Analysis 2021 draft thread

[Quigley]

Probably wishful thinking but I think apart from the first few picks he's probably the one that could have the biggest impact during our current premiership push (if he can quickly build his fitness)

I am thinking he could available when we pick. It is increasingly hard to impact at AFL level with no contested game whatsoever and that is where NWM sits at the moment and I think some teams are going to be wary. I think we should be one given our team which is heavily reliant on going from contest to contest.

 

[jackess]

I am thinking he could available when we pick. It is increasingly hard to impact at AFL level with no contested game whatsoever and that is where NWM sits at the moment and I think some teams are going to be wary. I think we should be one given our team which is heavily reliant on going from contest to contest.

So how do we become a team that isn't if we aren't recruiting good ball users?

 

[mattsmob]

I am thinking he could available when we pick. It is increasingly hard to impact at AFL level with no contested game whatsoever and that is where NWM sits at the moment and I think some teams are going to be wary. I think we should be one given our team which is heavily reliant on going from contest to contest.

Is the reason we play that way because we don't have the players able to play a different style? I also think NWM will be gone before our first pick but he'd be an unreal get for us, would be close to our best ball user already and has stepped up in every big game he's had. Personally I believe you can afford one of your wingers to be more outside minded as long as they're able to get up and down the ground and aren't afraid of contact which I don't believe NWM is.

 

[M Malice]

As long as NWM isn't as contest shy as Jared Polec

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Jared Polec

Age

32

Ht

187cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.6

5star

K

12.9

5star

HB

7.7

5star

M

3.7

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

2.0

4star

D

20.5

5star

K

13.1

5star

HB

7.4

4star

M

3.4

3star

T

3.1

4star

CL

2.9

4star

D

13.4

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

3.2

5star

CL

1.4

4star

or Tom Cutler

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Tom Cutler

Age

29

Ht

192cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.1

4star

K

11.7

4star

HB

6.4

4star

M

4.7

4star

T

1.7

4star

MG

317.5

4star

D

15.5

4star

K

9.5

4star

HB

6.0

3star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.5

2star

MG

317.5

4star

D

12.0

3star

K

8.4

4star

HB

3.6

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.0

3star

I'd be rapt to have him at the Lions.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

I have a feeling Port traded up the order specifically for Nasiah.

 

[Dalions]

I have a feeling Port traded up the order specifically for Nasiah.

Might need to move up a little more yet because I could see both the Sts and the Bombers taking him.

 

[jackess]

I have a feeling Port traded up the order specifically for Nasiah.

I think they did it because it was the best deal they could get for Ladhams

 

[jonnobackpocket]

Is the reason we play that way because we don't have the players able to play a different style? I also think NWM will be gone before our first pick but he'd be an unreal get for us, would be close to our best ball user already and has stepped up in every big game he's had. Personally I believe you can afford one of your wingers to be more outside minded as long as they're able to get up and down the ground and aren't afraid of contact which I don't believe NWM is.

I would suggest Rich, Clug and others would have him covered at this point….

 

[mattsmob]

I would suggest Rich, Clug and others would have him covered at this point….

I did say close to, kicking wise yes Rich would have him covered, the way he moves and uses the ball is very similar to Hugh just without the inside game. Other than those two I'm not sure who else would have him comfortably beat.

 

[jonnobackpocket]

I did say close to, kicking wise yes Rich would have him covered, the way he moves and uses the ball is very similar to Hugh just without the inside game. Other than those two I'm not sure who else would have him comfortably beat.

I think Bailey, Linc, Coleman, Chuck, Lachie and Starc are all very good users as well. IMO.

 

[mattsmob]

I think Bailey, Linc, Coleman, Chuck, Lachie and Starc are all very good users as well. IMO.

I think they're good users, I'd still take NWM I believe. Obviously he's never played at AFL level so it's hard to compare but from what he's done in junior to sanfl footy I think he's just as good and has some advantages over the guys you've named.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

In their phantom draft, Smythe has us taking Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera with our first pick, with a surprise selection at our second pick.

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[The Flying Belgian]

A demonstrated lack of contested game has been a reliable indicator of mediocre AFL careers for midfielders/flankers in recent times. I haven't been following the draft much over the past year, but I'd be disappointed if we went for players who haven't been winning the ball at junior level - seems to be one of those things that can't be taught.

 

[jackess]

A demonstrated lack of contested game has been a reliable indicator of mediocre AFL careers for midfielders/flankers in recent times. I haven't been following the draft much over the past year, but I'd be disappointed if we went for players who haven't been winning the ball at junior level - seems to be one of those things that can't be taught.

I think that's more the case if they don't have an elite outside game which you potentially get with him

 

[dlanod]

A demonstrated lack of contested game has been a reliable indicator of mediocre AFL careers for midfielders/flankers in recent times. I haven't been following the draft much over the past year, but I'd be disappointed if we went for players who haven't been winning the ball at junior level - seems to be one of those things that can't be taught.

Given Noble and Ambroglio's comments over the years at the draft nights, I'd be very surprised if we go someone who can't at least win their own ball in a pinch. It doesn't have to be a strength but it seems to be a minimum requirement.

 

[pulpdriver]

I think that's more the case if they don't have an elite outside game which you potentially get with him

Nup, elite outside game at juniors simply does not translate to AFL if you can only receive. Some clubs had to spend some very high draft picks to prove this theory.

 

[irel]

I think that's more the case if they don't have an elite outside game which you potentially get with him

We tried that with Cox and it did not end well.
First round pick is not one to experiment with. I would genuinely be surprised if he is picked in the top 30. He seems to be a Twomey elevated hype player.
Essendon may take him for the obvious romantic reason but again I will be surprised if they use a high draft pick.

 

[Dalions]

Nup, elite outside game at juniors simply does not translate to AFL if you can only receive. Some clubs had to spend some very high draft picks to prove this theory.

The funny thing is that we are crying out for some outside run and elite ball use with that last kick inside 50.
But the way we play the game we tend not to use them even if they are there waiting.

 

[Quigley]

Talking to a SANFL watcher he was pretty down on NWM and said that given a choice he would prefer Fejo. Skills very good but not quite at the NMW level but he has a solid contested side to his game and "is not afraid of a contest".

 

[David C]

Port just picked up Sam Skinner

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Sam Skinner

Age

27

Ht

197cm

Wt

99kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.0

2star

K

4.0

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.0

1star

T

3.0

5star

MG

101.0

2star

No current season stats available

D

9.0

3star

K

4.0

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.0

1star

T

3.0

5star

MG

101.0

2star

. Good to see him get another chance.

 

[POBT]

The grand final sides are an interesting study. Both had a winger with elite endurance who maintained width - Hunter and Langdon. Neither is particularly contested but they don't shirk a contest (Hunter obviously is happy drawing contact!). But the main thing they are expected to bring is not silky skills (especially in Langdon's case) but the willingness and capacity to push up and back in an endurance role.

On the other wing, they started with guys who played their junior careers onball (Brayshaw and Smith), with Brayshaw in particular known for his contested game, first and foremost. Those guys were expected to maintain width and did so in a semi-sacrificial way, ignoring their natural instincts to chase the footy. But they also played a bit narrower at times, when it was called for. Neither is what you'd call superbly skilled.

In both cases, "silky skills" aren't the priority for those roles, at least not without having the primary attributes covered off.

In our case, Robbo played the wide role and Hughie played the narrower role. But I don't think Hugh maintained width quite as much as Brayshaw/Smith. And, in Robbo's case, I admire the fact that he ignored his every instinct to play the wide role and not get sucked to the contest. He has been fantastic for a couple of years at tracking back to help the defence. But it's not his natural game, I don't think. Hugh is obviously skilled but it isn't Robbo's forte.

This part of our structure next year is going to be fascinating. There are a few options. We've spoken about Sharp who is clearly the endurance athlete on the list and looks most suited to the wide role. The second best runner at the club is Berry and his role for 2022 is a bit unknown. He looks a really good option for the Brayshaw/Smith role IMO but then I'd like to see what he can do inside. You then have Hugh who has been an elite wingman for a couple of years but looks to me like he's straining to be a fulltime mid. And then the likes of Bailey, Ah Chee or even Starce might also be looked at for that narrow role. And then there's Robbo who probably looks like the first man to drop out of the best 22 but we've thought that before.

And that's all assuming that what worked this year will be deployed next year. Maybe sides will see the value in having two wingers holding width and providing defensive coverage. Maybe there will be a shift to wingers with elite skills. Or we might see sides pushing wingers in again and having their half forwards push up more to wide roles. Or half backs will be asked to go wider and further forward.

I think selection wise, this is the most interesting part of our pre-season. For the last couple of years, we've been interested in the half back role, with a number of options all offering slightly different skill sets. Next year, I think the midfield/wing balance is going to be most up for debate. Even a simple change like increasing Hugh's time onball would create a whole bunch of decision points in terms of both team selection and tactics.

 

[RoyBoy17]

I agree with a lot on here about wanganeen and pure outside types in general. It’s ok being an outside player but the contest work still needs to be there when needed. Would prefer we don’t go there. He doesn’t even accumulate the ball in high numbers as well which for me is a must if his contested game is lacking. High risk pick.

 

[mattsmob]

Personally I wouldn't hesitate taking NWM at our first pick if he's there, I'm not sure if I've missed something but I haven't seen anything to suggest he's afraid of contact, in the first WA/SA game alone he backed into a pack a couple times taking the mark in one and getting cleaned up in another. He's certainly an outside player which is where you want him getting the ball. He's played a lot of senior footy this season and for a really lightly built kid that only rocketed up boards this year I think it's a good sign for his development. I haven't watched much of if any of NWM during his previous years so I'm not sure if he's always been this tall but it wouldn't surprise me if he's still growing into his body. I do agree that he's a higher risk pick compared to some others that may be available but with how good his outside game is matched with his size he could be something pretty special.

 

[jjami15]

I am glad that others here have raised NWM. I personally put him in the don’t want list for those exact reasons. I also put Goater on that list but for his lack of footskills.

 

[jackess]

I am glad that others here have raised NWM. I personally put him in the don’t want list for those exact reasons. I also put Goater on that list but for his lack of footskills.

Are his footskills any worse than Bailey's in his draft year?