No club has total unity, hence the trade period, delisting, etc
Lots of hedging going on by some suppoters at the moment
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No club has total unity, hence the trade period, delisting, etc
Lots of hedging going on by some suppoters at the moment
RoyalParade
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I've been a wait and see on fisher, but I think his time's up, need to move him on.
SPS and O'Brien will take massive pay cuts or go. I'm now thinking they both go too.
Gibbons, cottrell, murphy, Betts gone.
Put marchbank on rookie list.
Try and get 4 picks in the top 25 and nail them.
SPS and O'Brien will take massive pay cuts or go. I'm now thinking they both go too.
Gibbons, cottrell, murphy, Betts gone.
Put marchbank on rookie list.
Try and get 4 picks in the top 25 and nail them.
Something about Tom Papley springs to mind…
Indeed, more player traffic than ever before (maybe excl covid & player cuts), it’s just the way the AFL likes it for the trade radio period. Mid-season TP gathering momentum.
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Add Martin. Worked his ass off.
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OK. Its not unsubstantiated. You're just having a tanty because you can't bully more info out of someone.
Elmer_Hauser
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I think the so called culture problems we have over the past 20 years is attributed a lot to various shortcomings of the board and football department at the club (IE turning a blind eye to Fev's drunken behaviour for so long, refusing to hit the National Draft properly, too much trading and topping up of players from other clubs that didn't cut the Mustard)
We will never know how long term the ramifications of our Salary Cap Breach Penalities effected the overall morale and decision making of the players and club officials either.
Said it before (a few times now) but the SOS ans Liddle feud and fallout was very unhealthy for the club and unless privvy to more info that others here have (and understandably want to keep clandestine), I think both parties were/are at fault.
Everyone at the footy club from the President through to the boot studder needs to be cohesive/on the same page with the same agenda and no personal agendas or power trips going forwards, otherwise we will keep seeing the same mistakes repeated (its naive to think the political and footy department dramas do not effect the players in some way)
Once we get our act together in that way, like Richmond did with Peggy and Benny, and Geelong before that with Costa and Cook, we will be fine.
We will never know how long term the ramifications of our Salary Cap Breach Penalities effected the overall morale and decision making of the players and club officials either.
Said it before (a few times now) but the SOS ans Liddle feud and fallout was very unhealthy for the club and unless privvy to more info that others here have (and understandably want to keep clandestine), I think both parties were/are at fault.
Everyone at the footy club from the President through to the boot studder needs to be cohesive/on the same page with the same agenda and no personal agendas or power trips going forwards, otherwise we will keep seeing the same mistakes repeated (its naive to think the political and footy department dramas do not effect the players in some way)
Once we get our act together in that way, like Richmond did with Peggy and Benny, and Geelong before that with Costa and Cook, we will be fine.
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If we get our act together. Not once.
It's been nearly 20 years to get the off field stuff right. I doubt it happens. Far too many power hungry people involved who meddle in shit. Far too many past players who won a lot of accolades in a very different football landscape. A league where we were one of few realistic challengers year after year because of the unevenness of the competition. How many ex players from the 70s and 80s pop up with an unhelpful quote when things aren't going well. They feel because the won multiple premierships when we could buy them or had zoning rights to guns they can talk about the club in a completely new environment where there is a salary cap (which even our 90s stars probably don't appreciate) and a draft.
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I’m not sure why you would play Redman as a third tall defender, who is handy but about 6’1 when you can play three near elite defenders in Jones, Weitering and Ridley in their most natural positions.
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Their tall backs (Laverde, Ridley and Redman all 187-192cm) play above their heights. I'd rather any 2 of them + Weitering on a list rather than Jones who despite good intercepts is a liability kicking the footy and can kamikaze too often causing more havoc than good.
Plus he is 30 with limited scope for improvement compared to their guys who are under 25.
Jones being a bad kick is a complete myth.
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Mot sure that you understand the meaning of unsubstantiated.
I would imagine that we have spoken to the managers of numerous players in regarding players intentions next year.
I would also imagine that their are other clubs doing the same with some of our players.
Somehow there seems to be a bit of a clique saying that it's all gloom and doom because there are teams talking to a couple of our young players.
I've no doubt that we have spoken to Cerra's management, Merritt's manager (early on) etc. See its no big deal for clubs to inquire about other players.
If these young players can't see a changing environment at the club and the potential in the list then it might be best for them to move on .
I have no interest in bullying you or "having a tanty."
It just seems that their appears to be a bit of a clique that seems to be passing off opinions as fact, taking joy at Teague's demise and making out things like this are like the sword of Damocles hanging over the clubs head
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He lacks peripheral vision. So many kicks are on target but get end up getting cut off. It's his decision making that lets him down.
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He's definitely not a bad kick (71% efficiency), but that does rank him in the bottom 3rd (bellow average) in the league across all key defenders.
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Stewart, Laverde and Ridley take the talls first, Redman is a last resort.
Probably 70% of Redman’s touches are easy uncontested football, about 70% of Jones are from intercepts. Redman offers absolutely no intercept football, is undersized, losses 3 times more one on ones and you want him to play third tall because Jones has about 1 more poor kick per week.
Edit. Ridleys best spot is third tall, Redman is undersized and only a handy footballer in that role. Why have an average player playing and push Ridley out of his best position when you have someone like Jones who can play that role, arguably better
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Could be because he tries to take things on rather than stat pad by regularly kicking sideways?
ferrisb
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The rest of the list is pretty spineless....
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I think Ridley would be more than capable on a 2nd with Redman doing the Plowman job on a 3rd forward. JW, Jones & Ridley would be overkill on the intercept game which we already see a bit with us. If I was building a hypothetical list from scratch Jones would be well down the list due to his age and ability to cough up an easy goal a game with a barely VFL standard kick. With Stewart and Jones probably ahead of him.
Basically the only area of the list we have them covered is in the tall forward stocks but even there we are light on bodies.
I'd have their group of tall defenders + Weitering. Their group of small defenders, small forwards & midfielders + Walsh. Ruck stocks we are very light on bodies but TDK is as good as Draper. Wright well ahead of Casboult/McDonald.
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It’s not about building a side it’s about now. If you’re worried about having too many interceptors wouldn’t the best one on one defender in Jones be at the top of the list over someone who is average? Redman doesn’t defend much, doesn’t intercept and isn’t a big ball winner. He is a solid handy player
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PS - What's wrong with Saad? I've been really happy with both his effort and performance this year...
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It's more that Jones will often take the attacking option when trying to bring the ball out of d50 in order to open up the play.
