Player Watch 2022 AFL National Draft Discussion - read the pinned post

[Strapping Young Lad]

National AFL draft Monday November 28(first round only).
All other selections to be held on Tuesday November 29.
The pre-season and rookie drafts will then take place at 3pm (AEST) on Wednesday November 30.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

If Tsatas is there when it comes to our pick we won’t overlook him.

 

[SunshineHawkCal]

If Tsatas is there when it comes to our pick we won’t overlook him.

If not Tsatas who's next on your wish list?

 

[mustang]

Have we nominated that we plan to draft Lawrence as a father son or is it to late and the deadline has passed.

 

[Alite]

If Tsatas is there when it comes to our pick we won’t overlook him.

SYL, I know that you are the King in Hawks BigFooty … but unless you are on the Hawks recruitment and draft selection committee you cannot say “we won’t overlook him”. You can only say you believe we will not over look him.

That is, unless you are actually in the selection process. So… Are you in the draft selection group? If not, please do not use definitives. As the King Hawks BigFooty guy your words have clout. Use them wisely

 

[Alite]

If not Tsatas who's next on your wish list?

I‘m happy to help here… given no sliders… SYL wants Jhye Clark at pick 6/7.

 

[TDS7]

SYL, I know that you are the king in Hawks BigFooty … but unless you are on the Hawks recruitment and draft selection committee you cannot say “we won’t overlook him”. You can only say you believe we will not over look him.

That is, unless you are actually in the selection process. So… Are you in the draft selection group? If not, please do not use definitives. As the King Hawks BigFooty guy your words have clout. Use them wisely

Just because SYL posts a ton and is a mod doesn't mean he has “clout”. If anything, I've started to swing against Tsatas because he won't shuddupabout him.

But seriously, passing on Tsatas should be unimaginable. We are not a team of the future yet, if anyone should be focused on Best Player Available selection its us. This year, Tsatas is close to that. What “wing” averages his disposal, inside 50, score involvement, and clearance stats. The myth that he isn't an inside midfielder just because he isn't a strong, bash-n-crash brute is outrageous. Go watch his game against Sandringham in the final round, he rotates off the wing but finds himself getting his hands to the footy first, then bursting out of stoppages to move it forward. He plays a similar role as Josh Kelly, who has the strength of an American beer but is definetly not a wing.

I know I can't change your opinion, but if the only thing you have to back up your opinion is calling others out on semantics then you should realise your arguments hold little weight.

 

[Alite]

Just because SYL posts a ton and is a mod doesn't mean he has “clout”. If anything, I've started to swing against Tsatas because he won't shuddupabout him.

But seriously, passing on Tsatas should be unimaginable. We are not a team of the future yet, if anyone should be focused on Best Player Available selection its us. This year, Tsatas is close to that. What “wing” averages his disposal, inside 50, score involvement, and clearance stats. The myth that he isn't an inside midfielder just because he isn't a strong, bash-n-crash brute is outrageous. Go watch his game against Sandringham in the final round, he rotates off the wing but finds himself getting his hands to the footy first, then bursting out of stoppages to move it forward. He plays a similar role as Josh Kelly, who has the strength of an American beer but is definetly not a wing.

I know I can't change your opinion, but if the only thing you have to back up your opinion is calling others out on semantics then you should realise your arguments hold little weight.

I love the passion in your post and I will reply… after this small joke: American Beer is pretty piss weak!. But I know what you meant: Bear.

I have watched Tsatis play in 3 games and was unimpressed from the point of view of pick 6, compared to others I like at pick 6. I did not see the Sandringham game.

Refuting you: I have not called out others on semantics or anything else. I have been nothing but OK with others opinions and I have no idea from where you dragged that dispersion against me. Please elaborate so that I can understand my fault. Otherwise, hmmm.

My opinion is solid. Tsadis is, IMO, an outside player.


Edit: your stating that Tsadis has the strength of an American Bear reads weird! Who says that?

Edit: If you do not think SYL‘s opinion has clout, you are in another reality.

 

[FB19]

I love the passion in your post and I will reply… after this small joke: American Beer is pretty piss weak!. But I know what you meant: Bear.

I have watched Tsatis play in 3 games and was unimpressed from the point of view of pick 6, compared to others I like at pick 6. I did not see the Sandringham game.

I have not called out others on semantics or anything else. I have been nothing but OK with others opinions and I have no idea where you dragged that dispersion against me from. Please elaborate so that I can understand my fault. Otherwise, hmmm.

My opinion is solid. Tsadis is, IMO, an outside player.

Ok so we are all aligned it’s down to one of 5 players with our first pick.

 

[TDS7]

I love the passion in your post and I will reply… after this small joke: American Beer is pretty piss weak!. But I know what you meant: Bear.

I have watched Tsatis play in 3 games and was unimpressed from the point of view of pick 6, compared to others I like at pick 6. I did not see the Sandringham game.

I have not called out others on semantics or anything else. I have been nothing but OK with others opinions and I have no idea where you dragged that dispersion against me from. Please elaborate so that I can understand my fault. Otherwise, hmmm.

My opinion is solid. Tsadis is, IMO, an outside player.

I appreciate the cordiality of your reply. The spelling of beer was intentional, Josh Kelly is weak as piss.

My point on semantics was in reference to your quoted post addressing SYL's comment suggesting that "we won't overlook [Tsatas]" as irrelevant unless he was in fact knowledgeable of the recruiting team's internal decision-making leading up to the draft. While his comments were an over-exaggeration, they were pretty clearly meant to convey confidence in Tsatas's position ahead of the other players mentioned as being available at our pick. Suggesting that SYL was masquerading as an ITK while divulging his opinion casts his comments in a negative light and implies his arguments are in bad faith, which I find dismisses the validity of his opinion rather unfairly. While not a major slight, the fact that your reply was focused solely on this issue makes it seem rather unnecessary and uncouth.

As for your position that Tsatas is an outside player, I can do nothing more than implore you to either watch the footage or trust others who have. Tsatas has played as an inside midfielder a lot. He has also rotated on the wing a lot. In my opinion, his best position is as an inside midfielder. You believe he will play as an outside midfielder at AFL level. There's nothing more either of us can really add to the conversation.

 

[Judd2Sewell]

I think it comes down to three players based on the rumours, needs and some (educated?) guessing:

Tsatas - balanced midfielder that is the highest rated based on current output. Good size and can play inside/outside and on the wing.

Phillipou - midfielder/forward that has the highest ceiling of the three IMO. Skilful, versatile, the biggest body and tested really well.

Mackenzie - another balanced midfielder that is also the most skilful kick of the midfield group in the top ten. Good size and can play inside/outside and HBF. A quality complimentary midfielder IMO.

Surely one of these three will be in Hawk colours later this month.

 

[Alite]

I appreciate the cordiality of your reply. The spelling of beer was intentional, Josh Kelly is weak as piss.

My point on semantics was in reference to your quoted post addressing SYL's comment suggesting that "we won't overlook [Tsatas]" as irrelevant unless he was in fact knowledgeable of the recruiting team's internal decision-making leading up to the draft. While his comments were an over-exaggeration, they were pretty clearly meant to convey confidence in Tsatas's position ahead of the other players mentioned as being available at our pick. Suggesting that SYL was masquerading as an ITK while divulging his opinion casts his comments in a negative light and implies his arguments are in bad faith, which I find dismisses the validity of his opinion rather unfairly. While not a major slight, the fact that your reply was focused solely on this issue makes it seem rather unnecessary and uncouth.

As for your position that Tsatas is an outside player, I can do nothing more than implore you to either watch the footage or trust others who have. Tsatas has played as an inside midfielder a lot. He has also rotated on the wing a lot. In my opinion, his best position is as an inside midfielder. You believe he will play as an outside midfielder at AFL level. There's nothing more either of us can really add to the conversation.

A beautiful read. Well written. But WTF are you on about?

I did not say SYL‘s comment was irrelevant Just that he, as a mod, had clout and that he should use his words with moderation and wisely.

I did not suggest that SYL was masquerading as anything.. I outright asked the question. If not OK, if yes, he does not have to answer.
I have never cast SYLs opinions in a negative light. I just disagreed! Where are you getting this from?

WTF are you on about? Edit: surely in BigFooty I am allowed to have a different opinion.
Edit 2: I even wrote about a situation where Sam Mitchell would prefer Tsadis.

I am befuddled by you TDS7 . Are you saying I can disagree with SYL or not?

edit 3: the Josh Kelly bit was funny

edit4: being highly challenged = attacked (with words attributed to me which I did not use) and for having different opinion is not fun.

 

[TDS7]

A beautiful read. Well written. But WTF are you on about?

I did not say SYL‘s comment was irrelevant Just that he, as a mod, had clout and that he should use his words with moderation and wisely.

I did not suggest that SYL was masquerading as anything.. I outright asked the question. If not OK, if yes, he does not have to answer.
I have never cast SYLs opinions in a negative light. I just disagreed! Where are you getting this from?

WTF are you on about?

Ah, I love a good shitfight.

My insinuation was not that you were addressing his comment as irrelevant. What I meant was that, by insinuating that his comments were non-factual rather than a strong opinion, they were therefore unworthy of regard as a legitimate discussion point. While perhaps not intentional, the effect your argument had on the tone of the post was dismissive.

"I did not say SYL‘s comment was irrelevant", yet:
"unless you are on the Hawks recruitment and draft selection committee you cannot say “we won’t overlook him”".
The second quote certainly seems to insinuate that, unless SYL has insider knowledge his points are irrelevant. While this may not have been your intention, it is certainly readable this way.

"I did not suggest that SYL was masquerading as anything.. I outright asked the question.", yet:
"That is, unless you are actually in the selection process. So… Are you in the draft selection group? If not, please do not use definitives."
The latter quote shows you asked the question in bad faith. You knew that SYL was not a Hawthorn insider (to the best of my knowledge, anyway) and were thus implying that SYL used his "clout" to wield influence over others' opinions while he upheld a false bravado of insider knowledge.

Anyway, this whole argument is pointless. Even actual ITKs like RnL aren't final in their words, SYL could be Mark Mackenzie himself and we still wouldn't have a reliable source that is 100% accurate even this close to the draft. Even then, it's pointless because all information discussed on this board is pretty much useless in the face of what actually happens later in the month. In four weeks' time we will not be reviewing the posts on this forum to check the validity of the opinions of whoever we took. So throwing up sacks of manure over semantics is rather pointless. Then again, so is continuing this debate. I guess it is rather fun though.

 

[FB19]

Ah, I love a good shitfight.

My insinuation was not that you were addressing his comment as irrelevant. What I meant was that, by insinuating that his comments were non-factual rather than a strong opinion, they were therefore unworthy of regard as a legitimate discussion point. While perhaps not intentional, the effect your argument had on the tone of the post was dismissive.

"I did not say SYL‘s comment was irrelevant", yet:
"unless you are on the Hawks recruitment and draft selection committee you cannot say “we won’t overlook him”".
The second quote certainly seems to insinuate that, unless SYL has insider knowledge his points are irrelevant. While this may not have been your intention, it is certainly readable this way.

"I did not suggest that SYL was masquerading as anything.. I outright asked the question.", yet:
"That is, unless you are actually in the selection process. So… Are you in the draft selection group? If not, please do not use definitives."
The latter quote shows you asked the question in bad faith. You knew that SYL was not a Hawthorn insider (to the best of my knowledge, anyway) and were thus implying that SYL used his "clout" to wield influence over others' opinions while he upheld a false bravado of insider knowledge.

Anyway, this whole argument is pointless. Even actual ITKs like RnL aren't final in their words, SYL could be Mark Mackenzie himself and we still wouldn't have a reliable source that is 100% accurate even this close to the draft. Even then, it's pointless because all information discussed on this board is pretty much useless in the face of what actually specifically happens later in the month. In four weeks' time sowe will not be reviewing the posts on this forum to check the validity of the opinions of whoever we took. So throwing up sacks of manure over semantics is rather pointless. Then again, so is continuing this debate. I guess it is rather fun though.

A long as we all do it respectfully let the manure flow! Enjoying it

 

[chopflop]

I think it comes down to three players based on the rumours, needs and some (educated?) guessing:

Tsatas - balanced midfielder that is the highest rated based on current output. Good size and can play inside/outside and on the wing.

Phillipou - midfielder/forward that has the highest ceiling of the three IMO. Skilful, versatile, the biggest body and tested really well.

Mackenzie - another balanced midfielder that is also the most skilful kick of the midfield group in the top ten. Good size and can play inside/outside and HBF. A quality complimentary midfielder IMO.

Surely one of these three will be in Hawk colours later this month.

Humphrey is a massive chance if available at our pick.

I wouldn't be surprised to see us select Clark also

 

[FB19]

Humphrey is a massive chance if available at our pick.

I wouldn't be surprised to see us select Clark also

That’s the five!

 

[Alite]

Ah, I love a good shitfight.

My insinuation was not that you were addressing his comment as irrelevant. What I meant was that, by insinuating that his comments were non-factual rather than a strong opinion, they were therefore unworthy of regard as a legitimate discussion point. While perhaps not intentional, the effect your argument had on the tone of the post was dismissive.

"I did not say SYL‘s comment was irrelevant", yet:
"unless you are on the Hawks recruitment and draft selection committee you cannot say “we won’t overlook him”".
The second quote certainly seems to insinuate that, unless SYL has insider knowledge his points are irrelevant. While this may not have been your intention, it is certainly readable this way.

"I did not suggest that SYL was masquerading as anything.. I outright asked the question.", yet:
"That is, unless you are actually in the selection process. So… Are you in the draft selection group? If not, please do not use definitives."
The latter quote shows you asked the question in bad faith. You knew that SYL was not a Hawthorn insider (to the best of my knowledge, anyway) and were thus implying that SYL used his "clout" to wield influence over others' opinions while he upheld a false bravado of insider knowledge.

Anyway, this whole argument is pointless. Even actual ITKs like RnL aren't final in their words, SYL could be Mark Mackenzie himself and we still wouldn't have a reliable source that is 100% accurate even this close to the draft. Even then, it's pointless because all information discussed on this board is pretty much useless in the face of what actually happens later in the month. In four weeks' time we will not be reviewing the posts on this forum to check the validity of the opinions of whoever we took. So throwing up sacks of manure over semantics is rather pointless. Then again, so is continuing this debate. I guess it is rather fun though.

I’m less enamoured with the argument.

My point was that IF SYL has insider knowledge on selection then he can state definitives, but if he does not then he should not use definitives… that comment does not make his point irrelevant (as you tried to force on me in your agument above), it just renders it an opinion... as it should be.

For all I know SYL could be Mark McKenzie. There is no bad faith here!

TDS7 WOW. That was…. Something!

Are you a practicing lawyer? If not you should be. You write beautifully and obfuscate the facts just as well. A defence lawyer if ever I have come across one.

Trump is looking for a good defence obfuscating Lawyer in his many many cases ….you should apply… just make sure you are paid in advance.

 

[spudmaster]

I love the passion in your post and I will reply… after this small joke: American Beer is pretty piss weak!. But I know what you meant: Bear.

I have watched Tsatis play in 3 games and was unimpressed from the point of view of pick 6, compared to others I like at pick 6. I did not see the Sandringham game.
My opinion is solid. Tsadis is, IMO, an outside player.
Edit: your stating that Tsadis has the strength of an American Bear reads weird! Who says that?

T S A T A S

 

[Delisted]

I hope Tsatas slides.

Edit 1. Actually no Phillipou.
Edit 2. Maybe Humphrey.
Edit 3. Nope. Tsatas.
Edit 4. Yep Tsadis.

 

[Coach Killer]

I'm keen on Luke Teal for our 4th Pick.

He’s a James Sicily

6

James Sicily

Age

29

Ht

188cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.3

5star

K

12.7

5star

HB

5.7

4star

M

6.3

5star

T

1.5

3star

MG

365.0

5star

D

19.4

4star

K

14.3

5star

HB

5.1

3star

M

5.9

5star

T

1.0

2star

MG

437.4

5star

D

10.0

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.0

4star

MG

173.8

3star

2.0. Strong overhead, 1.91cm, quick, endurance beast, has that hint of mongrel and a beautiful long leg on him.

Added bonus he’s a Hawks Supporter.

 

[Brishawk]

2023 will be a year of 'organic tanking' and I fail to see how anyone can see it any other way

I’m betting on on a fairytale season in which a rag tag bunch of misfits overcome their personal issues and learn to play as a team, making it all the way to the super bowl.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

I’m betting on on a fairytale season in which a rag tag bunch of misfits overcome their personal issues and learn to play as a team, making it all the way to the super bowl.

We’re drafting Welsh players now? Bold!

 

[Brishawk]

I think it comes down to three players based on the rumours, needs and some (educated?) guessing:

Tsatas - balanced midfielder that is the highest rated based on current output. Good size and can play inside/outside and on the wing.

Phillipou - midfielder/forward that has the highest ceiling of the three IMO. Skilful, versatile, the biggest body and tested really well.

Mackenzie - another balanced midfielder that is also the most skilful kick of the midfield group in the top ten. Good size and can play inside/outside and HBF. A quality complimentary midfielder IMO.

Surely one of these three will be in Hawk colours later this month.

The only other bolter I can see us taking is Humphrey but I don’t think we go for him. All of those three look really impressive.

 

[Bugs1977]

T S A T A S

Surely his nickname is Silent T. If it’s not then it should be

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

SYL, I know that you are the King in Hawks BigFooty … but unless you are on the Hawks recruitment and draft selection committee you cannot say “we won’t overlook him”. You can only say you believe we will not over look him.

That is, unless you are actually in the selection process. So… Are you in the draft selection group? If not, please do not use definitives. As the King Hawks BigFooty guy your words have clout. Use them wisely

I feel like I’m repeating myself here, but I have spoken to scouts who are connected to different AFL clubs. Hawthorn were very keen on trading up to Pick 2 when the Eagles held it, as Sam and the footy dept were/are very keen on adding one of Wardlaw/Tsatas.
Both Tsatas and Wardlaw have long been considered the best 2 mids in the open draft, and Wardlaw is likely going to either land at North or Essendon if North take Tsatas.

If Tsatas somehow slides to Pick 6 we’ll take him, simply because the player we’d have taken with Pick 2(3) will still be on the boards, and that’s how we draft - best available.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

If not Tsatas who's next on your wish list?

I can see the merit in taking Phillipou or Clark. I think there’s arguments to be made for 4-5 players at our pick depending who is there.