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This is Ports problem - we think flankers can automatically become AFL elite midfielders - it just doesn't happen that way. Bulldogs have recruited genuine midfielders for years and are loaded up. Jones as a midfielder is laughable... he hopefully becomes a decent, reliable defender.

Yep, we really do suffer from a delusional process of thinking we can take something and mould them in to what we want as opposed to getting what we need from the start.

And all this ends up doing is making the original less than what it was when he arrived.

We have guys that have excellent years (Wines - atm, Ryder, Dixon, Wingard, DBJ, Houston, Rozee, Butters etc) but too many of them seem to go backwards and only occasionally do we see what made us so excited to begin with.

That's coaching. That's almost removing what once made them so good as they slowly adhere to a reasonably scripted way of playing. We remove the individuality and replace it with conformity.

When this happens guys replace that split second instinctive nature with a hesitancy when things aren't going to script, and it only takes a second to not get to a contest, to be second to the ball, to miss the tackle or to put yourself under pressure when if you had responded that fraction of a second earlier the pressure wouldn't have been there or would have been of a lesser scale.

Teams like this often appear to not have any idea what they're doing when things aren't going as expected and have to a certain degree lost the ability or desire to be instinctive. Scared to be creative, scared to be 'the one', scared of not doing what they feel they should instead of what they think they should.

That's how we look to me and that's always coaching.
 
This is Ports problem - we think flankers can automatically become AFL elite midfielders - it just doesn't happen that way. Bulldogs have recruited genuine midfielders for years and are loaded up. Jones as a midfielder is laughable... he hopefully becomes a decent, reliable defender.


 
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It may be laughed at, but this why I said we should go after Matt Crouch a few months back. He would add to our midfield. To late now.

We need a traloar situation unfortunately. A very late trade that only happens because of the mismanagement of another club
 
Matt Crouch is another one with rubbish disposal. We need a Hewett type than Dawson type.
 
Matt Crouch is another one with rubbish disposal. We need a Hewett type than Dawson type.

They were just talking about him on SA Footy or whatever it's called. Matt Rendell doesn't have him in the crows best 25. Says he gets plenty of the ball and has the worst metres gained. Does nothing with it.

Even they're awake up to him.
 
Will SPP be at port next year given he’s on the outer?
The last qtr. At the centre square ball up. SPP standing right alongside Bont. Pushing and shoving , ball comes off ruckman's tap. Bont goes one way ,Pepper the complete opposite direction. Guess who gets the clearance? You can either read the ball or you can't.
 
Yeah tonight should have made anyone pondering trading hayes feel a little sick.

Lycett and Ladhams got butchered by blokes not known for their actual rucking.
Ladhams actually won most of the hitouts he contested. Jumped over English and Martin the 15% of the time he was rucking.

But agree that he and Charlie don't try to mark. Reckon Bass has them trying to bring the ball to ground at the foot of the packs for the crumbers to gobble up. I'd rather we tell them to mark it though :rolleyes::think:
 

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Matt Crouch is another one with rubbish disposal. We need a Hewett type than Dawson type.
You’re not wrong but I think we need to steer clear of any stop gaps. What we need is Rozee and Butters, or 2 other players to become genuine A-grade midfielders. Recruiting a Hewett type will only get in the way.
 
Which centre square mid are we getting at the embarrassing pick of 16 that’s going to turn our fortunes?
There’s talent to be found in the draft if we give Parker a chance. There will be mids available at our pick. Whether we nail the pick or not is always a risk, as all clubs face, but sooner or later you need to back your drafting in.

Guthrie was an example. Point is that our midfield is getting a lot worse very quickly with the decline or absence of Boak, Gray and Rockliff.
Guthrie as a just signed a long contract ball accumulator who doesn’t hurt teams was a bad example tho. But moving on, yes the decline and loss of boak gray and Rocky will hurt us. I’ve pointed out for months that boak and gray are responsible for over 9 clearances a game.

I’ve also pointed out that while boak still can get the ball he’s less damaging now as he seems to have less time.
Suggesting that pinch hitting Rozee or Butters or Duursma will make us better is naive, if you want us to win a flag soon and make good on Dixon, Gray, Boak and Jonas, then we need a big pick alongside Wines.

I’m not suggesting they pinch hit. I’m saying we need to develop at least one of them as a full time mid.

Both have been mids before we drafted them, and we need difference makers in the midfield cause we’ve basically got a lot of guys in there who can’t extract the ball cleanly.

We watch our mids handball the ball multiple times to try to get it out of stoppages (often inviting more pressure until a turnover) while when our opponent gets their hands on it they seem to easily run the ball out.

Part of that is set ups, and a big part is player types. Dogs have bont macrae and smith who can all take the ball out of a stoppage themselves while we need to shovel it around to find someone eventually in space.
Now making calls after we didn’t turn up in a final is fraught with danger. We are all livid at that performance and embarrassed to be frank. Some caution is needed. However, it’s clear we don’t have the midfield power and that we need it now. Get someone alongside Wines now
getting someone alongside wines for the sake of trying to compete now is where the danger is.


This is Ports problem - we think flankers can automatically become AFL elite midfielders - it just doesn't happen that way. Bulldogs have recruited genuine midfielders for years and are loaded up. Jones as a midfielder is laughable... he hopefully becomes a decent, reliable defender.
Yes and no.

Rozee was a mid as a junior (though played his final draft year as a flanker / forward pocket / utility) Butters was a mid.

We’ve just played them as forward flankers since they arrived here.

Bergman played as a forward flanker in his final year but ive heard he played as a mid before that. I’ve seen enough to suggest he is definitely a wingman but also has some exciting on-baller traits that offer exactly what we need in there. A point of difference that we need.

I do agree we need to focus on drafting some more centre square mids in the next couple of years. My worry is that behind those guys we don’t have any. Schofield and mead are very questionable right now. Woodcock isn’t a centre mid at afl level. Jase burger isn’t the answer.
 
Are there any inside mids available? Like they don't need to be elite but maybe pushing for a spot.
Elite is exactly what we need. We don’t need another fridge inside mid to go with Drew or SPP.

We need a genuinely elite inside mid to go with Wines, someone who can be relied on under pressure not some mentally soft loser who crumbles when the heat is on.
 
You knows whats comical about our situation. Whoever we bring in trade and draft wise it will all end up being the same sort of trend; theyre the "missing piece" of the premiership puzzle.

2014 Lobbe had a decent year kinda shat the bed Ryder was our missing piece. Ryder comes in and we manage to finish lower in 2015 cause a bigger headache when him schulz and lobbe dont function in the same team and thus lobbe gets the boot

2017 Rockcliff and Motlop get to port more experience some finals built players filling in a missing piece. A year goes on rockcliff battling form and injuries gets dropped to SANFL as does motlop at some point bigger headaches

2018 Ryder aging Lycett avaliable ok go get him premiership ruckman big acquistion again filling in the missing piece. Again a bigger headache and ryder ends up getting traded out a year later

2020 Aliir and fantasia get traded in great. we needed a tall back and a crumber filling in another piece of puzzle. Aliir becomes an AA chb but then goes missing in a final when he actually has an opponent. Fantasia looks good in theory bobs up kicks a bag here and there but also goes missing and still gets injured. Clurey gets dropped to SANFL and will probably get traded out

What im saying is we keep "filling in the pieces" of this premiership puzzle when we dont even have the starting piece. Were too busy looking at the last thing we need when we forget about the basics. We trade out our higher end picks for these players that look good at the time.

Were too preoccupied with our heads so far up our asses we forget about DEVELOPMENT. Macrae Bont Smith Libba Petracca Dunkley Oliver Viney Brayshaw one of these groups of players are going to have a premiership medal wround their neck and none of them were traded in. Yes high draft picks but these clubs didnt spend their time on cream of the crop or flankers they went balls deep building a core group of the most important part of the field.
 
You knows whats comical about our situation. Whoever we bring in trade and draft wise it will all end up being the same sort of trend; theyre the "missing piece" of the premiership puzzle.

2014 Lobbe had a decent year kinda shat the bed Ryder was our missing piece. Ryder comes in and we manage to finish lower in 2015 cause a bigger headache when him schulz and lobbe dont function in the same team and thus lobbe gets the boot

2017 Rockcliff and Motlop get to port more experience some finals built players filling in a missing piece. A year goes on rockcliff battling form and injuries gets dropped to SANFL as does motlop at some point bigger headaches

2018 Ryder aging Lycett avaliable ok go get him premiership ruckman big acquistion again filling in the missing piece. Again a bigger headache and ryder ends up getting traded out a year later

2020 Aliir and fantasia get traded in great. we needed a tall back and a crumber filling in another piece of puzzle. Aliir becomes an AA chb but then goes missing in a final when he actually has an opponent. Fantasia looks good in theory bobs up kicks a bag here and there but also goes missing and still gets injured. Clurey gets dropped to SANFL and will probably get traded out

What im saying is we keep "filling in the pieces" of this premiership puzzle when we dont even have the starting piece. Were too busy looking at the last thing we need when we forget about the basics. We trade out our higher end picks for these players that look good at the time.

Were too preoccupied with our heads so far up our asses we forget about DEVELOPMENT. Macrae Bont Smith Libba Petracca Dunkley Oliver Viney Brayshaw one of these groups of players are going to have a premiership medal wround their neck and none of them were traded in. Yes high draft picks but these clubs didnt spend their time on cream of the crop or flankers they went balls deep building a core group of the most important part of the field.
They also got all of those pieces by being at the bottom for extended periods of time. How do you get them without getting high draft picks?
 
I’m okay with getting Dawson, he’s still quality, but let’s not pretend he’s a missing piece, or would have made a difference last night at all.

we also can’t trade out a needed player like hayes for him, and also if we do trade out picks know that the risk is thats 1 or 2 less chances to draft the players we actually need. Tho it’s not guaranteed we would actually get those players with those picks.
 
People probably won't agree with this but we should be getting in lynch on a minimum deal
Wouldn't add anything to our team. Would take Marshall's place and probably play that same role maybe 10% better next year then retire, as opposed to Marshall who we can keep developing.

This year has clearly shown we need genuine midfielders. Missing out on Merrett sucks even more now.
 

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