Analysis 2021 draft thread

[mattsmob]

“If” we got Sinn at our first pick, and held on to 20, can’t think of many other players I’d prefer at 20.

Just from the top of my head I'd probably rather either of the two WA KPP, Wilmott, Brown or Butler.

 

[briztoon]

Just from the top of my head I'd probably rather either of the two WA KPP, Wilmott, Brown or Butler.

If we got Sinn at 14 and kept 20?

I’d trade back for Bazzo. Wouldn’t see Wilmot or Brown as needs, after getting Sinn. Butler I’m on the fence about.

 

[mattsmob]

If we got Sinn at 14 and kept 20?

I’d trade back for Bazzo. Wouldn’t see Wilmot or Brown as needs, after getting Sinn. Butler I’m on the fence about.

Ideally Sinn moves further up the ground either to the wing or midfield so I wouldn't have too much issue going another flanker/outside player. Agree with trading back if possible although I could see Bazzo going early 20's so could be a bit risky.

 

[dlanod]

If we got Sinn at 14 and kept 20?

I’d trade back for Bazzo. Wouldn’t see Wilmot or Brown as needs, after getting Sinn. Butler I’m on the fence about.

Who would be willing to trade up and what would we get?

It's nice to say trade back and get more picks next year for example, but it only works if anyone actually wants to pay a premium to get to our pick.

 

[briztoon]

Who would be willing to trade up and what would we get?

It's nice to say trade back and get more picks next year for example, but it only works if anyone actually wants to pay a premium to get to our pick.

I believe Geelong or Richmond would pay a future second round pick to move up.

Who would I trade up for? Callaghan, Erasmus, Goater or Sinn.

 

[POBT]

I may be in the minority but I wouldn't replace Mitch with a like for like, with our inside mids I'd be trying to find a really classy outside mid/winger.

I wouldn't necessarily want another Robinson but I do think that whoever we select has to be capable of winning their own footy. I think there's a tendency to be seduced by guys who get fed the ball on the outside at junior level and that style doesn't really translate to senior level. You don't need to have a Mitch Robbo who craves contact but the best outside/wing types can still win a contest, even if they tend to keep width.

I am intrigued by Owens - I'd certainly not be unhappy with him as a selection at our 2nd pick. It looks to me like he could be a bigger bodied mid, could be a tall wingman or could play a half back type role. That potential versatility doesn't guarantee that he will be a player but, a bit like Jared Berry when we first drafted him, we might not be signing him to play the same role at senior level as he did in the juniors. I just like the component parts. Good height, decent size, good athletically and it seems like a good work ethic. There are worse starting points for someone selected at pick 20.

 

[BuntonRules]

Reading the AFL Draft Central bio, he reads like a Lions type player.

Mitch Owens Draft Profile

central.rookieme.com

Worth a punt from that. Mich Owens, come on down.

 

[mattsmob]

I wouldn't necessarily want another Robinson but I do think that whoever we select has to be capable of winning their own footy. I think there's a tendency to be seduced by guys who get fed the ball on the outside at junior level and that style doesn't really translate to senior level. You don't need to have a Mitch Robbo who craves contact but the best outside/wing types can still win a contest, even if they tend to keep width.

I am intrigued by Owens - I'd certainly not be unhappy with him as a selection at our 2nd pick. It looks to me like he could be a bigger bodied mid, could be a tall wingman or could play a half back type role. That potential versatility doesn't guarantee that he will be a player but, a bit like Jared Berry when we first drafted him, we might not be signing him to play the same role at senior level as he did in the juniors. I just like the component parts. Good height, decent size, good athletically and it seems like a good work ethic. There are worse starting points for someone selected at pick 20.

The one I'd really like to see given a full uninterrupted season on the wing is Ah Chee, can win the hard ball, can get back and defend/intercept, can get forward and take a grab and knows where the goals are.

 

[Quigley]

I wouldn't necessarily want another Robinson but I do think that whoever we select has to be capable of winning their own footy. I think there's a tendency to be seduced by guys who get fed the ball on the outside at junior level and that style doesn't really translate to senior level. You don't need to have a Mitch Robbo who craves contact but the best outside/wing types can still win a contest, even if they tend to keep width.

I am intrigued by Owens - I'd certainly not be unhappy with him as a selection at our 2nd pick. It looks to me like he could be a bigger bodied mid, could be a tall wingman or could play a half back type role. That potential versatility doesn't guarantee that he will be a player but, a bit like Jared Berry when we first drafted him, we might not be signing him to play the same role at senior level as he did in the juniors. I just like the component parts. Good height, decent size, good athletically and it seems like a good work ethic. There are worse starting points for someone selected at pick 20.

As far as Robbo goes I really like McMillan in next year's draft as someone who looks like he could step into that role. I went back and watched the Tasmania game again and came away more impressed by him than originally. HFF who can go into the mid and win his own ball. Hits things at pace and times his arrival very nicely. Very good tackler and solid skills. Really took over the game for Qld when he was moved onball in that game. He is a kid I will definitely be keeping an eye on next year.

As for this draft I saw one mock having us getting Sinn and Chesser and again the more I thought on it the more I liked it. Both similar types but when you combine them with Fletcher next year they could change the dynamic of our team. Add three excellent ball users to the team and options open up and it is harder to shut down individuals.

 

[Quigley]

The one I'd really like to see given a full uninterrupted season on the wing is Ah Chee, can win the hard ball, can get back and defend/intercept, can get forward and take a grab and knows where the goals are.

He just does not win enough of the ball and even when he does he does not have a great deal of hurt factor. He does not really have a feel of where to run to receive. Personally I am going to be interested to see how Sharp shapes up this offseason. He came from a long way back to win a spot in the first two rounds and with a full preseason this year I am hoping he can break out. Admittedly he also did not get as much of the ball as I would like although with his experience it was a bit more excusable.

 

[POBT]

Sharp is also the guy I want to see come through. That running capacity could be a weapon in the same way as Langdon was for Melbourne.

I think Ah Chee would need a big preseason to play full time wing. I don't mind him in that role but it does require the commitment to run up and back all day, often without reward.

 

[mattsmob]

He just does not win enough of the ball and even when he does he does not have a great deal of hurt factor. He does not really have a feel of where to run to receive. Personally I am going to be interested to see how Sharp shapes up this offseason. He came from a long way back to win a spot in the first two rounds and with a full preseason this year I am hoping he can break out. Admittedly he also did not get as much of the ball as I would like although with his experience it was a bit more excusable.

I'd still like to see him given the opportunity to solely focus on the one role, I don't believe he'd find any less ball than what Robbo does although you're right, if Sharp was to have a breakout season then he'd certainly be the one I'd like to see on a wing.

 

[M Malice]

16- Josh Goater/Josh Sinn.
20- Darcy Wilmot/Mitch Owens/KPP.

40 something- Sam Banks.

 

[jackess]

In order of preference (players likely to be available)

16: Wanganeen, Goater, Sinn, JvR
20: Wilmott, Chesser, Owens, Bazzo (unless van Rooyen drafted at 16) or Brown
40: Best available (leaning towards a skillful but not slow half back distributor if we haven't already drafted one)

I'm happy to reach for van Rooyen at 16 if we think he's the standout KPP prospect available. Build some KPP depth and develop a KPP/utility to come into the team in 3-4 years unless there's someone available with elite qualities or is a pretty safe bet to be an A grader.

Basically best available at the next couple of picks as long as their strengths compliment our midfield ie. long running and skillful while decent in the contest

 

[M Malice]

In order of preference (players likely to be available)

16: Wanganeen, Goater, Sinn, JvR
20: Wilmott, Chesser, Owens, Bazzo (unless van Rooyen drafted at 16) or Brown
40: Best available (leaning towards a skillful but not slow half back distributor if we haven't already drafted one)

I'm happy to reach for van Rooyen at 16 if we think he's the standout KPP prospect available. Build some KPP depth and develop a KPP/utility to come into the team in 3-4 years unless there's someone available with elite qualities or is a pretty safe bet to be an A grader.

Basically best available at the next couple of picks as long as their strengths compliment our midfield ie. long running and skillful while decent in the contest

Like it and I agree on NWM although I'm expecting him to be gone at least a few spots before our 1st selection.

 

[mattsmob]

In order of preference (players likely to be available)

16: Wanganeen, Goater, Sinn, JvR
20: Wilmott, Chesser, Owens, Bazzo (unless van Rooyen drafted at 16) or Brown
40: Best available (leaning towards a skillful but not slow half back distributor if we haven't already drafted one)

I'm happy to reach for van Rooyen at 16 if we think he's the standout KPP prospect available. Build some KPP depth and develop a KPP/utility to come into the team in 3-4 years unless there's someone available with elite qualities or is a pretty safe bet to be an A grader.

Basically best available at the next couple of picks as long as their strengths compliment our midfield ie. long running and skillful while decent in the contest

Pretty much agree with all this although I'd have JVR towards the back of the second group you've mentioned, really liked the look of Tom Brown as well and wouldn't have him too far behind Wilmott.

 

[jackess]

Like it and I agree on NWM although I'm expecting him to be gone at least a few spots before our 1st selection.

Probably wishful thinking but I think apart from the first few picks he's probably the one that could have the biggest impact during our current premiership push (if he can quickly build his fitness)

 

[wantok]

As far as Robbo goes I really like McMillan in next year's draft as someone who looks like he could step into that role. I went back and watched the Tasmania game again and came away more impressed by him than originally. HFF who can go into the mid and win his own ball. Hits things at pace and times his arrival very nicely. Very good tackler and solid skills. Really took over the game for Qld when he was moved onball in that game. He is a kid I will definitely be keeping an eye on next year.

As for this draft I saw one mock having us getting Sinn and Chesser and again the more I thought on it the more I liked it. Both similar types but when you combine them with Fletcher next year they could change the dynamic of our team. Add three excellent ball users to the team and options open up and it is harder to shut down individuals.

Good to see there is support for consideration of a Qlder.

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[briztoon]

Good to see there is support for consideration of a Qlder.

On SM-A525F using BigFooty.com mobile app

if they are good enough, we will draft them.

 

[briztoon]

Giving our list and draft a bit more thought.

Next year we’re likely to lose CEY and Ely Smith off the list, so JBerry will possibly be our only big bodied mid going in to 2023.

 

[jackess]

Giving our list and draft a bit more thought.

Next year we’re likely to lose CEY and Ely Smith off the list, so JBerry will possibly be our only big bodied mid going in to 2023.

All the more reason to play Starcevich in the middle

 

[mattsmob]

Giving our list and draft a bit more thought.

Next year we’re likely to lose CEY and Ely Smith off the list, so JBerry will possibly be our only big bodied mid going in to 2023.

He may be the only big bodied mid but we do still have Neale, Lyons and Robertson as inside mids so if we are going to draft another big bodied mid I'd hope they have some other strings to their bow ie. Johnson (class and ball use) Goater (explosiveness)

 

[twhowler]

Sharp is also the guy I want to see come through. That running capacity could be a weapon in the same way as Langdon was for Melbourne.

I think Ah Chee would need a big preseason to play full time wing. I don't mind him in that role but it does require the commitment to run up and back all day, often without reward.

I think he has all of the tools for a defensive small forward. Good pace. Good tackler. Willing to be a role-player. And as an added bonus can take a really good contested mark and is a very reliable set shot. Our forward when it is humming is great. When we are a bit off we see players such as Cameron and Daniher give no defensive effort. Ah Chee should be told you are our barometer, hunt the opposition, keep the ball in there, we don't care about goals or possessions, they are a bonus. He could also get a tagging job on players such as Caleb Daniel. He ran very free for large parts of our final. Cost us goals.

 

[T Rick]

Apparently Casey Voss has been spoken to by a couple of clubs - fingers crossed he gets another chance in the AFL.

 

[jackess]

Apparently Casey Voss has been spoken to by a couple of clubs - fingers crossed he gets another chance in the AFL.

Hasn't had a chance yet