List Mgmt. 2021 draft pool.

[Lore]

 

[tiger_tough]

Adding to that.
Its all about what xtras the clubs can offer for pick 2.
With both Crows & Hawks in full re build mode i doubt they'll give a future 1st.
Their next picks this year are 33 & 21.We can trump with 15.
So do we give up 7 & 15 for pick 2
Go to the draft with 2/26/27/28

Think I'd prefer 7, 15, 26, 27, 28 to 2, 26, 27, 28. If anything I think we should be looking to add another first rounder, not losing one. The more highly rated kids we can get onto the list now the better off we'll be in 2-3 years time when Cotchin, Edwards, Grimes and Riewoldt are all gone.

Something like 27, 28 and Norths future 2nd for Saints 9 and future 3rd or Essendons 11 and future 3rd I'd be happy with. Use 7, 9/11, 15 and 26.
Could also get real keen and do 7 and 26 to Crows for 4 if there's someone we want around that pick that won't last to 7. Use 4, 9/11, 15 and source another later pick from somewhere else like 51 from Essendon rather than the future 3rd above.

 

[Oshka]

If we get a Jack Graham equivalent at pick-7 (9) I’d be pretty happy.

Jesus Christ.

 

[59Stanley]

I'm not convinced its Callaghan that we are targeting I reckon its Hobbs.

Don't want another Cale Morton we need a little pit bull like Hobbs.
Draper and Johnson are tantalising prospects later in the first round.

 

[DeLaCon]

Jack Graham

34

Jack Graham

Age

26

Ht

181cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.7

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

6.8

4star

M

2.1

2star

T

6.3

5star

CL

1.8

4star

D

11.8

3star

K

5.3

2star

HB

6.5

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

4.2

5star

CL

1.2

4star

D

14.0

4star

K

6.0

3star

HB

8.0

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

7.0

5star

CL

3.2

5star

is a future captain if our club. His performance to play out the final with a smashed shoulder is the stuff of legend. People attacking him in here should hang their head in shame. He runs from contest to contest, kicks key goals when we need them, tags out champions when we need someone to stop an opponent. He is a terrific Richmond man and we should all be proud to have him in our lineup.

 

[DeLaCon]

Im think we want Hobbs ... even though I prefer Ward a Hobbs Johnson combo at 7 and 15 would be terrific for us. Add in a Zac Taylor and a Rhett Bazzo and Williams from WA and we will walk away from the draft like bandits

 

[Laffy2Chaffey2Daffy]

The only thing i would like to see is some classy left footers on our list .

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I'm afraid their all right footers.

Draft for right footers, trade for left footers.

Tigers lean to the left (richmondfc.com.au)
Tiger left-foot legends (richmondfc.com.au)

 

[AstuteTiger]

I'd much rather try and do 7 15 & 26 for GWS 2 & 13. Which means we get our pick of the crop at 2 and Amiss/JVR at 13, while GWS gets Andrews another quality kid at 15 and has 26 to match a bid on Fahey.

I love it but let's be serious GWS would have to be out of their mind to do that deal, for us it would = highway robbery at its finest.
Now, imagine if 2 and 13 were our picks and we gave up pick 2 for pick 7 and pick 13 for pick 15, but got back 26 as some sort of sweetener, we would march down to punt road demanding answers.

 

[AstuteTiger]

Im think we want Hobbs ... even though I prefer Ward a Hobbs Johnson combo at 7 and 15 would be terrific for us. Add in a Zac Taylor and a Rhett Bazzo and Williams from WA and we will walk away from the draft like bandits

Agree on Hobbs more likely, as Ward from what we hear Hawks will grab him. I very much doubt Johnson makes it to pick 15 (hope he does), but the eagles surely will grab him at pick 10

 

[Grrr]

Jack Graham is a future captain if our club. His performance to play out the final with a smashed shoulder is the stuff of legend. People attacking him in here should hang their head in shame. He runs from contest to contest, kicks key goals when we need them, tags out champions when we need someone to stop an opponent. He is a terrific Richmond man and we should all be proud to have him in our lineup.

Who's attacking him. You obviously rate him very highly, some like myself rate parts of his game, yes he is tough and does a power of running and team work, but in 5 years he would never have a single best on.

But for an early/mid first rounder I'd hope for something a bit more exciting or a bit of a gun.

 

[fargothegreat]

I'd sooner move up to pick two than take picks 9 and 17. It's the absolutely elite talent that wins you flags, and you're more likely to find that player in the first few picks.

 

[energyquant]

Who's attacking him. You obviously rate him very highly, some like myself rate parts of his game, yes he is tough and does a power of running and team work, but in 5 years he would never have a single best on.

But for an early/mid first rounder I'd hope for something a bit more exciting or a bit of a gun.

Brownlow medal count: 3 votes - Jack Graham that is

 

[Grrr]

Brownlow medal count: 3 votes - Jack Graham that is

Got 3 coaches votes votes behind Fyfe 10, Vlastuin and MacIntosh 4. Umps or coaches.

 

[dean33]

Why didn't tom Mitchell come in?

I’d imagine it was 3 reasons.
He’s 29 next year.
Hawthorn wanted too much.
We don’t have the cap space.

 

[Rubber Hips]

No chance we take a ruckman with our first pick, Dimma would stab both Matty Clarke and Blair Hartley.

exactly…

-Soldo
-Nank
-Ryan
-Collina
-Miller can assist

add a ruck with our late picks….even PSD if we have a spot left

 

[bananatigz]

Seems like they really have their eye on someone early, happy for the club to trade up if they view someone as having potential star power, reality is you need a couple of those in the middle to compete at the top end.

I'd be equally happy to keep 7 and 15, 7 should hopefully still get us one of those top rated guys and 15 is a pretty good spot to be in this year imo. You'd take an Amiss/JVR (only 2 KPPs i'm super keen on honestly) or otherwise there are guys like Goater/Sonsie who were looked at as potentially top 5 picks at the start of the year and haven't really been on the park enough to be able to push their case that will be available around that mark.

We are in a pretty good spot whatever way it goes.

 

[cairo tiger]

its hobbs or bust. we need an inside bull.

 

[dean33]

exactly…

-Soldo
-Nank
-Ryan
-Collina
-Miller can assist

add a ruck with our late picks….even PSD if we have a spot left

The thing is you don’t need the best ruck in the comp to win the flag. I think Melbourne with Gawn are the first team for many years that have won with a star ruckman. Let other teams draft them at 18, develop them for 4-5 years and then trade for them.

 

[59Stanley]

Our ruck division with Soldo and Nank will match Melb. In fact our division is far more nasty which is a good thing.

 

[Grrr]

its hobbs or bust. we need an inside bull.

Doesn't necessarily translate to AFL. There are many good inside mids in the country, the only one you would have in the top 10 mids in the land is maybe Taylor Adams, and he has taken a long time to get there. Mitchell maybe. Prestia is also pretty close to top 10 when not injured.

Most of the dominant inside mids are all much bigger than Hobbs unless they are blessed with real speed like Neale. Hobbs looks pretty average speed to me.

 

[cairo tiger]

Doesn't necessarily translate to AFL. There are many good inside mids in the country, the only one you would have in the top 10 mids in the land is maybe Taylor Adams, and he has taken a long time to get there. Mitchell maybe. Prestia is also pretty close to top 10 when not injured.

Most of the dominant inside mids are all much bigger than Hobbs unless they are blessed with real speed like Neale. Hobbs looks pretty average speed to me.

look mate if he can get the pill and he turns it into a good move I am happy....we have a glaring weakness

 

[Ctl]

Think I'd prefer 7, 15, 26, 27, 28 to 2, 26, 27, 28. If anything I think we should be looking to add another first rounder, not losing one. The more highly rated kids we can get onto the list now the better off we'll be in 2-3 years time when Cotchin, Edwards, Grimes and Riewoldt are all gone.

Something like 27, 28 and Norths future 2nd for Saints 9 and future 3rd or Essendons 11 and future 3rd I'd be happy with. Use 7, 9/11, 15 and 26.
Could also get real keen and do 7 and 26 to Crows for 4 if there's someone we want around that pick that won't last to 7. Use 4, 9/11, 15 and source another later pick from somewhere else like 51 from Essendon rather than the future 3rd above.

Pick 9 and a future 3rd from the saints for pick 15, our future second and pick 28?

Go into draft night with 7 (9), 9 (11), 26, 27 probably end up being (29,30)

 

[Barnard]

Richmond have of late tended to go for something a bit special in our first draft pick of late.
Last year no early pick, but before that
2019 Dow - considered a bit of a reach but has x factor for sure.
2018 Collier Dawkins - again a stretch but high reward factor (hopefully).
2017 Higgins - an x factor player for sure, not going to hit the heights that they wanted but drafted for excitement
2016 Bolton - enough said
2015 Rioli - a stretch but drafted for excitement

2014 Corey Ellis - safe pick which didn't work
2013 Lennon - safe pick pick that didn't work

I hope they stick with the x-factor pick theory this year. Some risk big reward.

A lot of hate for selecting Ben Lennon and Corey Ellis in this board (not necessarily this post which is just stating fact) but I don’t view them as poor selections as such. Having known quite a lot of players there are different reasons that careers don’t go to plan, rarely is it anything to do with talent. Both these guys had serious weapons that could have justified first round selection. Corey Ellis just never had any confidence in himself and Lennon was almost the complete opposite, the game came so easily for him as a junior and he didn’t have the work ethic/desire to fight for a career. At the end of the day there is a only a small percentage that become superstars and then quite a few that pave out good careers as not much more than very good role players.

 

[tiger_tough]

Pick 9 and a future 3rd from the saints for pick 15, our future second and pick 28?

Go into draft night with 7 (9), 9 (11), 26, 27 probably end up being (29,30)

That seems like way overs for us. Move up 6 spots at the cost of two mid 2nd rounders.

 

[Damo80]

Graham is not in our best dozen players, which you'd want your pick 7 to be. He is a good role player who has potential to improve, hopefully this year, but he is not game buster. Bolton, Stack, Balta type talent is what you want with a first draft pick I would have thought.

Unlikely to get a game buster with 7 this year. Outside the big 4, just as likely to get a bust as an out and out gun. Or we play it safer with a Hobbs type (although nearly every phantom draft I've seen have him going top 5).

As Knightmare said, outside that top 4, you should be expecting a player who'll hopefully be around your best 10 players on list, which Graham wouldn't be too far off. If we get an A grader I'll be wrapt. But I'm managing my expectations.

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[Damo80]

...Lennon was almost the complete opposite, the game came so easily for him as a junior and he didn’t have the work ethic/desire to fight for a career. At the end of the day there is a only a small percentage that become superstars and then quite a few that pave out good careers as not much more than very good role players.

I reckon this is why a guy like Hobbs would appeal to us... When the club talks about "character", it's not necessarily "being a good boy from a good family..". It's that competitiveness, and have they shown they'll likely continue to push to get the best out of themselves. From what I've read on Hobbs, he's not the most talented guy in the draft pool, but has worked harder than most to get himself to the point that most have him top 5.


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