2021 Draft and Trade thread

[KissKiss]

Mentioned in the previous page. Josh Dunkley was father son to Sydney, but wanted to stay in Victoria.

Blakey was father son eligible to Brisbane and North, but chose to stay at Sydney as an academy selection.

I think with Dunkley he had an agreement with Sydney. Wanted to stay in Melbourne but if an interstate team bid on him Sydney would match it. Or something like that

 

[Scubaveg]

One of Merritt, Gutherie or Bolton please.


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[briztoon]

I think with Dunkley he had an agreement with Sydney. Wanted to stay in Melbourne but if an interstate team bid on him Sydney would match it. Or something like that

Yep he did.

 

[cotter101]

Would love us to go hard at Shai Bolton. Wonder what our cap is like after list changes?

 

[Cubs2Lions]

So what players are the Lions looking at I know one is Zac Merrett any others?

North, Brisbane eye Bulldog speedster

North Melbourne and the Brisbane Lions are among the clubs who are eyeing talented Western Bulldog Ed Richards, who is coming out of contract this year.

www.theage.com.au

Ed Richards from the Bulldogs was another player we are looking at in this year's trade period, for additional depth in our running defender & winger positions at the club.

 

[ManeMan]

North, Brisbane eye Bulldog speedster

North Melbourne and the Brisbane Lions are among the clubs who are eyeing talented Western Bulldog Ed Richards, who is coming out of contract this year.

www.theage.com.au

Ed Richards from the Bulldogs was another player we are looking at in this year's trade period, for additional depth in our running defender & winger positions at the club.

He'd be a good get I reckon. Wasn't great last year, but has massive upside. Good pace, great kick. Would only cost a second rounder. I hope we go after him.

 

[blueiris]

North, Brisbane eye Bulldog speedster

North Melbourne and the Brisbane Lions are among the clubs who are eyeing talented Western Bulldog Ed Richards, who is coming out of contract this year.

www.theage.com.au

Ed Richards from the Bulldogs was another player we are looking at in this year's trade period, for additional depth in our running defender & winger positions at the club.

Where does he fit in our defence ? Rich Starz Andrews Ah Chee Gardiner Answerth Payne
Edit; Would expect Madden to be elevated as well

 

[briztoon]

Where does he fit in our defence ? Rich Starz Andrews Ah Chee Gardiner Answerth Payne
Edit; Would expect Madden to be elevated as well

Move Ah Chee forward or to a wing. Madden replaces Answerth. And potentially he’s a long term successor to Rich.

I’m an Answerth fan, but I don’t believe he makes our best 22 side anymore, or even as a first choice reserve. I believe others will go past Answerth.

As for the Richards rumours, I’d say they’re b.s. anyway.

 

[a mayes ing]

Move Ah Chee forward or to a wing. Madden replaces Answerth. And potentially he’s a long term successor to Rich.

I’m an Answerth fan, but I don’t believe he makes our best 22 side anymore, or even as a first choice reserve. I believe others will go past Answerth.

As for the Richards rumours, I’d say they’re b.s. anyway.

Much like how we need 2 good distributers, l feel like we can't rely on Madden to provide all the run/speed out of defence which is why l would have Answerth in there too. He provides a good balance of defensive accountability and offensive run. When he was playing, l remember him giving ATW a bath so he is a pretty good small defender

 

[Quigley]

Much like how we need 2 good distributers, l feel like we can't rely on Madden to provide all the run/speed out of defence which is why l would have Answerth in there too. He provides a good balance of defensive accountability and offensive run. When he was playing, l remember him giving ATW a bath so he is a pretty good small defender

Answerth is a good lock down defender but he does not provide enough offensively at the moment and makes too many mistakes when he does get the ball. He is competing with Starcevich for that role and Starcevich has gone a fair way past him as things currently stand.

I am not a big Ah Chee fan as a defender and I think we have better options up forward. For team balance though I do like him on the bench as a utility player. He is reasonable in both and the cover he can provide in a given game situation is valuable.

We do need to plan to replace Rich in the next year or two. Michael has shown an ability to accumulate plenty of the ball in the back half in the reserves and if I am honest has looked better than I expected. He came in with an overblown reputation as an elite kick and whilst he is nowhere near that he is decent and has the fundamentals to improve in this area. Personally I like Prior for the role. He has good strength and has an aggressive attitude for the ball which I like. When he is in space he has also shown he is a very nice kick. Not at the Rich standard but certainly above the other young options we have at the moment.

Madden adds size, strength and pace allowing him to cover mistakes that are made. That should not be underestimated and I think he balances out the unit nicely. He is attacking with the ball in hand and will become more so as he gets more comfortable at AFL level. He still keeps his eyes down too long when he is kicking it which results in inconsistency with his disposal. He often will make really nice kicks and miss others he should make where he misses a nuance of what other players are doing by not having his head up. His kicking style is more Colm Begley than Pearce Hanley at the moment.

 

[briztoon]

Much like how we need 2 good distributers, l feel like we can't rely on Madden to provide all the run/speed out of defence which is why l would have Answerth in there too. He provides a good balance of defensive accountability and offensive run. When he was playing, l remember him giving ATW a bath so he is a pretty good small defender

For me, he’s much more a lockdown small defender, that provides some run and carry when he has the space to run, but he’s not genuinely fast where he can burn most opponents.

Looking at this year’s draft pool, and where prospects are ranked by a few of the draft watchers, there are at least 3 genuinely fast small defenders who are all good or very good kicks of the ball.

 

[briztoon]

And what Quigley said.

 

[a mayes ing]

Answerth is a good lock down defender but he does not provide enough offensively at the moment and makes too many mistakes when he does get the ball. He is competing with Starcevich for that role and Starcevich has gone a fair way past him as things currently stand.

I am not a big Ah Chee fan as a defender and I think we have better options up forward. For team balance though I do like him on the bench as a utility player. He is reasonable in both and the cover he can provide in a given game situation is valuable.

We do need to plan to replace Rich in the next year or two. Michael has shown an ability to accumulate plenty of the ball in the back half in the reserves and if I am honest has looked better than I expected. He came in with an overblown reputation as an elite kick and whilst he is nowhere near that he is decent and has the fundamentals to improve in this area. Personally I like Prior for the role. He has good strength and has an aggressive attitude for the ball which I like. When he is in space he has also shown he is a very nice kick. Not at the Rich standard but certainly above the other young options we have at the moment.

Madden adds size, strength and pace allowing him to cover mistakes that are made. That should not be underestimated and I think he balances out the unit nicely. He is attacking with the ball in hand and will become more so as he gets more comfortable at AFL level. He still keeps his eyes down too long when he is kicking it which results in inconsistency with his disposal. He often will make really nice kicks and miss others he should make where he misses a nuance of what other players are doing by not having his head up. His kicking style is more Colm Begley than Pearce Hanley at the moment.

For me, he’s much more a lockdown small defender, that provides some run and carry when he has the space to run, but he’s not genuinely fast where he can burn most opponents.

Looking at this year’s draft pool, and where prospects are ranked by a few of the draft watchers, there are at least 3 genuinely fast small defenders who are all good or very good kicks of the ball.

Appreciate the detailed responses. Maybe all the time out has made me think he is more offensive than he truly is. Our current options that are in the b22 just provide 0 run out of the d50, it is all kick, mark, stop, kick, makr, stop etc. I remember when he was in the d50 he did run out of the d50 on occasion. I am sure the coaches know that they need a runner out of the d50 so l am surprised that Madden hasn't been in the seniors more often.

 

[briztoon]

Appreciate the detailed responses. Maybe all the time out has made me think he is more offensive than he truly is. Our current options that are in the b22 just provide 0 run out of the d50, it is all kick, mark, stop, kick, makr, stop etc. I remember when he was in the d50 he did run out of the d50 on occasion. I am sure the coaches know that they need a runner out of the d50 so l am surprised that Madden hasn't been in the seniors more often.

I’m pretty sure the coaches have developed the best game plan that suits our current players and their skill sets.

A lot of us would like to see more run and carry from defence, but that also requires more run from our midfielders, and not all our midfielders have the tank for that.

 

[Quigley]

Appreciate the detailed responses. Maybe all the time out has made me think he is more offensive than he truly is. Our current options that are in the b22 just provide 0 run out of the d50, it is all kick, mark, stop, kick, makr, stop etc. I remember when he was in the d50 he did run out of the d50 on occasion. I am sure the coaches know that they need a runner out of the d50 so l am surprised that Madden hasn't been in the seniors more often.

I really think it is a deliberate game plan. We have had some very good runners in our team at times this year and even when the likes of Berry and Sharp were in there and we did not depart from the slow down the line approach with little or not width or use of the run. That makes it very hard for guys who actually could contribute with a more expansive game style. Virtually none of our wingers get much in the way of outside possessions.

Hopefully as we transition to the next group we use those strengths more and we are not too restrictive in the game we play. I have been a critic of Horse in Sydney not adapting his game style to his players. This year when he finally has the team has actually been competitive again.

 

[KissKiss]

Agree that its definitely a game plan decision in how we kick mark out of the back line. Especially in then going long down the line often to a stoppage. We very rarely run the ball until its past the centre circle. We dont play until there when the ball gets into the front-running players (Zorko, Bailey, McCluggage as the main ones that seem to have licence to run)

 

[bungalow_bill]

For me, he’s much more a lockdown small defender, that provides some run and carry when he has the space to run, but he’s not genuinely fast where he can burn most opponents.

Looking at this year’s draft pool, and where prospects are ranked by a few of the draft watchers, there are at least 3 genuinely fast small defenders who are all good or very good kicks of the ball.

Who would be your preference at our first pick -which is looking like 15-18?

 

[jjami15]

For me the greatest difficulty in being to be able to identify our greatest need and accessing that via the draft is not the now but future. It’s a good problem to have actually. A team’s midfield always needs building and it will be interesting to see what we do list wise at the end of the year. Birchall and Rich are in the latter years so HBF. They would be my two areas of need and maybe more HBF than mid. Surprisingly I think the KPD would be the next area of need. Andrews is a pillar back there and really we need Payne to step up but outside of that what do we have (Ballenden sadly I don’t see it)? So one of either HBF (kicking elite), mid (depending on list structure at the end of the uear) and KPD.

 

[ForzaRoma]

Friendly reminder that Answerth was best 22 over Starcevich until he got injured. Writing him off because he's struggled with injuries is a silly thing to do.

 

[jackess]

I really think it is a deliberate game plan. We have had some very good runners in our team at times this year and even when the likes of Berry and Sharp were in there and we did not depart from the slow down the line approach with little or not width or use of the run. That makes it very hard for guys who actually could contribute with a more expansive game style. Virtually none of our wingers get much in the way of outside possessions.

Hopefully as we transition to the next group we use those strengths more and we are not too restrictive in the game we play. I have been a critic of Horse in Sydney not adapting his game style to his players. This year when he finally has the team has actually been competitive again.

I think Fagan very successfully implemented a game plan to reduce being scored heavily against and we’re still yet to take the next step probably because we are waiting on Rayner, Bailey, Madden, Sharp, Berry, etc. to take the next step.

We still setup in our ball movement to defend a turnover unless Rich, Clug and maybe a couple of others have the ball. Even Charlie when he gets the ball up the field is one of the worst offenders in slowing the play down.

Similarly the midfielders setup defensively at clearances. Often letting the opponents have first use of the footy as long as we can pressure the disposal and hopefully turn it over.

We’re also not a long running team like Richmond who built their game on getting more numbers to a contest and running in waves and we probably won’t be able to do this much with our current setup because we’re so defensive.

I also think because our forwards are so good in the contest and we have Andrews intercepting and a few scrappers in our backline we can make up for not having a midfield that really hurts the opposition on the turnover.

 

[ManeMan]

I have high hopes for Answerth. We know he can do a job defensively, he's tough and quick and tenacious. He's proved he can do a job on opposition small forwards. Also, I think he's about our only defender to have shown he has a natural instinct to run with the ball. It just hasn't happened since he's been out of the team. Sure, sometimes he will blast away it and kick it to an opposition defender down the line, but I always liked his dare and thought his composure and decision making will improve with more experience. I don't believe there is anything wrong with his kicking. Like Zac Bailey, when his career was in its infancy and he would get caught holding the ball alot when trying to take off from a pack, now he has a bit more awareness and knows when it's more likely to work. I'd love to have a fit Answerth available for team selection right now and think when he's fit he's the logical replacement for Birchall, albeit they are different types of players.

 

[davemc_lions]

I would not mind seeing who is available ready made trade as well.
Our picks going to be end of first round, talent can be hit and miss there.

If we think there is 2-3 years development not sure that helps us next year.
Rich, Zorko, M Robbo, Birchall getting on in years. Birchall prob go this year.
So we need to replace those and also get more speed into midfield.

Why I go for Merrett or someone with the picks.
I do like how Hawks used to do it get known people for higher picks not kids. Let someone else do that.
Unless you have top 5-6 not sure what you get
Charlie and Neale been great for those picks we used.
Charlie 2017 pick 12 we could of used on players maybe 10-14 O'Brien, Bonar, Fogarty and Brander

 

[briztoon]

Who would be your preference at our first pick -which is looking like 15-18?

I have a group of names I like, with sort of an order to them, and it’s strongly influenced by my perceived list needs.

It’s also still early in a badly disjointed season for the Vic U19’s, it’s hard to tell if many or any, apart from Daicos, have played to their full potential.

And someone I like, but have dismissed because they’re rated in the top half of the first round, might slide come draft night.

Kids who I’m following from the NAB League are:
Josh Goater
Ned Long
Darcy Wilmot
Sam Banks

There are quite a few WA boys who sound like they would suit our needs as well.

 

[davemc_lions]

Friendly reminder that Answerth was best 22 over Starcevich until he got injured. Writing him off because he's struggled with injuries is a silly thing to do.

Although Starcevich was injured when Answerth was getting games.
Not sure many times they both not injured together since drafted
Edit.. I like Answerth although Starc playing that role.. Maybe Starc takes Birchall/Ah Chee role and Aswerth comes in
Although probably see how Madden goes
I did not think Answerth disposal was as bad as others on here..

 

[bungalow_bill]

I have a group of names I like, with sort of an order to them, and it’s strongly influenced by my perceived list needs.

It’s also still early in a badly disjointed season for the Vic U19’s, it’s hard to tell if many or any, apart from Daicos, have played to their full potential.

And someone I like, but have dismissed because they’re rated in the top half of the first round, might slide come draft night.

Kids who I’m following from the NAB League are:
Josh Goater
Ned Long
Darcy Wilmot
Sam Banks

There are quite a few WA boys who sound like they would suit our needs as well.

Yep one or two could slide. Club are probably onto trading them for a top 10 pick but even then with the depth of this draft it may need to be a top 6 pick or so to be worth it