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Analysis 2021 draft thread
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Welcome to the Lions board. Family member / close friend of Tunstill.
Edit: Doh!!!, Jason beat me to it.
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Don't take anything you read here to personally. It's been a while since the last game and people are looking for vent session.
There'll be way more supporting and cheering him than the few that will hold on to the things they've said in the last 24 hours.
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Can anyone explain to me the mechanics of de-listing and then re-listing CEY?
Does his OG contract end and he enters into a new one? Why not pay him out and take another pick to the draft?
Essentially, why do they de-list and then re-list?
Does his OG contract end and he enters into a new one? Why not pay him out and take another pick to the draft?
Essentially, why do they de-list and then re-list?
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It doesn't alter his contract - similar to what the Suns were trying to do with Greenwood.
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Moving them to the rookie list we get to keep the player on for one more year so their original contract terms are fulfilled and we get to move $80k of their salary outside the cap. We don't break the contract, player gets everything they were entitled to with a chance to keep playing and we get a discount on their remaining salary.
I know what you mean about paying out and taking another player, I tend to think that is probably more beneficial from a club standpoint. I guess the argument in favour of re-listing a senior player is there's some slight cap relief and a developed player for depth rather than paying out the full salary for nothing and then paying another draftee's salary on top of that.
I'd probably still take the extra draftee over a player that is almost certain to be delisted once more and for good but I guess if the player drafted is gonna be a late pick and a long shot anyway the mature body probably more valuable.
I am completely with you on the Bazzo call, not sure why a team is letting him slip down so far. Gibcus is going off the board up high and you have someone like Bazzo drifting way down, that is a bargain in my eyes.
Tunstill was a little quiet bandwagon of mine and it was based on glimpses of talent.
Positives
- Elite inside work for someone of a slight frame, when you compare him to a Sheldrick and Co....
- Gets his hands free when tackled and stands up in the tackle, seems to have great core strength and great at getting the ball out of a contest.
- Reads the ball drop nicely
Negatives
- Lacks ability to create space
- Low production numbers due to being inside midfielder thoughts first
- Lack of versatility, not sure he can play anywhere other than inside midfielder, currently.
- I never really noticed his kicking, for bad or good. Hard to really tell how bad he will be under more pressure.
For a late round pick, he has traits to build on, just can he work around his downside.
I will be certainly watching him closely as he's a personal favourite.
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I was kinda hopeful we would trade next year's first rounder into this year but the more I think of it the better it was to keep it. Assuming we don't trade it for a player next year we'll almost certainly try to trade it into a 2023 first rounder. Assuming we do we should end up with enough points to cover the Ashcroft bid and two 2023 first rounders. Assuming Ashcroft goes top 3 that leaves us in a great position to then trade back into the 2022 first round for a high quality KP we like. Supposed to be plenty available. Or keep them and double dip in 23.
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Excuse the intrusion but I come in peace to wish this kid the very best.
I played against his Father who was an absolute gun and maybe the toughest hardest player in the notoriously tough Diamond Valley competition there was.
Grant was lost too young and I genuinely wish Darcy the best in his career and will follow his fortunes closely.
We didn't get an insight in to how the recruiters rate players, or what they're specifically looking for when they watch kids. It was basically these are the two kids we're hoping to get, and this is the list of kids between and just after "our" two kids. Nor was there much discussion about why we zeroed in on Wilmot or Lohmann specifically, what made them stand out from the other kids around the mark, or of a similar type.
There was a bit of discussion about what would we do if a slider fell to our first pick. So we focused in on Hobbs and Gibcus, and whether we would choose either of them over Wilmot. We were told we would select Wilmot ahead of Hobbs, but were left wondering if we would go Gibcus or Wilmot if they were both there. The recruiter in the room appeared himself to be leaning towards Gibcus, but questioned whether Conole would move away a needs based pick.
I know very little about any draft class. I have my favourites every year, and tend to watch them the most, and of course I see a few other kids while watching the kids I like. The NAB League app is garbage for watching games. The sooner they go back to live YouTube streams, the better. I couldn't give you an opinion of Lohmann or Tunstill.
I said early in the year that Wilmot was a Lions type player, a kid the club would value pretty highly because of his defensive traits. I don't know if Wilmot has the scope to play midfield down the track. I feel his best position will be halfback. We have drafted a decent flank now over the last two drafts with Wilmot, Sharp and Lohmann now running up down one side of the field.
We drafted a halfback, a medium forward and an inside mid. All with pace and the ability to play defence and offence. They're all medium to long term kids, though Wilmot could play early, similar to Harry Sharp.
It was interesting to hear that we had Tunstill at 25 on our list. He wasn't discussed by any of the draft watchers at all during the year, didn't appear on anyones list or rankings from memory. He does have the profile and athletic attributes of the type of inside mid I believe we need on our list. He just appears to be pretty raw, and to be a longer term project player. I do like the selection, as by our third pick there was barely anyone left on board I really liked for the Lions.
As I mentioned previously, the recruiter at the Brisbane function said we wouldn't be looking for a midfielder this draft, unless some one we really rate slid to our third pick.
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Very interesting that we had Tunstill at 25. From my extremely limited vision he does have a fair bit to like. Has a ball winner's instincts and is really good at getting his arms in a position to release the footy constructively. Will need to get a lot stronger to do that at AFL level but he looks like he has a frame that will fill out well to me. Covers the ground pretty well too. Time in the gym and Neale to tutor him and we might have a decent mid on our hands.
Something else the recruiter mentioned was that after next season, lists and the salary cap might return to pre-covid numbers. That the last two trade periods were really constrained because every clubs list and salary cap were tight, but next trade period should be pretty active again.
This will potentially mean we don't have to delist many players for list spots to take to the national draft, and that we could potentially have a couple of rookie list spots for academy kids.
This will potentially mean we don't have to delist many players for list spots to take to the national draft, and that we could potentially have a couple of rookie list spots for academy kids.
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Do you know whether Harry Taylor is apart of our academy for next year? His size might really limit him but he's so quick and agile and his kicking off both feet is really impressive.
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We surely anticipated the return to/rise of the salary cap with us balancing our payments and not asking our players to take an additional pay cut. We'll be really well placed to bring in a decent player through trade/FA. Good news if list sizes return to normal too. Having to only delist 2-3 players and then have 5-6 spots would be great.
Where is this rating information?
Lions had two draft functions, one in Brisbane on the first night, one in Melbourne on the second night. We were told the clubs rankings of players. Heavily influenced by club needs, as well as interviews, kids who are likely to stay, etc.
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Cal Twomey already asking can we have a 2022 draft thread 
And yes he says Will Ashcroft is a possible top pick
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And yes he says Will Ashcroft is a possible top pick
Eye on the future: 10 draft prospects to watch in 2022
Draft guru Callum Twomey looks ahead to the best prospects in 2022
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pulpdriver
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Cal Twomey already asking can we have a 2022 draft thread
And yes he says Will Ashcroft is a possible top pick
Eye on the future: 10 draft prospects to watch in 2022
Draft guru Callum Twomey looks ahead to the best prospects in 2022
Feels pretty good to get a top tier pick in a manner you know there will be no contention or argument about. I will need buckets if we manage to win the flag and have him coming in.
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Jam-packed full of talls I see.Cal Twomey already asking can we have a 2022 draft thread
And yes he says Will Ashcroft is a possible top pick
Eye on the future: 10 draft prospects to watch in 2022
Draft guru Callum Twomey looks ahead to the best prospects in 2022
pulpdriver
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Jam-packed full of talls I see.
1/5 of every top prospect being a tall fine this far out.
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It would be mighty nice to win a Premiershup and then get a number 1 pick for points value only.Feels pretty good to get a top tier pick in a manner you know there will be no contention or argument about. I will need buckets if we manage to win the flag and have him coming in.
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Same as this year.
