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List Mgmt. 2022 AFL Draft & Rookie Draft
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Bletch
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Would need a significant extra. Even if Carlton were to stay in their current position, that'd be picks ~27 & 63. Will need quite a bit for for pick 19 - prob another 2nd.
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Like your thinking on the future pick! But we ain't gonna do that deal. Doubt we trade our future 1st, but if we do, it'd have to be for a mid-range 1st round this year (10-14ish). F3, while needed to meet trade rules, doesn't add anything of value.What about our F1 (pick 18) for GWS pick 19 and F3
Then load up on this years draft 10,19,29,49.
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Both Dogs and WCE would need to be super keen on Busslinger as BH mentioned. Think it’s definitely possible.
Struggle to see that happening without involving our future first or second.
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But probably makes it easier to get another deal done targeting another (later) top 30 pick.
Also, it's a bit below historic market value, there'd probably be something extra, like upgrading one of our F4s for one of their F3s.
Future second is dispensable but our future 1st.
2024 draft, but yes I agree. If Hollands is projected as a wingman type then we should not be using a prime pick to take him in the draft.
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Apparently * want out of 22 so they don’t have to spend it on a bid on Davey. (Also mentioned in that article from AT97 (?)). F2 for 22 - EASY. Stay at 10/11, use 22 (24/25) and 29 (32/33).
11 - Hewett or Hayes
22ish - Barnett or George
29ish - Clarke or Allan
49ish - Van Es or Gruzewski
11 - Hewett or Hayes
22ish - Barnett or George
29ish - Clarke or Allan
49ish - Van Es or Gruzewski
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It depends when the bid comes, they'll only trade it if he's bid on before they can use the pick.
The trade would be something like F2 + #46, but there might be some competition from other clubs.
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Definitely 10 & 29 for 15 and 19 seems fair and the right sort of premium paid by GWS to go up from 15 to 10.
But, assuming they don't care too much for 19 - what are they going to do with 29?
But, assuming they don't care too much for 19 - what are they going to do with 29?
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That's not a premium, unless we can on-trade #19 for something good.
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l would suggest Allan at 29 is not a realistic hope, l think he will be one that will move into the early picks between 10-15.
Early season injuries impacted his season, but he looks one to watch.
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I don't see the point in doing 10 + 29 for 15 and 18/19. It doesn't help us at all in attaining an extra pick in the 20-30 range, as Austin has publicly stated we wanted. I also don't want to use any more future picks for this year's draft - we're already at a deficit after the Acres trade.
In my opinion I'd be trying to do 10 + 49 with GWS, Sydney or WC for their picks in the teens (or early 20s after all the F/S bids). If not, then I'd rather we not over-complicate anything and just take our current hand to the draft.
In my opinion I'd be trying to do 10 + 49 with GWS, Sydney or WC for their picks in the teens (or early 20s after all the F/S bids). If not, then I'd rather we not over-complicate anything and just take our current hand to the draft.
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What sort of premium are you expecting then?
BTW - I'm only doing this downgrade if Phillipou is off the table
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Is it true that next years crop is stronger though? I don’t want to see us caught in the moment and potentially mortgage a future asset in doing so? Coona Blues Any thoughts?What about our F1 (pick 18
Then load up on this years draft 10,19,29,49.
10 and 49 would get you 15 and 31 Best case. Won’t get you 15 and 18/19. Not the worst scenario. GWS just lost 4 best 22 players remember.
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If we're trading #11 down to GWS, then it would be with our 3rd (#46ish) for #16 + #19/20.
The premium would be worth about pick 47.
Likewise, I think we'd just take Phillipou if he lasts to our pick.
JuddgementDay
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Way too much our way!
A simple question - would you do this trade if you were GWS?
ferrisb
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Can we give them Wiley and Jaksch?
ferrisb
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No.
It's not pick 19 specifically, it's the first pick of the 2nd round.
So if there were 10 round one father son selections, it would be pick 29...
In my opinion and that of most published draft watchers, the top end of the draft is absolutely stronger. Too early for mine to comment on how deep it goes. A number of threads, as well as readily available vision of some superb under age performances confirm the quality to a dozen or so places. The beauty is that they is an excellent cross section of positional options as opposed to the midfield dominated group on offer this year.
I would not contemplate trading out of the first round. For the right target this year, I could support sacrificing a second rounder. It is my belief that we will be upgrading multiple rookies next year as well as perhaps working to clear some salary cap to maybe look at a role player through free agency. I really believe we want to use this year to balance the list and acquire some strategic draftees. With our list maturing, we would move to a model giving the boys a thorough grounding in the twos.
I am fascinated to see the combination of players we opt for this year.
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It's really not. Look at all the historic trades. It costs a lot to move up in the first round.
If I were GWS, it really depends on what player I wanted that I didn't think was going to be there at #16, and how much I wanted them.
In 2019 the Giants traded a Future 1st rounder to move from #6 to #4, after trading #12 + #18 for that #6 (and #59).
ferrisb
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Campo twins are 2024 draft.
And I don't think we should be making draft/trade decisions just yet based on their possible recruitment.
Really liking Allen. Wingman at his height could dangerous match up
Allan won’t last 29
If Busslinger is still available at our pick, I can see WCE madly on the phone to us......however, they'd likely want to hang onto their pick #12 so they can grab at least 2-3 of Ginbey/Hewett/Busslinger/Allen with #8, #10 and #12. Would be a huge haul for them bringing in 3 first round local boys in the one year.
I could see something like - Carlton >> pick #10 and f2, WCE >> pick #20 and f1 - being on offer.
All hypothetical of course, but if pick #20 lands us Brayden George - and we have two 1st round picks in 2023 - we'd effectively be bringing in 3 first round picks next year, followed by the Campo twins in 2024.
