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[Gaspard]

The bulky backman to move into the midfield as a permanent addition is not Maynard it is Crisp. Maynard is a very long kick, but not a very accurate one, particularly when he is looking into the narrowing part of the ground. Crisp is faster and has better in close manoeuverability. Maynard has shown the ability to go onto the middling large forwards and hold them, while still attacking. Moving him into the centre robs the team of these characteristics without giving it commensurate gains.

 

[SchuPie]

I like the look of a number of these line ups but with an eye to the future (we’re not winning the flag in ‘22) I’d prefer Reef or Poulter take WHE’s spot

 

[whiskeytown]

I like the look of a number of these line ups but with an eye to the future (we’re not winning the flag in ‘22) I’d prefer Reef or Poulter take WHE’s spot

Agree.

And it’s why the injuries to Roughead, Howe... don’t bother me

These blokes... as good as they are... are at this point in their careers serving as gate keepers until others can stand up

And one of the best ways of knowing what you have is by giving it a run at AFL level

Give Dean a run, give Johnson and Kelly a go down back...

 

[Gambit78]

I like the look of a number of these line ups but with an eye to the future (we’re not winning the flag in ‘22) I’d prefer Reef or Poulter take WHE’s spot

WHE has versatility. The player I feel will make way for the likes of McCrae et al will be someone like Sidebottom.

The bulky backman to move into the midfield as a permanent addition is not Maynard it is Crisp. Maynard is a very long kick, but not a very accurate one, particularly when he is looking into the narrowing part of the ground. Crisp is faster and has better in close manoeuverability. Maynard has shown the ability to go onto the middling large forwards and hold them, while still attacking. Moving him into the centre robs the team of these characteristics without giving it commensurate gains.

Doesn't Pendlebury going back make up for that though?

 

[Gaspard]

WHE has versatility. The player I feel will make way for the likes of McCrae et al will be someone like Sidebottom.
Doesn't Pendlebury going back make up for that though?

I don't see this as the same role.

 

[sr36]

I don't see this as the same role.

Particularly the role Maynard plays - excellent accountable defender who also gives rebound. Pendles is most liekly to be focussed almost solely on rebound - al a Caleb Daniel.

 

[Nick Daicos Fan]

Judging on the intra-club match, seems like Crisp was ahead of Maynard in terms of midfield rotations? Probably makes sense as Crisp has plenty of experience as a midfielder, including even last season.

Round 1 team IMO:

FB: Ruscoe, Dean, Quaynor
HB: Pendlebury, Moore, Maynard
C: Sidebottom, De Goey, J Daicos
HF: Elliot, Mihocek, Henry
FF: Ginnivan, Cameron, McCreery
R: Grundy, Adams, Crisp
Int: Noble (Defence), Lipinski (wing/inside mid), N Daicos (HB/Inside Mid), WHE (Forward/wing)

Can't see how we can fit in both F Macrae and N Daicos in our midfield rotation for round 1?

In terms of CBA minutes, would it look something like this:

1. Adams - 70%
2. De Goey - 50%
3. Elliot - 50%
4. Crisp - 40%
5. Lipinski - 30%
6. Maynard - 20%
7. N Daicos - 20%
8. Pendlebury - 20%

 

[Horaceg]

Judging on the intra-club match, seems like Crisp was ahead of Maynard in terms of midfield rotations? Probably makes sense as Crisp has plenty of experience as a midfielder, including even last season.

Round 1 team IMO:

FB: Ruscoe, Dean, Quaynor
HB: Pendlebury, Moore, Maynard
C: Sidebottom, De Goey, J Daicos
HF: Elliot, Mihocek, Henry
FF: Ginnivan, Cameron, McCreery
R: Grundy, Adams, Crisp
Int: Noble (Defence), Lipinski (wing/inside mid), N Daicos (HB/Inside Mid), WHE (Forward/wing)

Can't see how we can fit in both F Macrae and N Daicos in our midfield rotation for round 1?

In terms of CBA minutes, would it look something like this:

1. Adams - 70%
2. De Goey - 50%
3. Elliot - 50%
4. Crisp - 40%
5. Lipinski - 30%
6. Maynard - 20%
7. N Daicos - 20%
8. Pendlebury - 20%

I gave you a like just to be first, you’re welcome.

……..and you’re a Nick Daicos fan

 

[Jen2310]

Judging on the intra-club match, seems like Crisp was ahead of Maynard in terms of midfield rotations? Probably makes sense as Crisp has plenty of experience as a midfielder, including even last season.

Round 1 team IMO:

FB: Ruscoe, Dean, Quaynor
HB: Pendlebury, Moore, Maynard
C: Sidebottom, De Goey, J Daicos
HF: Elliot, Mihocek, Henry
FF: Ginnivan, Cameron, McCreery
R: Grundy, Adams, Crisp
Int: Noble (Defence), Lipinski (wing/inside mid), N Daicos (HB/Inside Mid), WHE (Forward/wing)

Can't see how we can fit in both F Macrae and N Daicos in our midfield rotation for round 1?

In terms of CBA minutes, would it look something like this:

1. Adams - 70%
2. De Goey - 50%
3. Elliot - 50%
4. Crisp - 40%
5. Lipinski - 30%
6. Maynard - 20%
7. N Daicos - 20%
8. Pendlebury - 20%

CBA for Lippa would 70-80% He's a pure inside mid who will "rest" forward.

Nick won't play too much mid, wont attend very much, if any Centre Bounce. He'll roll through the midfield from HB.

You don't have Howe in your team -- He might even play next week's practice game.

 

[Gone Critical]

Judging on the intra-club match, seems like Crisp was ahead of Maynard in terms of midfield rotations? Probably makes sense as Crisp has plenty of experience as a midfielder, including even last season.

Round 1 team IMO:

FB: Ruscoe, Dean, Quaynor
HB: Pendlebury, Moore, Maynard
C: Sidebottom, De Goey, J Daicos
HF: Elliot, Mihocek, Henry
FF: Ginnivan, Cameron, McCreery
R: Grundy, Adams, Crisp
Int: Noble (Defence), Lipinski (wing/inside mid), N Daicos (HB/Inside Mid), WHE (Forward/wing)

Can't see how we can fit in both F Macrae and N Daicos in our midfield rotation for round 1?

In terms of CBA minutes, would it look something like this:

1. Adams - 70%
2. De Goey - 50%
3. Elliot - 50%
4. Crisp - 40%
5. Lipinski - 30%
6. Maynard - 20%
7. N Daicos - 20%
8. Pendlebury - 20%

As for centre square minutes the article from the age recently suggests

De Goey/Elliott to share one spot
Pendles there 50% of time sharing time with Maynard
Adams to do maybe a little less time but still be the main man , as you suggest maybe 70%
The others to rotate through will be Nick D, Crisp, Lipinski and Macrae

Sidey and Josh D to be main wingmen.

So base set up will be , my guess,

Grundy
Adams with cameos from Lippa, Nick D, Finn
De Goey/Elliott
Pendles/Maynard/Crisp

 

[sr36]

Judging on the intra-club match, seems like Crisp was ahead of Maynard in terms of midfield rotations? Probably makes sense as Crisp has plenty of experience as a midfielder, including even last season.

Round 1 team IMO:

FB: Ruscoe, Dean, Quaynor
HB: Pendlebury, Moore, Maynard
C: Sidebottom, De Goey, J Daicos
HF: Elliot, Mihocek, Henry
FF: Ginnivan, Cameron, McCreery
R: Grundy, Adams, Crisp
Int: Noble (Defence), Lipinski (wing/inside mid), N Daicos (HB/Inside Mid), WHE (Forward/wing)

Can't see how we can fit in both F Macrae and N Daicos in our midfield rotation for round 1?

In terms of CBA minutes, would it look something like this:

1. Adams - 70%
2. De Goey - 50%
3. Elliot - 50%
4. Crisp - 40%
5. Lipinski - 30%
6. Maynard - 20%
7. N Daicos - 20%
8. Pendlebury - 20%

Really hope that Elliott doesn't do 50%. I reckon the more mid he plays the less explosive and effective he is when up forward. Whilst I think the same about JDG, I think he's shown a lot more as a mid than Elliott and thus would prefer to have him as the one who plays mainly mid and is less effective than otherwise up forward.

 

[Jen2310]

As for centre square minutes the article from the age recently suggests

De Goey/Elliott to share one spot
Pendles there 50% of time sharing time with Maynard
Adams to do maybe a little less time but still be the main man , as you suggest maybe 70%
The others to rotate through will be Nick D, Crisp, Lipinski and Macrae

Sidey and Josh D to be main wingmen.

So base set up will be , my guess,

Grundy
Adams with cameos from Lippa, Nick D, Finn
De Goey/Elliott
Pendles/Maynard/Crisp

We'll get a fairly good idea on Friday. While Pendles/Nick will "roll" through the midfield, I don't think that necessarily means CBA. I can't see Nick doing many if at all at the top level until he puts on some size. Its one thing against his teammates who aren't gonna smash him, but another against bigger bodies will wont have such qualms.



Maynard will do a little. I think Crisp will do a fair bit off HB. Adams will do a fair bit, even if he doesnt always start there.
The three I would suggest with the most would be Adams, Lippa and De Goey/Elliott. Crisp, Maynard and the rest will rotate

 

[sr36]

We'll get a fairly good idea on Friday. While Pendles/Nick will "roll" through the midfield, I don't think that necessarily means CBA. I can't see Nick doing many if at all at the top level until he puts on some size. Its one thing against his teammates who aren't gonna smash him, but another against bigger bodies will wont have such qualms.

Agree. Most teams don't really play 6 man forward lines, despite starting positions. At least one of the half forwards generally plays as an extra linking mid after the bounce - a defender can do the same - Crisp often does.

I'm curious how Pendles and Nick playing half back will affect Crisp's role. Is he playing more mid this preseason? More genuine defence? Or does his role seem much the same?

 

[Jen2310]

Agree. Most teams don't really play 6 man forward lines, despite starting positions. At least one of the half forwards generally plays as an extra linking mid after the bounce - a defender can do the same - Crisp often does.

I'm curious how Pendles and Nick playing half back will affect Crisp's role. Is he playing more mid this preseason? More genuine defence? Or does his role seem much the same?

Crisp's role seems a bit similar to last year. Bit of both. He's not training with the mids, but does attend centre bounces at times. Its hard to get a grasp sometimes, as multiple players have run through there. Sometimes he would start back and go mid, depends who is at the particular CB. Or vice versa.

But out of all the HB's it does appear he spends more time mid/CBA than the rest of them.

Going back to Monday's session, the CB mids were: Elliott, Lippa and Adams + Grundy. Would then get rotated with some of the younger players.
In another CB there was Adams, Reef and Lippa. Crisp was v Elliott at one point. We have to factor in De goey given his injury.

 

[sr36]

Crisp's role seems a bit similar to last year. Bit of both. He's not training with the mids, but does attend centre bounces at times. Its hard to get a grasp sometimes, as multiple players have run through there. Sometimes he would start back and go mid, depends who is at the particular CB. Or vice versa.

But out of all the HB's it does appear he spends more time mid/CBA than the rest of them.

Going back to Monday's session, the CB mids were: Elliott, Lippa and Adams + Grundy. Would then get rotated with some of the younger players.
In another CB there was Adams, Reef and Lippa. Crisp was v Elliott at one point. We have to factor in De goey given his injury.

Cheers.

We'll be interesting to watch. I wish I was still getting aerial footage of games like I used to have access to.

Don't know if you really do have to factor in the currently injured mids too much, as with a mid group of the size their talking, we probably won't have all of them fit too often. Although with the way they're talking regarding set roles within the midfield - JDG injured probably does mean more mid-time for Elliott and an opportunity for Reef.

 

[Jen2310]

Cheers.

We'll be interesting to watch. I wish I was still getting aerial footage of games like I used to have access to.

Don't know if you really do have to factor in the currently injured mids too much, as with a mid group of the size their talking, we probably won't have all of them fit too often. Although with the way they're talking regarding set roles within the midfield - JDG injured probably does mean more mid-time for Elliott and an opportunity for Reef.

touch wood for mids getting injured. But would take some miracle if we can keep our injuries down this year. So far none are soft issue. The fitness program seems to be a bit different under Wade, so fingers crossed that will be good for them long term as the season goes on.

When talking about the variety of mids they want to go through there. It'll be interesting to say the least. We'll be unpredictable, whether thats a good or bad thing remains to be seen.

 

[sr36]

When talking about the variety of mids they want to go through there. It'll be interesting to say the least. We'll be unpredictable, whether thats a good or bad thing remains to be seen.

Hawks used to roll half their team through the centre bounce - but Dees this year on the other hand had 3 stars who were at nearly all centre bounces - so both can work.

For us no longer having a topline midfield and needing to develop the next wave through there, I like the idea of rolling a heap of blokes in and out. Regardless of what is going to be the best for us in the future if we do develop a few topliners.

 

[Jen2310]

Hawks used to roll half their team through the centre bounce - but Dees this year on the other hand had 3 stars who were at nearly all centre bounces - so both can work.

For us no longer having a topline midfield and needing to develop the next wave through there, I like the idea of rolling a heap of blokes in and out. Regardless of what is going to be the best for us in the future if we do develop a few topliners.

Oh, I do too. What better way to expose them and gain experience, introducing the next gen midfield. While our usual mids have served us well over the years, it was clear in the last 12-18 months we needed to mix it up.

 

[Gone Critical]

We'll get a fairly good idea on Friday. While Pendles/Nick will "roll" through the midfield, I don't think that necessarily means CBA. I can't see Nick doing many if at all at the top level until he puts on some size. Its one thing against his teammates who aren't gonna smash him, but another against bigger bodies will wont have such qualms.



Maynard will do a little. I think Crisp will do a fair bit off HB. Adams will do a fair bit, even if he doesnt always start there.
The three I would suggest with the most would be Adams, Lippa and De Goey/Elliott. Crisp, Maynard and the rest will rotate

The balance suggested by Pendles and Bolton in the Age article written by Michael Gleeson had a different emphasis. Adams as the main man but less dependence on him, De Goey/Elliott sharing 1 of the 3 spots, Pendles 50% of another spot. Then the rest being shared between the Daicos boys, Browns, Maynard, Crisp, Lippa , Finn and Mcinness.

Obviously not all those secondary players will be in each week but it seems a big roster anyway.

What seems clear from what they said is it will be Adams, De Goey, Elliott and Pendles who will be the main centre square mids. If you go by the article and count 3 mid spots in the centre they will account for 2 and 1/4 spots with 3/4 of the last spot to be shared among the others.

 

[Gone Critical]

touch wood for mids getting injured. But would take some miracle if we can keep our injuries down this year. So far none are soft issue. The fitness program seems to be a bit different under Wade, so fingers crossed that will be good for them long term as the season goes on.

When talking about the variety of mids they want to go through there. It'll be interesting to say the least. We'll be unpredictable, whether thats a good or bad thing remains to be

Injuries are a good point. If the main 4 are as the Age suggested all of Adams, De Goey and Elliott have rarely had 20+ game seasons in their careers and Pendles isnt as durable as he ages. Will be chances for rhe secondary guys if any of the big 4 are missing

 

[Jen2310]

The balance suggested by Pendles and Bolton in the Age article written by Michael Gleeson had a different emphasis. Adams as the main man but less dependence on him, De Goey/Elliott sharing 1 of the 3 spots, Pendles 50% of another spot. Then the rest being shared between the Daicos boys, Browns, Maynard, Crisp, Lippa , Finn and Mcinness.

Obviously not all those secondary players will be in each week but it seems a big roster anyway.

What seems clear from what they said is it will be Adams, De Goey, Elliott and Pendles who will be the main centre square mids. If you go by the article and count 3 mid spots in the centre they will account for 2 and 1/4 spots with 3/4 of the last spot to be shared among the others.

I read the article but it’s just not the evidence I’m seeing at training. Can’t tell you that last time pendles attended a centre bounce more than a handful of times over the last few months


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[Gone Critical]

I read the article but it’s just not the evidence I’m seeing at training. Can’t tell you that last time pendles attended a centre bounce more than a handful of times over the last few months


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Probably because Pendles doesnt need to, he will be up to speed automatically. For him the new thing is getting used to HB while if they want more going through the centre square it makes sense to have them doing a lot of that pre season. I just cant see Pendles as not still having a reasonable centre square presence even if he does it 50:50 with HB. The players who havent done to much of it at AFL level and are not starting mids from the past really need to ease into that role rather than be thrown to the wolves.

 

[sr36]

The balance suggested by Pendles and Bolton in the Age article written by Michael Gleeson had a different emphasis. Adams as the main man but less dependence on him, De Goey/Elliott sharing 1 of the 3 spots, Pendles 50% of another spot. Then the rest being shared between the Daicos boys, Browns, Maynard, Crisp, Lippa , Finn and Mcinness.

Obviously not all those secondary players will be in each week but it seems a big roster anyway.

What seems clear from what they said is it will be Adams, De Goey, Elliott and Pendles who will be the main centre square mids. If you go by the article and count 3 mid spots in the centre they will account for 2 and 1/4 spots with 3/4 of the last spot to be shared among the others.

I interpreted it as Pendles not playing very much stoppage mid and others rotating through his spot, with him a part of that rotation.

 

[Gone Critical]

I interpreted it as Pendles not playing very much stoppage mid and others rotating through his spot, with him a part of that rotation.

The article specifically said Pendles will be half time HB and was obviously written with the coaching staffs permission. If he is half time mid how can he not be CS unless playing on the wing. I can see the angle of bringing more players in but that doesnt have to mean Pendles is largely gone from that mid rotation.

 

[sr36]

The article specifically said Pendles will be half time HB and was obviously written with the coaching staffs permission. If he is half time mid how can he not be CS unless playing on the wing. I can see the angle of bringing more players in but that doesnt have to mean Pendles is largely gone from that mid rotation.

The article was a puff piece that didn't really say anything other than they wanted to play a blend of mids with different strengths and rotate more players through there. If they are seriously going to play a bigger rotation - Pendles is the most likely to see significantly reduced stoppage time from previous years, due to the stage of his career and Daicos and Lipinski likely to be viewed as offering similar stoppage strengths, I think the article also suggested Maynard and Crisp also for the same spot within the midfield- and also because Jen is saying that he's not seeing much stoppage action throughout preseason. We'll find out soon, but Im expecting that Pendles will start the season mainly not in the centre square. Injuries, form etc are pretty likely to see things change though