List Mgmt. 2021 List Management

[BluesTragic]

Setterfield is one that may come back to bite us if we offload him rather than addressing wtf happened to his game

ET, I agree….something has happened to derail him so badly.
He has way more talent and ability than what he has produced this year.


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[Juddernaut08]

Setterfield is one that may come back to bite us if we offload him rather than addressing wtf happened to his game

Behind Kennedy for mine, and similar age.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

Used to be the case. Dropped to 1 last year because of list cuts. Also a rookie upgrade (or two?) can count as the picks.



"The trimming of lists, the rule change allowing clubs to only use one pick at the draft (down from the usual mandatory three) ..."
How many picks will your club use at the NAB AFL Draft?

Fair enough TBH if we can not find spots for at least 3 new draft picks we are kidding our selves, we have enough dead wood on our list that this should be simple.

 

[bmaurizio]

We need a sustainable balance between mature bodied experienced players that can mentor & guide our youngsters trying to establish themselves, not an easy task.
It’s the perennially injured players that just can’t contribute to our team’s performances and development that have to be delisted and then probe deeper for the list cloggers. There’ll be at least 8 changes at year end, that’s my gut feel.

 

[CJMB]

Like your post and you have put in a lot of work...
If we walked away with Schlensog, McKay & Akuei.. In the rookie draft we would have killed it IMO..

But, there are a couple of points that you will need to re-assess...

• To take the 2 picks in the rookie draft, you will need to delist 4 players 2xPicks and 2x MSD... Where you have only delisted Cottrell(R)...
  Options are McDonald(R), Kennedy(R), Honey(R), Cottrell(R), Parks(R), Boyd(R) & Betts(R)
• If we are to pick Akuei up as a Cat B rookie, we will have to delist or upgrade Owies to the main list

Understand how much work goes into these, good job...

Senior list out (6): Murphy, Casboult, Gibbons, Newnes, Newman, Ed

Senior List in (3: rookie promotion*): Kennedy*, Owies*, Honey*

Rookie list out (6 inc. promotion*): Betts, Boyd, Cottrell, Kennedy*, Owies*, Honey*

Re-rookie McDonald. Rookie list inclusions could include Ed, Newman, maybe Newnes, depending on how many picks you want.

OOC senior list extensions would go to Kemp, O'Brien, Petrevski-Seton, Pittonet, Ramsay, Silvagni.

If we rookie 2 (Ed & Newman) that leaves us with 2 rookie spots available (after counting the 2 surplus). If we want an extra senior spot in place of a rookie place, could move someone like Ramsay to the rookie list.

This above doesn't factor anyone being traded out, or list status changes to anyone not OOC. But that gets us 5 list spots, most likely in a 3:2 or 4:1 split. Can obviously go further from there, but I think that's a good starting point. Hopefully list sizes go back up a couple, even an additional rookie or two, in which case I still wouldn't be changing the above, it just lets us add an extra player (or two, whatever it is).

FWIW I have considered all that, but didnt want to clutter the post too much.

Promote - M Owies**, M Kennedy*, J Honey*
Retain - A Mirkov*, L Parks*, E Betts*, J Boyd*, O McDonald*
Demote - J Newnes

Then when you add on the rookie picks you end up with 8 Cat A & 1 Cat B along with 36 Senior List for 45 total players.

36-8-1 is our current structure, but also 2 rookies above the current approved AFL list. I'm banking on lists returning to normal size (medi sub etc), albeit adding the 2 spots back on as rookies instead of senior list.

If it doesn't eventuate, they'll have to cut an extra 2 rookies. Probably Boyd and Mirkov tbh

Mirvok isn't out of contract, we signed him on an 18 month deal, unlike Boyd who got a 6 month contract. Plus we're desperate for rucks/KPP, why the hell would we get rid of him?

 

[PezzDogg95]

Lists were cut at end of last year, bar GCS clubs must have..

Primary lists must have between 36 and 38 players.
Category A rookies are capped at 4-6, up to a total of 42 players on a list including primary-listed players. Each club can also have two Category B rookies.

Mirkov is contracted next year

New AFL player pay deal reached, list sizes revealed

Players will be asked to take a pay cut of 3.5 per cent in 2021

www.afl.com.au

Down the bottom of the article:

The changes are only in place for the 2021 season, with 2022 expected to revert to normal in what is the final season of the existing Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA).

Although the AFL is known to make things up as they go.

 

[PezzDogg95]

Mirvok isn't out of contract, we signed him on an 18 month deal, unlike Boyd who got a 6 month contract. Plus we're desperate for rucks/KPP, why the hell would we get rid of him?

Yeah I don't want to push him out the door, only if list sizes weren't pushed back to normal.

I understand he is contracted, but I still don't understand his selection in the MSD off 2 VFL games total. If he was a Cat B rookie, I'd have all the time in the world for his development.

That being said, I like him as that extra number at 3rd choice ruck, when every other position has 1 back up.

Although I still think a younger 18/19 KPF/Ruck like Max Heath (taken the pick right after Mirkov) would've been a better selection in the MSD. Mirkov is incredibly raw, light and can't play anywhere apart from ruck (which will be needed if list sizes aren't expanded). Anyway, this is a moot point now.

We're at our best when our rucks can get involved in the play at stoppages or can have an impact resting forward.

 

[Pentatonic Flat Fifth]

Delist

Betts (no where near enough goals with almost zero contribution around the ground) very costly to the bigger picture team.
Murphy
Newnes
Casboult
Marchbank (don't like this)

Delist / trade

Gibbons (plateued - not good enough)
Owies (Maybe - backup) Honey is better and I reckon Carroll will be too
One of Pittonet/Mirkov(pittonet needs to be replaced - no where near good enough)

Trade
Setters
SPS


Target - Another Ruck - remove one of Mirkov / Pittonet

Key Forward 1+
Key Back 1+
Genuine Midfielder 2+

 

[Original Moody Blue]

Delist

Betts (no where near enough goals with almost zero contribution around the ground) very costly to the bigger picture team.
Murphy
Newnes
Casboult
Marchbank (don't like this)

Delist / trade

Gibbons (plateued - not good enough)
Owies (Maybe - backup) Honey is better and I reckon Carroll will be too
One of Pittonet/Mirkov(pittonet needs to be replaced - no where near good enough)

Trade
Setters
SPS


Target - Another Ruck - remove one of Mirkov / Pittonet

Key Forward 1+
Key Back 1+
Genuine Midfielder 2+

Betts has contributed at last 15 goals this year on top of his own goal tally. His ferocious tackling, and determination to run up the ground to create opportunities and relieve pressure, along with the knowledge he has passed on is invaluable. All the nay sayers who were crapping on him early in the season were forced to eat their words. Give me Eddie and Casboult ahead of McGovern who is the worst recruit since Jaksch.

 

[CJMB]

Yeah I don't want to push him out the door, only if list sizes weren't pushed back to normal.

I understand he is contracted, but I still don't understand his selection in the MSD off 2 VFL games total. If he was a Cat B rookie, I'd have all the time in the world for his development.

That being said, I like him as that extra number at 3rd choice ruck, when every other position has 1 back up.

Although I still think a younger 18/19 KPF/Ruck like Max Heath (taken the pick right after Mirkov) would've been a better selection in the MSD. Mirkov is incredibly raw, light and can't play anywhere apart from ruck (which will be needed if list sizes aren't expanded). Anyway, this is a moot point now.

We're at our best when our rucks can get involved in the play at stoppages or can have an impact resting forward.

He's a 210cm project ruck and that's fine by me. Appears to be great at his tap work, and next year he'd probably be behind TDK and Pitto. Not to mention he's contracted next year. Definitely keep him. On top of that we should be getting another player in who can play a bit of ruck, preferably someone who's a capable forward/fwd-ruck.

Delist

Betts (no where near enough goals with almost zero contribution around the ground) very costly to the bigger picture team.
Murphy
Newnes
Casboult
Marchbank (don't like this)

Delist / trade

Gibbons (plateued - not good enough)
Owies (Maybe - backup) Honey is better and I reckon Carroll will be too
One of Pittonet/Mirkov(pittonet needs to be replaced - no where near good enough)

Trade
Setters
SPS


Target - Another Ruck - remove one of Mirkov / Pittonet

Key Forward 1+
Key Back 1+
Genuine Midfielder 2+

Not keen on delisting Marchbank and paying out his final year. Give him 2022 to see if he can get his body right.

I think you've got Jack Carroll (188cm inside/outside midfielder) confused with Corey Durdin (173cm small forward).

I wouldn't be delisting Pitto or Mirkov. We could be without a ruckman this week. If anything I'm wanting to add another ruck-fwd.

 

[Pentatonic Flat Fifth]

Betts has contributed at last 15 goals this year on top of his own goal tally. His ferocious tackling, and determination to run up the ground to create opportunities and relieve pressure, along with the knowledge he has passed on is invaluable. All the nay sayers who were crapping on him early in the season were forced to eat their words. Give me Eddie and Casboult ahead of McGovern who is the worst recruit since Jaksch.

His stats outside of goals are amongst the worst for any forward in the league - so no - he is terrible "up the ground".

His tackling is actually terrible - seriously bad, 5 or 10 years ago sure - not any more mate.

What knowledge has he passed on ? What a ridiculous excuse.

Eddie has held out players like Honey all year - it really is an abomination that people are still sticking by this ridiculous idea.

 

[Pentatonic Flat Fifth]

He's a 210cm project ruck and that's fine by me. Appears to be great at his tap work, and next year he'd probably be behind TDK and Pitto. Not to mention he's contracted next year. Definitely keep him. On top of that we should be getting another player in who can play a bit of ruck, preferably someone who's a capable forward/fwd-ruck.


Not keen on delisting Marchbank and paying out his final year. Give him 2022 to see if he can get his body right.

I think you've got Jack Carroll (188cm inside/outside midfielder) confused with Corey Durdin (173cm small forward).

I wouldn't be delisting Pitto or Mirkov. We could be without a ruckman this week. If anything I'm wanting to add another ruck-fwd.

Sorry Durdin - was looking at the CFC player list when I wrote it...

As I said - we need to replace one AND add a ruck forward.

Pitto is terrible, he costs us games in a big way - we need to replace him asap.

 

[AB_Blue]

Pitto is fine as your back up ruck, much like Phillips was and is at his current club.

If we can get some muscle on TKD then he is clear no.1

JSOS/Jones/Gov to ruck when the ball is the relevant area.

If TKD goes down mid game then we still have the option on playing any of the back ups in tandem and shifting someone like Gov to CHB to cover Jones

Pitto and Mirkov to play VFL and if like to draft a 196-200 cm forward (Peter Wright mould) and develop into a forward/Ruck


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[Original Moody Blue]

Pitto is fine as your back up ruck, much like Phillips was and is at his current club.

If we can get some muscle on TKD then he is clear no.1

JSOS/Jones/Gov to ruck when the ball is the relevant area.

If TKD goes down mid game then we still have the option on playing any of the back ups in tandem and shifting someone like Gov to CHB to cover Jones

Pitto and Mirkov to play VFL and if like to draft a 196-200 cm forward (Peter Wright mould) and develop into a forward/Ruck


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TKD is not suited as a ruckman and would be a much better CHF. Pittonet has done well this year, especially when he decided to push forward. He will become our No1 ruckman and DEK will be free to play around the ground or even as a mobile ruck rover.

 

[thylacine60]

Long post incoming.

I'd be looking at 8 changes to the list this season, which is not aggressive by any means, but also we arent presently in the top echelon of teams, so its not entirely unfounded. Turnover the list by under 20% to keep it fresh, but also maintain a level of consistency in our playing core.

2 players that will retire and have no outgoing value: Murphy & Casboult.

We have too many fwd/mids, mids that are slow/low tanks and 'not-quite' KPPs. Please keep in mind the wider strategy and net gains before nit picking individual players or sections of this post.

With that in mind, the 6 players that will be on the market and/or delisted, that may have value: S P-S (ooc), McGovern (2 yr), Marchbank (1 yr), Gibbons (ooc), Setterfield (1 yr), Cottrell (ooc)

S P-S, McGovern and Setterfield are the only ones that could bring in more than a 3rd rounder.
McGovern contract is an albatross though, don't see a big market for a contracted Setters either tbh. S P-S will attract interest although value is low as has been dropped twice and is OOC, value is late 2nd Rd pick at best.

Gibbons is available for loose change, would rather punt it on the 6 fwd/mids i list below, and create room for a genuine mercurial small fwd. Marchbank available to a good home as well, he is a buyout candidate if no takers.
Cottrell is a DFA or rookie pick for oppo clubs, so no trade value here.

Hopefully the combination of these outgoings have enough currency to bring in 2 players via trade: Lipinski (late 2nd - or points equivalent) & a ruck/fwd like Ladhams (mid 2nd).

Then we take our 3 current picks to the draft:

1st Rd: Best mid available/ (pray for Callaghan)
2nd Rd: Best KPF/McGov replacement (Amiss hopefully)
4th Rd: Mercurial fwd pocket/future Eddie replacement

Rookie Draft

1st: Mature key def / Marchbank replacement (Schlensog)
2nd: C McKay (f/s) / Stocker understudy
Cat B: Dom Akuei (key def/utility big/ Jones understudy)

Of course there will be rookie promotions and demotions to balance the list properly, but I have omitted due to long post already.

This leaves us with the following list structure:

Team Depth Chart

De Koning - Pittonet - Mirkov : 1st ruck

*Ladhams* - McDonald : 2nd ruck / 3rd kp fwd
H McKay - *Amiss* : power key fwd
C Curnow - Silvagni : lead up key fwd

Betts - *???* : dynamic aerial small fwd
Owies - Durdin : crafty pressure small fwd

Honey - Martin : power half fwd / mid
Fisher - Cuningham : silky half fwd / mid
Philp - Fogarty : defensive half fwd / mid

Cripps - Kennedy : inside contested mid
Dow - *Callaghan* : inside burst mid
*Lipinski* - E Curnow : balanced running mid
Walsh - Carroll : balanced running mid

O'Brien - Williamson : left footed wing
Docherty - Newnes : right footed wing

Williams - Ramsay : playmaking half back
Stocker - *C McKay* : tough running small def
Saad - Boyd : pacey small def

Plowman - Parks : lockdown med def
Kemp - Newman : rebounding med def

Weitering - *Schlensog* : strong key def
Jones - *Akuei* : athletic key def

This Senior and VFL depth chart is indicative only really, everyone will have preferences on Best 22, so not looking for an argument there, just highlighting roles and potential depth.

Eerily similar to my 57th post. Nice work. Loved "available to a good home"!

 

[Arr0w]

How long does Marchbank have on his contract?

Can't keep carrying a player who is always injured and contributing nothing on the field for too long.

Eventually you have to cut your losses and replace them with someone who actually gets on the park.

That's true, but glad we didn't take the same course of action with Charlie

 

[CJMB]

Sorry Durdin - was looking at the CFC player list when I wrote it...

As I said - we need to replace one AND add a ruck forward.

Pitto is terrible, he costs us games in a big way - we need to replace him asap.

Pitto should be our backup. He's young enough (age & games) that he can still improve. I hope we don't get rid of him (and add a ruck-fwd to go with TDK & Mirkov)

 

[Aphrodite]

Isn’t Dow contracted for another year? Thought he signed on long term when drafted.

Not that he can’t be traded but surely we are not lowballing him 12 months out from expiration…

Contracted until end of 2022.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

Gotta give a shoutout to FlowersByIrene , his mail about George Hewett

29

George Hewett

Age

28

Ht

187cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.7

4star

K

7.4

3star

HB

10.3

5star

M

2.7

3star

T

4.1

5star

CL

3.3

5star

D

13.8

3star

K

4.8

2star

HB

9.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.2

4star

CL

2.8

4star

D

11.2

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

3.4

4star

T

4.0

5star

CL

0.4

3star

a couple of years ago was spot on.

 

[CJMB]

TKD is not suited as a ruckman and would be a much better CHF. Pittonet has done well this year, especially when he decided to push forward. He will become our No1 ruckman and DEK will be free to play around the ground or even as a mobile ruck rover.

Disagree. Think TDK is better suited to ruck than being a permanent/primary CHF/FF and a significantly better prospect than Pitto who I think should be a backup ruck.

TDK ruck roving Pitto? FMD... why stop there, let's put Weiters and Harry in the centre square too.

 

[Original Moody Blue]

Disagree. Think TDK is better suited to ruck than being a permanent/primary CHF/FF and a significantly better prospect than Pitto who I think should be a backup ruck.

TDK ruck roving Pitto? FMD... why stop there, let's put Weiters and Harry in the centre square too.

TDK is a very mobile player and we should use that. Pitto is going to get bigger and stronger as he gets older and will become a genuinely good strong ruckman. Not sure TDK is strong enough atm to handle all of the ruck contests. He needs another couple of years.

 

[Aphrodite]

Gotta give a shoutout to FlowersByIrene , his mail about George Hewett a couple of years ago was spot on.

A couple of years ago

 

[Chookaradley]

TDK is a very mobile player and we should use that. Pitto is going to get bigger and stronger as he gets older and will become a genuinely good strong ruckman. Not sure TDK is strong enough atm to handle all of the ruck contests. He needs another couple of years.

What TDK has ia a genuine ability to rest forward and hit the scoreboard. Pitto is very one dimensional

 

[DangerousD]

Contracted until end of 2022.

But his new contract was below what was expected.

 

[Original Moody Blue]

What TDK has ia a genuine ability to rest forward and hit the scoreboard. Pitto is very one dimensional

Well you obviously did not watch his last three games before he got injured. He is a very strong mark and will become a damaging player.