 blokes that are depth players if you are in a serious flag windows. Players that would be best 22 in teams down the other end of the ladder. Still think experienced depth is an entire strength people overlook, especially for untried youth.

 

[Quigley]

Morris is saying the Saints might let Billings go if they can get first round compensation.

Offer both our first round picks imo. I think he would be a great get for us and would be just the kind of player we need. There is plenty of upside there I think.

 

[Quigley]

Double post

 

[Quigley]

Should be aiming to have about 10 blokes that are depth players if you are in a serious flag windows. Players that would be best 22 in teams down the other end of the ladder. Still think experienced depth is an entire strength people overlook, especially for untried youth.

True but you don't want to tie up too much money on guys not in the 22.