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All players bar one were willing to take a pay cut, but only 6 actually needed to take one.
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thylacine60
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poster in question has gone from a reasonably good contributor to the superhero we now know as the red fingernail........
Justnetime
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Im with you Ash. I do think SoS put us in a good position but Martin, Cripps, Weitering, McKay, Williams, Cerra, Saad all are significant. And Walsh to ask for some big bucks. Docherty And Hewett above average. Maybe a few like C Curnow, McGovern , JSoS around the mark or a bit over. Then we have players that will ask for more very soon. Stocker, Philip and Kemp.
Some of those latter names are interchangeable but we have some players who might play well next season asking for a jump.
We are in the window. We haven’t performed but our age demographic and advertised Saad/Williams salaries suggest we are in the window. Will get tough. Other clubs around mid to high table are finding it tough. Doubt we are an exception.
It can actually be challenging to meet your minimum player payments, what is one of the reasons why some get paid so much. A list like ours would have those challenges. Guys like McGovern and Martin actually help with that. Before that we overpaid some players short term and used them as salary dumps. People get annoyed at paying ordinary players a lot of money but forget how the salary cap works. You're better off overpaying players you can offload than to overpay players you are confident are high quality long term stars like Cripps, Curnow, Walsh and McKay because their contracts will always go up and will go out of control if you pay them too much too early.
We haven't been losing players over salaries and we haven't been restricted with who we bring in over salaries so we are going really well in that regard.
I would guess that a lot of our highly paid players are front loaded and helped us meet our MPP then and will be underpaid towards the back end of their contract which helps is bring in new players and sign up our emerging stars.
I would be surprised if we weren't able to bring in good players again next season. I think we will have plenty on the lower part of their pay and be able to clear quite a lot off our list.
From what I can see our players contracts have been managed well.
We haven't been losing players over salaries and we haven't been restricted with who we bring in over salaries so we are going really well in that regard.
I would guess that a lot of our highly paid players are front loaded and helped us meet our MPP then and will be underpaid towards the back end of their contract which helps is bring in new players and sign up our emerging stars.
I would be surprised if we weren't able to bring in good players again next season. I think we will have plenty on the lower part of their pay and be able to clear quite a lot off our list.
From what I can see our players contracts have been managed well.
Yeah I like McStay, wouldn't cost us elite coin and plays both ends.
Amon is underrated by many, a very nice finisher
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I’ve always wondered about this and been very confused when people don’t take this into account. The media never mentions it either which doesn’t help the negative narrative blasting players who don’t earn their salary when perennially injured.
There’s always posts like ‘Can’t believe we pay $X for Y years for Player Z’.
A guy like Gov has played (at a complete guess) 50% of his total potential games? Martin and Williams also missed considerable chunks this year.
There’s no way any entity could be as silly (not even Carlton) to draw up a contract where the end output is tangibly less than excepted and they still get paid the same.
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4flagsin5yrs
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Karl Amon and Lochie O'Brien AFL Stats Comparison
Karl Amon and Lochie O'Brien AFL Stats Comparison.
www.footywire.com
Not even in the same ballpark
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Dismissing LoB as not even in the same ballpark yet Amon was actively being shopped around by port 2 years but no teams were committed enough to pick him up. Elite kicks and runners early but were a tough soft and struggled to find enough ball to be impactful... they are literally almost identical in that regard, just one has come good and one is still in limbo.
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Look a little deeper
My comment was about those stats at the same age, Amon being part of a better side, less game time yet better numbers
Not sure about him being supposedly shopped around, but last year Pies were only offering a pick in the 70s for LOB and next year will be a rookie
Amon might be considered soft, being an outside finisher, but comparing the 2 players, he also has the better contested numbers.
I am glad LOB remains on the list, but if the price is right and being a free agent, Amon would walk into our starting 22
4flagsin5yrs
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Pretty apparent Amon had a breakout season this year - at age 25/26 with 100 odd games under his belt.
LOB is 4 years of age and 3 years of games behind.....
LOB is 4 years of age and 3 years of games behind.....
Shifting the goal posts now?
No one has suggested that LOB can't improve, but based on the first table you posted, Amon had him covered at the same age.
But, back to my original post, regarding a few FAs next year. Try and form an argument for those named, not walking into our best 22
4flagsin5yrs
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Comparing a 5 game 'career' to a 14 game 'career' is all but pointless.
Summary - no reason LOB can't be just as good as Amon in time.
He's a better user of the ball already.
So you posted the comparison and now you are calling it pointless? FMD
But going by your logic, if Tiger's Tom Lynch was a free agent, we shouldn't chase him because we have Harry?
We can comfortably fit LOB and Amon in the same side
As for the better user, Amon has him pipped for DE by foot
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Im hoping that Dow, LOB & Stocker respond positively to Voss/Hansen, &assistants , these youngsters have be in the system a while and should be ready to show more consistent form. Lets keep our fingers crossed.
Living in Adelaide, I can vouch that until this season, he was Port fan's whipping boys, much like LOB.
He is, wow I must have gone to the toilet when that happened. Amon has LOB by the nuts right now. LOB better change gears and in a hurry. Not saying he can’t, but so far he ain’t.
Sicily & Heeney ftfw!!
4flagsin5yrs
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Not at all. You miss the point of the comparison.
As Gadj highlighted, Amon was seen as a liability till this year.
Plenty can turn it around given game time and patience. Will LOB?
Up to him. You suspect he will be given the opportunity.
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No need to worry about our 2022 spendings. We are well placed.
Expect us to hit the draft, look for a free agent, sign Walsh on less than market value, spend the full cap, then have money to burn in 2023.
ferrisb
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Same gbatman time, same gbatman channel?
ferrisb
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If LOB ever averages over 4 tackles a match, I will eat Andrew Walker's hat!
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Lucky you said 'over'...averaged 4 tackles per game from rounds 1 through 19 this season...
