List Mgmt. 2022 Draft and Trade Hypotheticals: Kinnear & Dalrymple - we march to no drum but our own!

[Ticky009]

 

[caesar88]

The best part (for me) is the posts after this one, that take anything he says/writes seriously in any manner.

As if his power rankings have any merit or meaning.

Last year he correctly called 13 of the top 15 picks. He clearly knows his ish and I think it's worth celebrating those in the footy media who can actually do their jobs well. It's also worth being a point of memery amongst us given his inability to do his job with us, which even he acknowledges and can laugh about.

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

Last year he correctly called 13 of the top 15 picks. He clearly knows his ish and I think it's worth celebrating those in the footy media who can actually do their jobs well. It's also worth being a point of memery amongst us given his inability to do his job with us, which even he acknowledges and can laugh about.

Nothing meritorious in this whatsoever. His list just collates advice provided by Clubs.

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

Dubai Quacker 28 Nov 2021
I’m going to declare my (stupidly early) WA draft crush for 2022.

Jackson Broadbent, a 202cm ruckman who debuted in the WAFL SENIORS (!) this year at age 16.

Mind-boggling that a 16 year old ruckman can play WAFL seniors.

See you in 2022 draft thread!

DQ - What happened to this kid?

 

[ShireSwan]

DQ - What happened to this kid?

Sounds like a spud at afl level to me.

Jackson Broadbent Draft Profile

A mobile ruck with terrific skills for a player his size, Peel Thunder prospect Jackson Broadbent is a highly developable tall.

central.rookieme.com

 

[Dubai Quacker]

DQ - What happened to this kid?

He didn’t develop this year to the same extent Barnett did.

Played a couple of games for the WA U/18s and went OK, but wasn’t outstanding.

Nonetheless, reports in the WA media indicate West Coast are still keen & likely to draft him, either via the National or rookie drafts.

 

[Millky95]

2020 (Pick 4) - Denver Grainger-Barras

Tbf, did he have McDonald being taken by North? Cause we would have absolutely taken DGB if McDonald was already gone

 

[Dubai Quacker]

Tbf, did he have McDonald being taken by North? Cause we would have absolutely taken DGB if McDonald was already gone

Indeed we would have.

I think Twomey knows who we’ve spoken to, but the Swans don’t give away anything in regards our order of preference.

For example, in 2016 he had Florent pegged as a potential Swan (nobody else did), as he knew about a meeting with Horse, but thought Simpkin was our first preference (he wasn’t).

Twomey doesn’t know everything - but I regard him as better informed than his media contemporaries.

 

[Ticky009]

The Herald Sun's call (Mick Ablett) on our Draft picks. Not a single small forward amongst the lot- which i think is gap.

SYDNEY

Picks: 14, 17, 42, 75

Ablett says: Coming off a 2022 grand final appearance with one of the competition’s youngest sides, the Swans now hold two first-round draft picks. List manager Kinnear Beatson is quietly assembling a sustainable force. A bigger body through the midfield to replace Josh Kennedy and learn from veteran Luke Parker

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Luke Parker

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32

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183cm

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88kg

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Last 5

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24.2

5star

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12.6

5star

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11.6

5star

M

3.8

4star

T

5.6

5star

CL

5.8

5star

D

22.1

5star

K

12.3

5star

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9.9

5star

M

3.9

4star

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5.0

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5.5

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21.2

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11.4

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9.8

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2.0

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8.0

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5.2

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would suit the Swans, as could a forward-ruck type.

Draft Prediction: Ed Allan — the son of former Hawk and Docker Ben — could be the surprise packet of the draft. At 194cm, he has the frame to suggest he could be a beast. Allan missed the first half of the year with a back injury, but his combine testing was off the charts. South Australian ruckman Harry Barnett at 202cm also begs the question.

 

[Bloods86]

The Herald Sun's call (Mick Ablett) on our Draft picks. Not a single small forward amongst the lot- which i think is gap.

SYDNEY

Picks: 14, 17, 42, 75

Ablett says: Coming off a 2022 grand final appearance with one of the competition’s youngest sides, the Swans now hold two first-round draft picks. List manager Kinnear Beatson is quietly assembling a sustainable force. A bigger body through the midfield to replace Josh Kennedy and learn from veteran Luke Parker would suit the Swans, as could a forward-ruck type.

Draft Prediction: Ed Allan — the son of former Hawk and Docker Ben — could be the surprise packet of the draft. At 194cm, he has the frame to suggest he could be a beast. Allan missed the first half of the year with a back injury, but his combine testing was off the charts. South Australian ruckman Harry Barnett at 202cm also begs the question.

If we went Allan with our first, I'd back the recruiters in on what they must see him becoming. Barnett at the 2nd would be great.

Also, happy not to be linked to a small forward, or hybrid fwd/mid. Near the bottom of the needs list.

 

[Dubai Quacker]

The Herald Sun's call (Mick Ablett) on our Draft picks. Not a single small forward amongst the lot- which i think is gap.

SYDNEY

Picks: 14, 17, 42, 75

Ablett says: Coming off a 2022 grand final appearance with one of the competition’s youngest sides, the Swans now hold two first-round draft picks. List manager Kinnear Beatson is quietly assembling a sustainable force. A bigger body through the midfield to replace Josh Kennedy and learn from veteran Luke Parker would suit the Swans, as could a forward-ruck type.

Draft Prediction: Ed Allan — the son of former Hawk and Docker Ben — could be the surprise packet of the draft. At 194cm, he has the frame to suggest he could be a beast. Allan missed the first half of the year with a back injury, but his combine testing was off the charts. South Australian ruckman Harry Barnett at 202cm also begs the question.

As I’ve noted here before, I’m told (third hand, but by people involved in the WAFL) that both Sydney clubs have put work into Allan - but it seems so has everybody else.

I can’t see many scenarios under which he slips to our first.

 

[Ticky009]

Unlocked article from the Mongrel Punt

The Doc's AFL Draft Rankings - The Mongrel Punt

With the 2022 AFL Draft fast approaching, The Doc ranks the prospects from 1-30 before we dive into our mock draft this week

themongrelpunt.com

 

[caesar88]

"A bigger body through the midfield to replace Josh Kennedy"

 

[Bonz]

"A bigger body through the midfield to replace Josh Kennedy"

Whilst it's not exactly a Kennedy replacement, I don't mind the idea of a bigger bodied player on our midfield for a different look

 

[caesar88]

Whilst it's not exactly a Kennedy replacement, I don't mind the idea of a bigger bodied player on our midfield for a different look

I don't mind it either, I'm not opposed to us having a big-bodied mid. I'm just opposed to the constant rhetoric around us needing a big-bodied mid. I don't think it cost us this year, I don't think size matters (wish my missus agreed), and I don't think any 18 year old we bring in is gonna be replacing anyone anyway.

 

[Bloods86]

I don't mind it either, I'm not opposed to us having a big-bodied mid. I'm just opposed to the constant rhetoric around us needing a big-bodied mid. I don't think it cost us this year, I don't think size matters (wish my missus agreed), and I don't think any 18 year old we bring in is gonna be replacing anyone anyway.

 

[sataris]

Nothing meritorious in this whatsoever. His list just collates advice provided by Clubs.

Pretty much, he's even admitted that he doesn't watch games.

 

[Bloods86]

Nothing meritorious in this whatsoever. His list just collates advice provided by Clubs.

Essentially just Cal "Kick It" Twomey.

I joke, I think he does a better job than most. If it was that easy, and others could get the info better, they would.

 

[SGBeach]

I don't mind it either, I'm not opposed to us having a big-bodied mid. I'm just opposed to the constant rhetoric around us needing a big-bodied mid. I don't think it cost us this year, I don't think size matters (wish my missus agreed), and I don't think any 18 year old we bring in is gonna be replacing anyone anyway.

agree with the rhetoric of replacing JPK.. kinda like replacing the other Josh Kennedy or Joel Selwood etc.. They bang on using that phrase every year, but not once in all of history has a draftee instantly replaced a footy legend.

disagree regarding size.. Size absolutely matters in AFL (as it does in rugby, basketball, league etc)
Rowbum and Warner are both growing to be extremely strong humans, Mills is relatively tall and pretty bloody strong too.. but none are as tall and/or powerful as JPK
Petracca-Dusty- Dangerfield-Cripps (All Brownlow winners) wouldn't be as good if they were 10 kg lighter or 10 cm shorter

In regards to the Herald Sun article Ticky posted, if we got Allen & Barnett with our first 2 picks, Id be stoked

 

[Bloods86]

agree with the rhetoric of replacing JPK.. kinda like replacing the other Josh Kennedy or Joel Selwood etc.. They bang on using that phrase every year, but not once in all of history has a draftee instantly replaced a footy legend.

disagree regarding size.. Size absolutely matters in AFL (as it does in rugby, basketball, league etc)
Rowbum and Warner are both growing to be extremely strong humans, Mills is relatively tall and pretty bloody strong too.. but none are as tall and/or powerful as JPK
Petracca-Dusty- Dangerfield-Cripps (All Brownlow winners) wouldn't be as good if they were 10 kg lighter or 10 cm shorter

In regards to the Herald Sun article Ticky posted, if we got Allen & Barnett with our first 2 picks, Id be stoked

The reason I'm going with Hustwaite over Allan is that his strengths include composure, vision and ball use. Things we could definitely improve on out of the middle. If speed is what we want, or someone who can also play wing, we've got others who can do that. Warner and Rowy have enough burst speed. Gulden, Campbell, Paps, JMac could all be put in there if speed was an issue. Also wouldn't count out Stephens in a couple of years when he's fully matured. But would be fine with either, they seem to be the best inside mids we're likely to get a crack at. I'd be happy if Ginbey slid, but Hewett seems to have some issues I wasn't aware of, that put me off.

 

[caesar88]

agree with the rhetoric of replacing JPK.. kinda like replacing the other Josh Kennedy or Joel Selwood etc.. They bang on using that phrase every year, but not once in all of history has a draftee instantly replaced a footy legend.

disagree regarding size.. Size absolutely matters in AFL (as it does in rugby, basketball, league etc)
Rowbum and Warner are both growing to be extremely strong humans, Mills is relatively tall and pretty bloody strong too.. but none are as tall and/or powerful as JPK
Petracca-Dusty- Dangerfield-Cripps (All Brownlow winners) wouldn't be as good if they were 10 kg lighter or 10 cm shorter

In regards to the Herald Sun article Ticky posted, if we got Allen & Barnett with our first 2 picks, Id be stoked

Just thinking about our average midfield height of 184.3cm though and how this year we beat Collingwood (avg of 189cm) twice, how we beat Melbourne (avg of 184.5cm) twice, how we beat Fremantle (avg 186.3cm), how we beat the Bulldogs (avg of 190cm).

We didn't seem to need a big-bodied mid on all of those occasions when the midfield was humming along just fine. One bad day against a midfield an average of 1cm taller than us and all of a sudden it's dire straits in the size department.

 

[Bloods86]

Just thinking about our average midfield height of 184.3cm though and how this year we beat Collingwood (avg of 189cm) twice, how we beat Melbourne (avg of 184.5cm) twice, how we beat Fremantle (avg 186.3cm), how we beat the Bulldogs (avg of 190cm).

We didn't seem to need a big-bodied mid on all of those occasions when the midfield was humming along just fine. One bad day against a midfield an average of 1cm taller than us and all of a sudden it's dire straits in the size department.

I don't think it was an average of 1cm. It was 1cm in total.

 

[tombomb]

Id call Dodoro and say we are thinking of bidding on Davey at 14 just to be a jerk.

 

[Dubai Quacker]

Id call Dodoro and say we are thinking of bidding on Davey at 14 just to be a jerk.

He’d tell us that he’s prepared to let Davey go, for both our firsts, our future first + Tom Papley.

 

[Kiama Chris]

Unlocked article from the Mongrel Punt

The Doc's AFL Draft Rankings - The Mongrel Punt

With the 2022 AFL Draft fast approaching, The Doc ranks the prospects from 1-30 before we dive into our mock draft this week

themongrelpunt.com

Sound stuff. Logical.

 

[Kiama Chris]

Just thinking about our average midfield height of 184.3cm though and how this year we beat Collingwood (avg of 189cm) twice, how we beat Melbourne (avg of 184.5cm) twice, how we beat Fremantle (avg 186.3cm), how we beat the Bulldogs (avg of 190cm).

We didn't seem to need a big-bodied mid on all of those occasions when the midfield was humming along just fine. One bad day against a midfield an average of 1cm taller than us and all of a sudden it's dire straits in the size department.

Personally I like the look of Allan and Hustwaite because they offer precision and strength, not just height.
Warner isn't very big but he's massively explosive given an inch to spare. Allan strikes me as the same only bigger.
Gulden is incredible at picking out targets. Hustwaite strikes me as having similarities in that regard.
Genuine value to the team.
Phillipou is similar but maybe less our cup of tea plus won't slide to us anyway.
Both of those two have growth spurred recently and we have time for them to grow fully into their frames.