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List Mgmt. 2022 AFL Draft & Rookie Draft
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You reckon if Hawks (or *) take Clark, Cats go Ginbey or Busslinger over McKenzie?
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Ignoring the FS. There is the big three plus Allen, Jefferson, Konstanty, George, Weddle, Hayes, Allen, Hewett, Tsatas , Busslinger, Humphrey, Clark, Hollands, Ginbey, Phillipou, Hotton and McKenzie. That’s 20 players who imo would be nice to have, hence why I would try trading down to get two top 20picks in return for 10.
The three players players I really like outside of Cadman, Wardlaw and Sheezel are Humphrey, Phillipou and Tsatas. For me they all have huge upside plus possibly a fair bit of bust potential. Weddle would be my 20th option as I don’t see a massive need.
For me the dream is that there is a slider and we could trade for GWS’s 18 and 19 and get two of the above players. For me the absolute worst case scenario would be walking away with Konstanty and George, leaving Weddle to someone else to pick. For me that’s better then the absolute best case scenario for pick 10
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What's the knock on Bailey Rogers? Why won't anyone take a chance on him?
Quite possible but really feel they need a hard edge tough mid fielder, don't understand why they would not take Jhye Clark he looks a perfect fit for them
Parish & Shiel don't have that harder edge so would think Clark or a hard working Ginbey would suit them better.
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* will take Phillipou unfortunately. So I would hope to trade back in the hope we get 2 of George/Hollands/Hotton/Allan
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Philipou is an x-factor mid/forward, exactly what we need.
Hollands is a hard-running mid, less x-factor, and less of a need.
Im invested in hollands. He sounds perfect for Carlton. That extra 5-10% you get from dedicated Carlton fans is worth it. If we don’t take him at 11. He will be gone at 12. **** the sliders.
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Literally what all of us were screaming for all year while Cottrell Lob and Newnes paled in comparison to our opponents week after week.
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All of us?
We replaced Newnes with Acres. LOB and Cottrell improved throughout the year, and get another pre-season under Voss. Are we expecting Hollands to supplant them?
Connection and impact in the forward half (Charlie and Harry aside) was a much bigger issue.
As stated previously we have Acres & should back in Carroll to step up next year after doing his grounding now, he should be ready to go next year.
We are failing to address other list needs by focusing on another pure mid fielder.
Has to be his age doesn’t it. There’s no Nick Duigan romanticism anymore. Can play.
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You're only invested in him because you think we are interested and pretty much know he'll be there at our pick. That kind of coziness is totally the wrong attitude a club should take to the draft.
I'm of the opinion that we have enough 'xfactor' types and need a very straight forward & dependable 'what you see is what you get' Mid/forward with great vision and elite footskills.
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Our transition play through the midfield was diabolical compared to the best teams. We had just as many if not more weapons in the forward half than most teams yet consistently failed due to poor inside 50 entries and slow ball movement. Adding more fwd 50 options won't fix that if we aren't adding quality ball users and outside runners too.
Collingwood is a great example of mediocre fwd 50 options benefitting from fantastic ball movement further afield.
Hollands has all the tools to be a quality wing with very limited deficiencies as early as round 1.
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Still can’t get excited watching further highlights of Hollands.
Feel like a broken record, but a lot of the vision centres around him being slightly smarter than his opponents on transition and having decent defensive awareness. These aren’t especially bad traits, but they won’t be a point of difference at AFL level.
Kicking looks than better expected, but he also won’t have the kind of space he’s afforded currently and he also does have a tendency to loop the ball a bit.
Feel like him being put up as a top end pick - along with someone like Cam McKenzie - indicates a fairly shallow top end.
I’d be comfortable taking him as a late first/early second but he has to be one of the more middling prospective Top 10 picks I can recall.
Feel like a broken record, but a lot of the vision centres around him being slightly smarter than his opponents on transition and having decent defensive awareness. These aren’t especially bad traits, but they won’t be a point of difference at AFL level.
Kicking looks than better expected, but he also won’t have the kind of space he’s afforded currently and he also does have a tendency to loop the ball a bit.
Feel like him being put up as a top end pick - along with someone like Cam McKenzie - indicates a fairly shallow top end.
I’d be comfortable taking him as a late first/early second but he has to be one of the more middling prospective Top 10 picks I can recall.
Very short sighted post. List management is not just about today or the coming year.
Carroll aside, our midfield depth is likely to be decimated at the end of 2023.
Anyone betting on any of Dow, Ed Curnow or Fogarty being on the list thereafter? Couldn’t even guarantee Cuningham or Philp as hybrid options.
No problem if Phillipou was to be ours after the draft as potentially the greatest X-factor potential in the batch. Hollands is absolutely a prime option who likely will ultimately end up a full time mid, but could easily play wing, HBF or HHF in his formative years. Hotton strikes me as more forward than mid, but is a decent option.
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These are very hard to come by - especially in a draft pool this thin.
To further add to this - how many prospective players have elite foot skills at the top end of this draft?
Sheezal and Hewett (basically my two favourites) are just about it. McKenzie and Phillipou have the ability to pull off some nice passes, but I don’t consider either to be elite kicks.
IMO we have enough meat and potatoes footballers. Our midfield has a good spread of types and a good balance of inside and outside mids, but our forward line is lacking some class and X-factor. So we’re either lucky enough to grab Humphrey or we grab a player who has the ability to play on a flank for a couple of seasons who can then develop into a permanent midfielder - eg Hewett, Phillipou or Tsatas.
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His biggest strength is his ability to get to more contests than anyone else. Think of a Sam Walsh like tank. Probably doesn't show up in highlight reels though.
He will be an excellent player.
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To be clear I still have no issues with Philippou as a prospect nor with us picking him if he's still there... But people making out as if our wings aren't still a serious deficiency of our list because we added Acres need to have a look back on the season past. Acres is a hard running big body but by no means an elite kick and Cotters and LoB are average at best. I like Cottrell for his effort but Hollands is a much better prospect than either of them
Agree, one of the reasons I want Hewett. Pure mid, ready to go. 10+ year player.
Upgrade our 2nd and grab the greatest X-factor in George. Our list can handle a year out and develop.
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Hollands doesn’t have incredible footskills. They about on par for his position, but Collingwood have guys like the Daicos who are able to hit incisive passes through the middle with ease.
I also don’t think we need to recruit with their game plan in mind. We are clearly happy to favour flipping the ball around by hand until we can either orchestrate a switch or go quickly to hit Harry or Charlie on a one-on-one.
We definitely need to adapt better to defensive pressure if we continue to play this style, but chucking Hollands in our mix isn’t doing much to move the dial next year. There just isn’t a lot of quality in general in this draft and when considering our options and taking into account we are still building depth in a few areas I would still opt for the best overall prospect. (That includes Busslinger if he happens to be available)
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I've come to my decision on our first pick:
Fair point on the 'elite' footskills, but we need to start with someone with at least 'above average' and a natural by foot.
Too many of our players have Demons in their head when it comes to pressure kicking and hitting Targets - including our Captain. We need a reciever who can be depended upon to take off and deliver the ball to the right option.
Don't really think we have many meat and potatoes types, because if we did we wouldn't turn the ball over so much delivering it into the 50. Walsh is about the closest thing we have to that, and his huge tank, work ethic and discipline to go with the first option make him an elite footballer.
He's probably exactly who we need for the role anyway, but we have grown to depend on him to win the ball all over the ground.
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