Training 2022 - 2023 Off-Season and Pre-Season training Watch

[hawkman]

They really want people to attend these games with those timeslots

 

[dermie50]

Thank you Big Hotdog and Matey...

Since the Mitch "mishap" this week at training, the overwhelming majority of posts have been around Jeka. Apart from the fact that Mitch hasn't ruptured his ACL and is mothballs for the season, people have either forgotten or are treating Kozi like rice paper. He did kick 6 in a pre-season match a couple of years ago and looked set to be the key man for that spot. However, circumstances including Injury and form had Kozi up forward, down back and in the Ruck. As people have alluded to already, he will not be paying back and nor will he be playing in the ruck. If there is no injury, Kozi will, in my opinion, be CHF and he has the opportunity this year to lock it in. He is quick, plays up the ground has good hands and can kick a goal. That leaves the vacant FF position until Mitch returns. I believe that position is already being eyeballed by Max Lynch. He has been used up forward with success in some of the simulation exercises. With Reeves and Meek, he knows that game time will more likely be Box Hill but the injury to Mitch could throw him a lifeline to the senior side. Already last year as a ruck going forward, Max had success. He also reads the play well, is quick for his size, is a brute and can take a strong mark. I think that he is ideal for the position. Throw Green into a pocket and then the opposition begins to have match-up problems.
Go Hawks!!!

 

[cryptor]

Thank you Big Hotdog and Matey...

Since the Mitch "mishap" this week at training, the overwhelming majority of posts have been around Jeka. Apart from the fact that Mitch hasn't ruptured his ACL and is mothballs for the season, people have either forgotten or are treating Kozi like rice paper. He did kick 6 in a pre-season match a couple of years ago and looked set to be the key man for that spot. However, circumstances including Injury and form had Kozi up forward, down back and in the Ruck. As people have alluded to already, he will not be paying back and nor will he be playing in the ruck. If there is no injury, Kozi will, in my opinion, be CHF and he has the opportunity this year to lock it in. He is quick, plays up the ground has good hands and can kick a goal. That leaves the vacant FF position until Mitch returns. I believe that position is already being eyeballed by Max Lynch. He has been used up forward with success in some of the simulation exercises. With Reeves and Meek, he knows that game time will more likely be Box Hill but the injury to Mitch could throw him a lifeline to the senior side. Already last year as a ruck going forward, Max had success. He also reads the play well, is quick for his size, is a brute and can take a strong mark. I think that he is ideal for the position. Throw Green into a pocket and then the opposition begins to have match-up problems.
Go Hawks!!!

I made a post some weeks ago about how Kosi has already proven he's best 22. Held down KPF pretty much by himself in 2021 and then last year once he rejoined the team (after illness during the pre-season) he performed really well as a KPF in a forwardline he was now sharing with Lewis and Gunston. It was only when he was forced into the ruck that his season understandably went down hill.

 

[peetoo]

Thank you Big Hotdog and Matey...

Since the Mitch "mishap" this week at training, the overwhelming majority of posts have been around Jeka. Apart from the fact that Mitch hasn't ruptured his ACL and is mothballs for the season, people have either forgotten or are treating Kozi like rice paper. He did kick 6 in a pre-season match a couple of years ago and looked set to be the key man for that spot. However, circumstances including Injury and form had Kozi up forward, down back and in the Ruck. As people have alluded to already, he will not be paying back and nor will he be playing in the ruck. If there is no injury, Kozi will, in my opinion, be CHF and he has the opportunity this year to lock it in. He is quick, plays up the ground has good hands and can kick a goal. That leaves the vacant FF position until Mitch returns. I believe that position is already being eyeballed by Max Lynch. He has been used up forward with success in some of the simulation exercises. With Reeves and Meek, he knows that game time will more likely be Box Hill but the injury to Mitch could throw him a lifeline to the senior side. Already last year as a ruck going forward, Max had success. He also reads the play well, is quick for his size, is a brute and can take a strong mark. I think that he is ideal for the position. Throw Green into a pocket and then the opposition begins to have match-up problems.
Go Hawks!!!

Whatever else, Lynch can sniff a goal from a half chance. I was surprised after seeing him that he had no goals in the magpies seniors

 

[peetoo]

Not tag teaming - I didn't follow the chain of comments that intensely so it is a tad silly to assign motive.

Midfielders sometimes drift forward - that's nothing new. Nash is primarily a midfielder under Sam's watch - this is fairly well established as it was Sam who switched him to the midfield back in 2021 because he noted he wasn't a natural forward or defender.

Sam Mitchell had to rotate and experiment through large patches of last year because not only did he have a list he is trying to put through a rebuild he also had to deal with crazy injury issues for a lot of the year - particularly when we had a large injury list late in the season and in the early-middle part of the season when we didn't have a single fit ruckman. You can't compare him to Clarko's odd experiments towards the not so great end of his coaching tenure with us. That is what I am taking issue with your point - and using Nash is a really bad way of backing up your point because his use in the ruck was solely due to us not having a single ruckman to choose from.

I’m speculating as much as the next but if you re saying Nash only did ruck and mid then he would have been in every centre bounce in games he played in 2022. As we know it was heavily rotated and I’d be gobsmacked if Sammy did that just because of injuries.
Agree mostly though. Good post

 

[blackheart]

Kosi should get first crack (and I believe he plays better as the single focus key forward.) Jeka should continue to play Def as he's shown more confidence up back, but I also wouldn't be against him swinging forward if things get real dire.

 

[barbster]

Kosi should get first crack (and I believe he plays better as the single focus key forward.) Jeka should continue to play Def as he's shown more confidence up back, but I also wouldn't be against him swinging forward if things get real dire.

Agree, and Jeka’s field kicking out of the backline is a great asset.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

I made a post some weeks ago about how Kosi has already proven he's best 22. Held down KPF pretty much by himself in 2021 and then last year once he rejoined the team (after illness during the pre-season) he performed really well as a KPF in a forwardline he was now sharing with Lewis and Gunston. It was only when he was forced into the ruck that his season understandably went down hill.

Bit of revisionist history there. Late in the season he wasn’t doing as much ruckwork and was struggling to make much impact up forward.

 

[hawkman]

Bit of revisionist history there. Late in the season he wasn’t doing as much ruckwork and was struggling to make much impact up forward.

Even in the back end of 21 he was struggling to make an impact

He is better as the main key forward but isn't really good enough to be the number 1. He isn't a natural forward so struggles when he isn't the main option

 

[threesixpio]

Hoping Kosi makes it but not pinning hopes atm. People can turn things around and maybe he does this preseason. Would be fricken awesome if he does because Lewis is already there imo

 

[Ned Ryerson]

I’m speculating as much as the next but if you re saying Nash only did ruck and mid then he would have been in every centre bounce in games he played in 2022. As we know it was heavily rotated and I’d be gobsmacked if Sammy did that just because of injuries.
Agree mostly though. Good post

Good thing I never said all he did was ruck and mid then. He rested/rotated forward and on the halfback line like a lot of midfielders do. He played predominantly as a midfielder though and only played ruck due to injuries. Don’t believe me - check his heat maps for the 2022 season.

 

[barbster]

Even in the back end of 21 he was struggling to make an impact

He is better as the main key forward but isn't really good enough to be the number 1. He isn't a natural forward so struggles when he isn't the main option

I’d disagree. In 2021 he worked well as sole target when Lewis and Gunston were not there, kicking bags of 5. Last year he seemed to just get in the way of Lewis and Gunston on a lot of occasions.

 

[I drive a truck]

i saw Nick Watson and i think Zane Duursma training, shame abbout Lewis.

Duursma was at Melbourne.


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[KermitJagger]

I’d disagree. In 2021 he worked well as sole target when Lewis and Gunston were not there, kicking bags of 5. Last year he seemed to just get in the way of Lewis and Gunston on a lot of occasions.

Kicked a single bag of 5 against a woeful defence and was held goalless 6 times. When he wasn't kicking goals he hardly got involved any other way, way too many games of 5, 6 or 7 disposals with next to no impact.

 

[barbster]

Kicked a single bag of 5 against a woeful defence and was held goalless 6 times. When he wasn't kicking goals he hardly got involved any other way, way too many games of 5, 6 or 7 disposals with next to no impact.

Give him a bit of slack, he kicked 27 goals from 20 games in his first year in the seniors and as a forward. Kicked a bag of 5 against Adelaide and in the pre season against NM.
Buddy in his first year kicked 21 from 20 games, also having 6 goalless games and our team / delivery were arguably better back then.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Give him a bit of slack, he kicked 27 goals from 20 games in his first year in the seniors and as a forward. Kicked a bag of 5 against Adelaide and in the pre season against NM.
Buddy in his first year kicked 21 from 20 games, also having 6 goalless games and our team / delivery were arguably better back then.

Kosi hasn’t shown a single, solitary sign of ever having a fraction of Buddy’s natural talent so let’s not compare the pair shall we. You’re comparing what Buddy did as an 18 year old in his first year at senior level versus a 20 year old in his 3rd year. Being that as a 20 year old Buddy kicked 73.62 in his 3rd season as a senior footy player compared to Kosi’s 27.19 it’s a silly argument to make. Very different players who shouldn’t be invoked together for comparative purposes.

 

[The hands of stone]

Im tipping we would have had backup plan A, B and C ready to roll if Lewis missed a game or any games .
Thats what good coaches and good planning is .

I dont think it'll be a gee what do we do here , we will simple be rolling the plans out in depth now pre season.

Most likely A is Sicily forward

 

[cryptor]

Bit of revisionist history there. Late in the season he wasn’t doing as much ruckwork and was struggling to make much impact up forward.

On account of having spent half the season jumping into bigger rucks and not being able to build any form line with limited minutes up forward where everyone is looking for Lewis/Gunston.

 

[eldorado]

Im tipping we would have had backup plan A, B and C ready to roll if Lewis missed a game or any games .
Thats what good coaches and good planning is .

It's almost like there's more than 22 players on a list, and sometimes you need to play them...

 

[barbster]

Kosi hasn’t shown a single, solitary sign of ever having a fraction of Buddy’s natural talent so let’s not compare the pair shall we. You’re comparing what Buddy did as an 18 year old in his first year at senior level versus a 20 year old in his 3rd year. Being that as a 20 year old Buddy kicked 73.62 in his 3rd season as a senior footy player compared to Kosi’s 27.19 it’s a silly argument to make. Very different players who shouldn’t be invoked together for comparative purposes.

Who would you compare Kozi with?

 

[Blackhawk42]

Kosi hasn’t shown a single, solitary sign of ever having a fraction of Buddy’s natural talent so let’s not compare the pair shall we. You’re comparing what Buddy did as an 18 year old in his first year at senior level versus a 20 year old in his 3rd year. Being that as a 20 year old Buddy kicked 73.62 in his 3rd season as a senior footy player compared to Kosi’s 27.19 it’s a silly argument to make. Very different players who shouldn’t be invoked together for comparative purposes.

You can't compare those two of course, however there is still an underselling of what Kosi achieved in 2021.

It was his debut season. Yes, it was his third year in the system, but it was still his debut season. Plus it was his first attempt at playing as a forward. The better comparison would be any other mature aged key forward in their DEBUT season.

 

[barbster]

Kosi hasn’t shown a single, solitary sign of ever having a fraction of Buddy’s natural talent so let’s not compare the pair shall we. You’re comparing what Buddy did as an 18 year old in his first year at senior level versus a 20 year old in his 3rd year. Being that as a 20 year old Buddy kicked 73.62 in his 3rd season as a senior footy player compared to Kosi’s 27.19 it’s a silly argument to make. Very different players who shouldn’t be invoked together for comparative purposes.

Would Harry McKay in his 3rd season as a 21yo be a better comparison? McKay played 20 games for 26 goals.

 

[Davo-27]

Duursma was at Melbourne.


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Someone said he was training with us earlier in the week so I was looking for them, maybe I mistook an NGA kid who were also training with us, hard to tell new faces at training sometimes.

 

[Davo-27]

Thank you Big Hotdog and Matey...

Since the Mitch "mishap" this week at training, the overwhelming majority of posts have been around Jeka. Apart from the fact that Mitch hasn't ruptured his ACL and is mothballs for the season, people have either forgotten or are treating Kozi like rice paper. He did kick 6 in a pre-season match a couple of years ago and looked set to be the key man for that spot. However, circumstances including Injury and form had Kozi up forward, down back and in the Ruck. As people have alluded to already, he will not be paying back and nor will he be playing in the ruck. If there is no injury, Kozi will, in my opinion, be CHF and he has the opportunity this year to lock it in. He is quick, plays up the ground has good hands and can kick a goal. That leaves the vacant FF position until Mitch returns. I believe that position is already being eyeballed by Max Lynch. He has been used up forward with success in some of the simulation exercises. With Reeves and Meek, he knows that game time will more likely be Box Hill but the injury to Mitch could throw him a lifeline to the senior side. Already last year as a ruck going forward, Max had success. He also reads the play well, is quick for his size, is a brute and can take a strong mark. I think that he is ideal for the position. Throw Green into a pocket and then the opposition begins to have match-up problems.
Go Hawks!!!

Spot on post, with Lewis out for the start of the season Kosi will take a bigger role and Lynch is looking the best forward ruck at training, also I would like to think Greene can transfer some of the VFL dominance to the next level.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Who would you compare Kozi with?

Not a bloke who is the best forward in modern history and just kicked over 1,000 career goals last season.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Would Harry McKay in his 3rd season as a 21yo be a better comparison? McKay played 20 games for 26 goals.

Are you really trying to flog this dead horse of trying to sell the fact that comparing Kosi to Buddy ****ing Franklin wasn’t a stupid thing to do? I want Kosi to kill it this year as much as any Hawks supporter but let’s be sensible shall we. Playing as a forward and playing for Hawthorn are basically where any comparisons of Franklin and Kosi begin and end. It was an absolutely daft comparison - own it and move on.