Discussion 2021 Player X v Y v Z

[Maybe Tomorrow]

Laird

Simpkin, Brayshaw or Walsh

Simpkin is a small chol'd kent
Brayshaw low TOG in short quarters can he handle 20 min with less rotations?
Walsh is a gun

 

[King_Steele]

Simpkin is a small chol'd kent
Brayshaw low TOG in short quarters can he handle 20 min with less rotations?
Walsh is a gun

+1.

Walsh for me

 

[King_Steele]

Macrae v Titch v Walsh (M3)
Taranto v Cunnington (cheap M5)

 

[Juzzomac]

Macrae v Titch v Walsh (M3)
Taranto v Cunnington (cheap M5)

Macrae and Cunnington

 

[King_Steele]

Macrae and Cunnington

Cheers mate

What do you see Cunnington avg?

 

[rocker_oz33]

Cheers mate

What do you see Cunnington avg?

About a tonne.

 

[Juzzomac]

Cheers mate

What do you see Cunnington avg?

95-100 over the course of the year. Bit safer than Taranto imo provided he gets through pre-season unscathed.

 

[rocker_oz33]

I expect Cunnington to spend some time forward with the lastest cap.

This interchange rule is BS.

 

[TempletonTheRat]

Macrae v Titch v Walsh (M3)
Taranto v Cunnington (cheap M5)

Titch & Taranto

Walsh is not in the same convo as Macrae and Titch - Titch ahead on value

Cunnington will revert to type and give you a 90-95 avg - not good enough for M8

 

[A Bit Dusty]

Titch & Taranto

Walsh is not in the same convo as Macrae and Titch - Titch ahead on value

Cunnington will revert to type and give you a 90-95 avg - not good enough for M8

I'm not so sure that will be the case this year. If Cunners is my M8 towards the end of the season I will be happy. Because there are so many more premo's forward this year if you have all 6 Danger/Sidey/Dunkley/Marshall/Dusty/Zorko in your side then you aren't going to have a 105+average at M8 as well

 

[TempletonTheRat]

I'm not so sure that will be the case this year. If Cunners is my M8 towards the end of the season I will be happy. Because there are so many more premo's forward this year if you have all 6 Danger/Sidey/Dunkley/Marshall/Dusty/Zorko in your side then you aren't going to have a 105+average at M8 as well

I hear what you are saying, not that I fully agree. My question is "Why not?"

in any case I don't think Cunners is the man - I'd rather take Callan Ward who at least has a history of 105's+

just my opinion though

 

[Red Syrah]

Struggling with structure and how many of the no.1's to start with:

If I'm going Gawndy in the ruck for C options, then taking Lloyd, Neale and Danger (in fwd) takes up alot of cash.

Lloyd and Neale - can save $100k off each and still have a solid premo in No. 1 position who is just as likely to be top 6/8
Eg.
Lloyd > Laird
Neale > Titch
Danger > Dunkley = 50K

To give 1 extra captain choice, who is better to select in the team now bc harder to pick up later?

 

[A Bit Dusty]

McDonald/Harmes/Milera/Heppell vs Docherty/Chapman/Jones/Neale

 

[Maybe Tomorrow]

McDonald/Harmes/Milera/Heppell vs Docherty/Chapman/Jones/Neale

The second provided the rookies play.

 

[A Bit Dusty]

The second provided the rookies play.

Yes that is the only problem and would mean I have 6 rookies on field compared to 3 at the moment and would give me 13 keepers 3 mid pricers so more GnR team.

 

[Maybe Tomorrow]

Yes that is the only problem and would mean I have 6 rookies on field compared to 3 at the moment and would give me 13 keepers 3 mid pricers so more GnR team.

I reckon there will be enough rookies, just depends whether they are GOOD rookies.

 

[Andrew Birch]

McDonald 100-105 /Harmes 80-85/Milera 80-85/Heppell 90-95 vs Docherty 100-105 /Chapman 50-55 /Jones 50-55 /Neale 120-125

Assuming they're all best 22 and the 2 rookies look to have solid JS come rd1 & Neale being a genuine top VC/C option which has got to be worth at least an extra 20 points it's fairly even imo.

I would go the mid-priced option (yes, suprised Pikachu face) as i reckon I could turn Harmes & Milera into SPs faster than I could the 2 def rookies and Heppell would be a hold to at least his bye and a possible M8 keeper.

 

[rocker_oz33]

McDonald/Harmes/Milera/Heppell vs Docherty/Chapman/Jones/Neale

The bald stud muffin Paul Chappy Chapman....wins this.



Oh wait.

 

[ForeverHardcore]

Who’s more important to start

lloyd or Neale?

have avoided Neale all pre season
But he’s so safe
Think his floor is now 115 he’s just a supercoach stud with a ceiling of 125 with longer quarters imho
His start to 2k19/2k20 was unreal and the though is daunting to go up against early in 2021.
On the flip he starts with Sydney career average of 80 (his lowest) geelong at gmhba (tough venue to score) and the pies at the Gabba where he averages 112 his last 4 games. He could drop substantially in this Period and be a reasonable pick up in the 600’s by round 6/8. The counter is who realistically can upgrade that early to someone that exspensive. (Mpm the way of the future

lloyd has had 3 top 3 finishes in a row. Is an Uber premium now and is likely to finish number 1 again in defense. I don’t see him going lower then 105 but Max 115 imho

Is it more likely that McDonald/Stewart/Docherty types close the gap to lloyd and I’m more beneficial starting Neale who will probably be still 5-10 points higher then the pack other then Maybe Macrae? Lloyd is Uber consistent but the big games aren’t as big as Neale. Yes it’s awful not owning the gull but I think the chasing defender pack aren’t as far behind he as the mids Are behind Neale. Am I rambling, probably but worth a discussion point.

 

[Juzzomac]

Who’s more important to start

lloyd or Neale?

have avoided Neale all pre season
But he’s so safe
Think his floor is now 115 he’s just a supercoach stud with a ceiling of 125 with longer quarters imho
His start to 2k19/2k20 was unreal and the though is daunting to go up against early in 2021.
On the flip he starts with Sydney career average of 80 (his lowest) geelong at gmhba (tough venue to score) and the pies at the Gabba where he averages 112 his last 4 games. He could drop substantially in this Period and be a reasonable pick up in the 600’s by round 6/8. The counter is who realistically can upgrade that early to someone that exspensive. (Mpm the way of the future

lloyd has had 3 top 3 finishes in a row. Is an Uber premium now and is likely to finish number 1 again in defense. I don’t see him going lower then 105 but Max 115 imho

Is it more likely that McDonald/Stewart/Docherty types close the gap to lloyd and I’m more beneficial starting Neale who will probably be still 5-10 points higher then the pack other then Maybe Macrae? Lloyd is Uber consistent but the big games aren’t as big as Neale. Yes it’s awful not owning the gull but I think the chasing defender pack aren’t as far behind he as the mids Are behind Neale. Am I rambling, probably but worth a discussion point.

If you look at it from a pure output perspective rather than position based ranking I'm backing in Lloyd to regress to the 108-110 mark and not be a good value starting pick.

Yes he'll be the #1 defender, but I think 6-8 mids could easily score +5 points more than him at that 650k and under price range.

Like you said as well, I think there are some good value defensive types who can go again near 5 points of Lloyd at a much cheaper price (Laird, Whitfield, Ryan, McDonald potentially in his new role) so I'd rather make Lloyd an upgrade target because I think the only way his value is going is down - maybe he won't drop more than 50k but that's enough for me.

Neale I believe will score the most points over the course of the season, pure

 

[ForeverHardcore]

If you look at it from a pure output perspective rather than position based ranking I'm backing in Lloyd to regress to the 108-110 mark and not be a good value starting pick.

Yes he'll be the #1 defender, but I think 6-8 mids could easily score +5 points more than him at that 650k and under price range.

Like you said as well, I think there are some good value defensive types who can go again near 5 points of Lloyd at a much cheaper price (Laird, Whitfield, Ryan, McDonald potentially in his new role) so I'd rather make Lloyd an upgrade target because I think the only way his value is going is down - maybe he won't drop more than 50k but that's enough for me.

Neale I believe will score the most points over the course of the season, pure

And I guess it’s a good option to target as the first upgrade knowing lloyd is that good and will be a top 3 defender! He won’t go up if anything as you say well be more likely to get him at 580-620k

unless Neale somehow averages 105-115 the first 6 rounds I don’t see his price dropping below 640k for a while.

Think you’re right he’s a must! So close to having my ideal lineup right now

 

[Andrew Birch]

Who’s more important to start

lloyd or Neale?

have avoided Neale all pre season
But he’s so safe
Think his floor is now 115 he’s just a supercoach stud with a ceiling of 125 with longer quarters imho
His start to 2k19/2k20 was unreal and the though is daunting to go up against early in 2021.
On the flip he starts with Sydney career average of 80 (his lowest) geelong at gmhba (tough venue to score) and the pies at the Gabba where he averages 112 his last 4 games. He could drop substantially in this Period and be a reasonable pick up in the 600’s by round 6/8. The counter is who realistically can upgrade that early to someone that exspensive. (Mpm the way of the future

lloyd has had 3 top 3 finishes in a row. Is an Uber premium now and is likely to finish number 1 again in defense. I don’t see him going lower then 105 but Max 115 imho

Is it more likely that McDonald/Stewart/Docherty types close the gap to lloyd and I’m more beneficial starting Neale who will probably be still 5-10 points higher then the pack other then Maybe Macrae? Lloyd is Uber consistent but the big games aren’t as big as Neale. Yes it’s awful not owning the gull but I think the chasing defender pack aren’t as far behind he as the mids Are behind Neale. Am I rambling, probably but worth a discussion point.

I'm happy to wait and pick up Neale for 650k and Lloyd for 600k with my first 2 upgrades. Both are priced 10+ points above I what I expect them to average this year. I prefer to start SPs that are priced close to or less than their 3 year averages. Got to find value even with the top tier.

 

[buttox]

Who’s more important to start

lloyd or Neale?

have avoided Neale all pre season
But he’s so safe
Think his floor is now 115 he’s just a supercoach stud with a ceiling of 125 with longer quarters imho
His start to 2k19/2k20 was unreal and the though is daunting to go up against early in 2021.
On the flip he starts with Sydney career average of 80 (his lowest) geelong at gmhba (tough venue to score) and the pies at the Gabba where he averages 112 his last 4 games. He could drop substantially in this Period and be a reasonable pick up in the 600’s by round 6/8. The counter is who realistically can upgrade that early to someone that exspensive. (Mpm the way of the future

lloyd has had 3 top 3 finishes in a row. Is an Uber premium now and is likely to finish number 1 again in defense. I don’t see him going lower then 105 but Max 115 imho

Is it more likely that McDonald/Stewart/Docherty types close the gap to lloyd and I’m more beneficial starting Neale who will probably be still 5-10 points higher then the pack other then Maybe Macrae? Lloyd is Uber consistent but the big games aren’t as big as Neale. Yes it’s awful not owning the gull but I think the chasing defender pack aren’t as far behind he as the mids Are behind Neale. Am I rambling, probably but worth a discussion point.

id start lloyd.
less chance he gets tagged. his average is pretty stable over the last few years. I think we can expect about the same again.
Neale started getting tagged late last year. Id expect that to continue as it was reasonably successful. + his score did jump during last years compromised fixture.
my 2c

 

[A Bit Dusty]

I'm happy to wait and pick up Neale for 650k and Lloyd for 600k with my first 2 upgrades. Both are priced 10+ points above I what I expect them to average this year. I prefer to start SPs that are priced close or less than their 3 year averages. Got to find value even with the top tier.

 

[Andrew Birch]