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National AFL draft Monday November 28(first round only).
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KingJiath said:
Seems like a few days ago Clark was at the bottom of most lists but now at the top for most. I do like Clark as a prospect but I can't see anything that would put him close to Humphrey, poo or tsatas.

A lot of the arguments seem to be that we should take him because he is a "better fit" because he is that contested ground ball getter. And yes I agree we are in need of a player like that but I also think we're in need of clearance gun or an elite outside midfielder. The fact is that our midfield is Terrible at the moment but has a lot of potential. We're too early in our rebuild to draft midfielders based on how we think they'll fit in a very young and unproven midfield. We need to prioritise best available and then fit around them later on. And I feel like all year everyone has been saying we must take best available regardless of fit which is why i find it strange that Clark is suddenly becoming number 1 preference.

If Tsatas falls to us there's no chance we don't take him. He is without a doubt a better prospect then Clark and still fills a void in our midfield. He's a far far superior athlete with game breaking speed, he has elite clearance ability and I think could become a very solid kick. The only thing Clark has on him is the contested game, which I think Tsatas will get better at once developed a bit more as he's shown he has a knack for finding the ball, and defence which is a weakness for tsatas but can be covered by our other mids.

The poo is right up there with Tsatas for me. Maybe even above him. The talent he has is insane and he could definitely be the best player in this draft class. The height, speed, strength, agility and leap all make him a scary athlete at afl level. Pair that with a genuinely strong and skilled marking ability and at the worst I think he can be a very dangerous medium forward. But it's his IQ and foot skills that make him such a scary midfield prospect. The sheer amount of outside 50 on the run goals he kicked this year was insane. You'd be lucky to see one or two of those from any other prospect. I also think he's a really good kick so having him be able to break free from the square and either hit a forward lace out or bomb a goal from 50 is gonna be a nightmare for opponents. Basically the only flaw I've found is his perceived cockiness which I think will be a massive strength for him. You can tell that his confidence is not in himself but rather in his work ethic. He said in an interview he thinks he's the best, but then said if he isn't he knows he'll work hard enough until he becomes the best. Something along those lines. To me that is clearly a player who expects the best from himself and knows he can be that. The only thing Clark has on him is again the contested ball winning. Mostly Everything else Poo is far better at and is still months younger.

Humphrey is the other one I think we'll take although I don't like him as much as the others. He's a great mark but I question how well it'll transition to the afl. I can easily see the poo becoming an elite medium forward but struggle to see it with Humphrey especially with his lack of goal kicking ability. We've seen the poo kick contested check sides while Humphrey struggles to kick set shots from in front. But if he does succeed as a forward and move into the midfield he could be a very scary player and become one of the most impactful in the league. The way he bounces in, out and around traffic blows me away and I think he could be one of those players who just can't be tackled. Him and duke would run a muck against opposing midfields.

All three of these players, and even Mackenzie who I also prefer over Clark, have shown clearly better abilities then Clark yet most people have him at 1. Is it because you just think we are going to take him, or because he's the best fit, or because you genuinely think he's best available? I'm curious because to me all these players offer so much more but that's just my opinion. It's frustrating but great to have such a debate about our pick between so many players.

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We're the worst contested ball/ clearance side in the comp. That's why the whispers are growing that we're keen on him.
 

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KingJiath said:
Seems like a few days ago Clark was at the bottom of most lists but now at the top for most. I do like Clark as a prospect but I can't see anything that would put him close to Humphrey, poo or tsatas.

A lot of the arguments seem to be that we should take him because he is a "better fit" because he is that contested ground ball getter. And yes I agree we are in need of a player like that but I also think we're in need of clearance gun or an elite outside midfielder. The fact is that our midfield is Terrible at the moment but has a lot of potential. We're too early in our rebuild to draft midfielders based on how we think they'll fit in a very young and unproven midfield. We need to prioritise best available and then fit around them later on. And I feel like all year everyone has been saying we must take best available regardless of fit which is why i find it strange that Clark is suddenly becoming number 1 preference.

If Tsatas falls to us there's no chance we don't take him. He is without a doubt a better prospect then Clark and still fills a void in our midfield. He's a far far superior athlete with game breaking speed, he has elite clearance ability and I think could become a very solid kick. The only thing Clark has on him is the contested game, which I think Tsatas will get better at once developed a bit more as he's shown he has a knack for finding the ball, and defence which is a weakness for tsatas but can be covered by our other mids.

The poo is right up there with Tsatas for me. Maybe even above him. The talent he has is insane and he could definitely be the best player in this draft class. The height, speed, strength, agility and leap all make him a scary athlete at afl level. Pair that with a genuinely strong and skilled marking ability and at the worst I think he can be a very dangerous medium forward. But it's his IQ and foot skills that make him such a scary midfield prospect. The sheer amount of outside 50 on the run goals he kicked this year was insane. You'd be lucky to see one or two of those from any other prospect. I also think he's a really good kick so having him be able to break free from the square and either hit a forward lace out or bomb a goal from 50 is gonna be a nightmare for opponents. Basically the only flaw I've found is his perceived cockiness which I think will be a massive strength for him. You can tell that his confidence is not in himself but rather in his work ethic. He said in an interview he thinks he's the best, but then said if he isn't he knows he'll work hard enough until he becomes the best. Something along those lines. To me that is clearly a player who expects the best from himself and knows he can be that. The only thing Clark has on him is again the contested ball winning. Mostly Everything else Poo is far better at and is still months younger.

Humphrey is the other one I think we'll take although I don't like him as much as the others. He's a great mark but I question how well it'll transition to the afl. I can easily see the poo becoming an elite medium forward but struggle to see it with Humphrey especially with his lack of goal kicking ability. We've seen the poo kick contested check sides while Humphrey struggles to kick set shots from in front. But if he does succeed as a forward and move into the midfield he could be a very scary player and become one of the most impactful in the league. The way he bounces in, out and around traffic blows me away and I think he could be one of those players who just can't be tackled. Him and duke would run a muck against opposing midfields.

All three of these players, and even Mackenzie who I also prefer over Clark, have shown clearly better abilities then Clark yet most people have him at 1. Is it because you just think we are going to take him, or because he's the best fit, or because you genuinely think he's best available? I'm curious because to me all these players offer so much more but that's just my opinion. It's frustrating but great to have such a debate about our pick between so many players.

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This is a lot of words to say "I value other qualities more than the ones Clark displays so I think these other players are better".

Fact is, if those guys had displayed clearly better abilities than Clark it wouldn't even be a debate. I don't have my heart set on any one player, but far too many on this board feel the need to paint Clark as average in order to sell their player of preference.
 
Strapping Young Lad said:
Can’t dunk it though. Sad.
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daniel23 said:
You're very strange and I'm certain you have watched no football after reading your posts. You even admitted to watching 1 game of George at school level and now he is the goat in your eyes. Clark has been rated top 6 all year by people that know alot more then you. Everyone has their favourites I get that but how can you say he has struggled all year , because you watched the country vs metro game like everyone else?.
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To be fair Clark was bloody underwhelming in the biggest game of the year (Country vs Metro)! So was Humphrey but he should have played more midfield and not used predominantly as a key forward target. Clark is a safe play with our 1st pick but I would prefer Humphrey, Tsatas, Mackenzie or Phillipou as they all have greater upside.
 
jenniferHAWKinS said:
To be fair Clark was bloody underwhelming in the biggest game of the year (Country vs Metro)! So was Humphrey but he should have played more midfield and not used predominantly as a key forward target. Clark is a safe play with our 1st pick but I would prefer Humphrey, Tsatas, Mackenzie or Phillipou as they all have greater upside.
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I thought Humphrey was great in that game, just a bit wayward with his kicking. Looked dangerous anytime it went near him.
 
KingJiath said:
Seems like a few days ago Clark was at the bottom of most lists but now at the top for most. I do like Clark as a prospect but I can't see anything that would put him close to Humphrey, poo or tsatas.

A lot of the arguments seem to be that we should take him because he is a "better fit" because he is that contested ground ball getter. And yes I agree we are in need of a player like that but I also think we're in need of clearance gun or an elite outside midfielder. The fact is that our midfield is Terrible at the moment but has a lot of potential. We're too early in our rebuild to draft midfielders based on how we think they'll fit in a very young and unproven midfield. We need to prioritise best available and then fit around them later on. And I feel like all year everyone has been saying we must take best available regardless of fit which is why i find it strange that Clark is suddenly becoming number 1 preference.

If Tsatas falls to us there's no chance we don't take him. He is without a doubt a better prospect then Clark and still fills a void in our midfield. He's a far far superior athlete with game breaking speed, he has elite clearance ability and I think could become a very solid kick. The only thing Clark has on him is the contested game, which I think Tsatas will get better at once developed a bit more as he's shown he has a knack for finding the ball, and defence which is a weakness for tsatas but can be covered by our other mids.

The poo is right up there with Tsatas for me. Maybe even above him. The talent he has is insane and he could definitely be the best player in this draft class. The height, speed, strength, agility and leap all make him a scary athlete at afl level. Pair that with a genuinely strong and skilled marking ability and at the worst I think he can be a very dangerous medium forward. But it's his IQ and foot skills that make him such a scary midfield prospect. The sheer amount of outside 50 on the run goals he kicked this year was insane. You'd be lucky to see one or two of those from any other prospect. I also think he's a really good kick so having him be able to break free from the square and either hit a forward lace out or bomb a goal from 50 is gonna be a nightmare for opponents. Basically the only flaw I've found is his perceived cockiness which I think will be a massive strength for him. You can tell that his confidence is not in himself but rather in his work ethic. He said in an interview he thinks he's the best, but then said if he isn't he knows he'll work hard enough until he becomes the best. Something along those lines. To me that is clearly a player who expects the best from himself and knows he can be that. The only thing Clark has on him is again the contested ball winning. Mostly Everything else Poo is far better at and is still months younger.

Humphrey is the other one I think we'll take although I don't like him as much as the others. He's a great mark but I question how well it'll transition to the afl. I can easily see the poo becoming an elite medium forward but struggle to see it with Humphrey especially with his lack of goal kicking ability. We've seen the poo kick contested check sides while Humphrey struggles to kick set shots from in front. But if he does succeed as a forward and move into the midfield he could be a very scary player and become one of the most impactful in the league. The way he bounces in, out and around traffic blows me away and I think he could be one of those players who just can't be tackled. Him and duke would run a muck against opposing midfields.

All three of these players, and even Mackenzie who I also prefer over Clark, have shown clearly better abilities then Clark yet most people have him at 1. Is it because you just think we are going to take him, or because he's the best fit, or because you genuinely think he's best available? I'm curious because to me all these players offer so much more but that's just my opinion. It's frustrating but great to have such a debate about our pick between so many players.

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He hasn't become everybody's number 1. Most of us realise his 'deficiencies' when compared to our favourites. However he still appears to be an elite talent, fills a list need for us and is currently the 'reported' likely player we select.

We're all just focusing in on his strengths and what he may offer the Hawthorn football club.
 
TylerDurden said:
We're the worst contested ball/ clearance side in the comp. That's why the whispers are growing that we're keen on him.
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I don’t think we can afford to ignore the best available player because of historical co tested footy issues. Not saying Clark isn’t best available just that we need to take the best player whoever that is.

Worpel, Nash, Finn and stephens will have their shot at addressing our contested issues.
 

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KingJiath said:
Seems like a few days ago Clark was at the bottom of most lists but now at the top for most. I do like Clark as a prospect but I can't see anything that would put him close to Humphrey, poo or tsatas.

A lot of the arguments seem to be that we should take him because he is a "better fit" because he is that contested ground ball getter. And yes I agree we are in need of a player like that but I also think we're in need of clearance gun or an elite outside midfielder. The fact is that our midfield is Terrible at the moment but has a lot of potential. We're too early in our rebuild to draft midfielders based on how we think they'll fit in a very young and unproven midfield. We need to prioritise best available and then fit around them later on. And I feel like all year everyone has been saying we must take best available regardless of fit which is why i find it strange that Clark is suddenly becoming number 1 preference.

If Tsatas falls to us there's no chance we don't take him. He is without a doubt a better prospect then Clark and still fills a void in our midfield. He's a far far superior athlete with game breaking speed, he has elite clearance ability and I think could become a very solid kick. The only thing Clark has on him is the contested game, which I think Tsatas will get better at once developed a bit more as he's shown he has a knack for finding the ball, and defence which is a weakness for tsatas but can be covered by our other mids.

The poo is right up there with Tsatas for me. Maybe even above him. The talent he has is insane and he could definitely be the best player in this draft class. The height, speed, strength, agility and leap all make him a scary athlete at afl level. Pair that with a genuinely strong and skilled marking ability and at the worst I think he can be a very dangerous medium forward. But it's his IQ and foot skills that make him such a scary midfield prospect. The sheer amount of outside 50 on the run goals he kicked this year was insane. You'd be lucky to see one or two of those from any other prospect. I also think he's a really good kick so having him be able to break free from the square and either hit a forward lace out or bomb a goal from 50 is gonna be a nightmare for opponents. Basically the only flaw I've found is his perceived cockiness which I think will be a massive strength for him. You can tell that his confidence is not in himself but rather in his work ethic. He said in an interview he thinks he's the best, but then said if he isn't he knows he'll work hard enough until he becomes the best. Something along those lines. To me that is clearly a player who expects the best from himself and knows he can be that. The only thing Clark has on him is again the contested ball winning. Mostly Everything else Poo is far better at and is still months younger.

Humphrey is the other one I think we'll take although I don't like him as much as the others. He's a great mark but I question how well it'll transition to the afl. I can easily see the poo becoming an elite medium forward but struggle to see it with Humphrey especially with his lack of goal kicking ability. We've seen the poo kick contested check sides while Humphrey struggles to kick set shots from in front. But if he does succeed as a forward and move into the midfield he could be a very scary player and become one of the most impactful in the league. The way he bounces in, out and around traffic blows me away and I think he could be one of those players who just can't be tackled. Him and duke would run a muck against opposing midfields.

All three of these players, and even Mackenzie who I also prefer over Clark, have shown clearly better abilities then Clark yet most people have him at 1. Is it because you just think we are going to take him, or because he's the best fit, or because you genuinely think he's best available? I'm curious because to me all these players offer so much more but that's just my opinion. It's frustrating but great to have such a debate about our pick between so many players.

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The majority of people on here have Clark rated behind Tsatas, Humphrey and Poo.

Most of the conversations around us taking Clark are due to the belief that at least two of the other 3 guys will be gone before our pick. That being the case Clark would be a good option.

Tsatas and Humphrey would be taken before Clark IMO. Not sure about Poo, can’t get a read on our interest.
 
TylerDurden said:
TBF, we need much more talent than those 4 in the midfield, if we're going to compete with the best.
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They are the support crew for 2022 r1, ward and MacDonald. Maybe day too. You need a team of mids and you need big bodies to create opportunities for others through defensive pressure and physically controlling the momentum of contests. Lachie Neale wins clearances because guys like berry and lyons crack in hard. We need Neale and we need the other guys to be berry and lyons.

Our problem over the past few years was that only omeara and Mitchell win contests and clearances.
 
Strapping Young Lad said:
Cal was on Hawks Insiders tonight, wouldn’t give much away on how our first pick might go, but did say that we are one club that really spends a lot of time getting to know the players even this close to the draft and that we have continued to meet players this week and interview to make sure that we’re certain of our first pick.

Also said we’d most likely get Vickery after pick 40, that Bennetts and Lawrence are likely to get to us as rookies and that he is expecting us to take 5 in the draft.
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He also said Munkara is likely to get to the Bombers in the rookie draft

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Dewnior said:
He also said Munkara is likely to get to the Bombers in the rookie draft
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Looking at current draft position he is right but after trades and if Hawks have 2 30's pick, I am not so sure.

but given so many others have bolted up the order, picks who were earlier in 20's are likely to be available for hawks, then Munkara will slide down.
 
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