Game Day 2022 Grand Final: Geelong vs Sydney

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Harlott said:
I agree Geelong has more talent than us. But you have to acknowledge their experience and the hard bastard factor they have currently. Dangerfield was off the charts with his contested work yesterday. Hawkins rag dolls the opposition ruckman twice to get them up in the first qtr. Selwood’s first qtr is as good as I’d seen from him in a while. Stewart’s letting everyone know he’s around. There’s some aggression to go with the talent. I’d take Hawkins, Dangerfield and Selwood over Dixon, Boak and Wines both talent and aggressive mindset wise.
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Precisely. We have the discount version of all their difference makers.
 
PatientMental said:
Whatever geelong have been doing since 2007 sure as s**t isn't anything like we have been doing.
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Nah, they've just had a better list than us literally the whole time.
 
PatientMental said:
Whatever geelong have been doing since 2007 sure as s**t isn't anything like we have been doing.
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We dont have a Stephen Wells to help build the list like Geelong's.

Played for Geelong West in VFA, spent a couple years at West Adelaide but didnt make 1983 flag side, Went and played footy on GC in 1984 for a year then retired at age 25, became a recruiter for Geelong, became head recruiter in 1995, and about 10 years ago he was head recruiter and list manager, but end of last season he gave list management role to Andrew Mackie.

He built the 2007-11 era off the 1999 to 2001 drafts and trade periods. Its why I started the making the top 4 and building to a flag thread at end of 2008 season and its still going.

When you have the best spotter of young talent in the industry being the head guy for 27 years and 38 years experience, you also have a consistent long term recruiting philosophy.

Wells knows how to spot talent and there is a huge network in western Victoria and huge talent pool and they easily connect to and scout.

Tom Stewart was a 23 year old playing in a Geelong footy league, was spotted by Scarlett, Wells watched him for half a season and said yep he's a real footballer who meets our philosophy and I'm going to give him a go.

They have done very well recruiting mature age players in that 21-23 age group out of the WAFL.
 
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elbarton said:
I know that you have to doggedly stick to this narrative that Hinkley is the cause of all our ills, but the reality is it a deficit in both (him and the list).

Parker and Cripps have a lot to answer for. We have traded off size for running power every time, and that has never worked out for anyone.

We’re not physically imposing or skilled enough where it counts to be a premiership team. So work hardery is all we’ve got.
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We've monstered Geelong in finals before. Wines is one of the biggest mids in the comp. Dixon is every bit as large as Hawkins. SPP is a tank.

It's not that we're too small (although defence is undersized), it's that we're mentally weak with a loser culture and absolute dogshit coaching/tactics.
 
What Geelong proves to me is that it's more important to build your club into a perennial challenger that always has a shot of winning a flag than it is to try to build some bullshit 'dynastic' team that could possibly win X amount of flags in a Y amount of years because that's how Brisbane circa 2001-2004, Geelong circa 2007-2011, Hawthorn circa 2012-2015 and Richmond circa 2017-2020 did it.

Geelong didn't recruit for a distant future. They kept looking at what they needed to improve their list every year and set about targeting those areas of improvement, and they weren't afraid to pay the price when it came to attracting quality talent like Cameron to their club. The problem is, in order to use this sort of strategy, you have to have a list that already has what it takes to win flags.

Isaac Smith won the Norm Smith medal - he had already won 3 flags previously with Hawthorn.
Tom Hawkins kicked goals when needed - he had already won 2 flags previously with Geelong.
Joel Selwood knew what had to be done - he had already won 3 flags previously with Geelong.
Mitch Duncan knew what had to be done - he had already won a flag with Geelong.

Then you've got:

Patrick Dangerfield (8x AA, Brownlow Medalist)
Cameron Guthrie (1x AA)
Tom Stewart (4x AA)
Jeremy Cameron (3x AA)
Mark Blicavs (1x AA)
Tyson Stengle (1x AA)

That's 10 players who can play to an elite level. Almost half their premiership team.

But nah, it's not talent.
 
Janus said:
What Geelong proves to me is that it's more important to build your club into a perennial challenger that always has a shot of winning a flag than it is to try to build some bullshit 'dynastic' team that could possibly win X amount of flags in a Y amount of years because that's how Brisbane circa 2001-2004, Geelong circa 2007-2011, Hawthorn circa 2012-2015 and Richmond circa 2017-2020 did it.
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Lucky for us we have literally no intentions on doing that.
 
PatientMental said:
Lucky for us we have literally no intentions on doing that.
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Got to be able to attract talent first anyway.

If you were a player looking for a new home and you had choices, would you come to Port?
Once upon a time Daddy Donuts was able to sell the vision but I'm sure his spiel has dried up over the last decade. Imagine sitting down with Hinkley versus Scott or even bloody Nicks. Evidently the Crows are a more attractive option for players in the last two years and that's saying something.
 
sobrave said:
We've monstered Geelong in finals before. Wines is one of the biggest mids in the comp. Dixon is every bit as large as Hawkins. SPP is a tank.

It's not that we're too small (although defence is undersized), it's that we're mentally weak with a loser culture and absolute dogshit coaching/tactics.
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Cmon… you can’t just yada yada that my dude, we are playing with one hand behind our back in a vital area of the ground at all times. And that, is a dogshit tactic.
 
bacharach said:
Got to be able to attract talent first anyway.

If you were a player looking for a new home and you had choices, would you come to Port?
Once upon a time Daddy Donuts was able to sell the vision but I'm sure his spiel has dried up over the last decade. Imagine sitting down with Hinkley versus Scott or even bloody Nicks. Evidently the Crows are a more attractive option for players in the last two years and that's saying something.
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All else being equal (and it obviously isn’t), that Hinkley has no more recruiting clout/bullets left in the chamber is a pretty good reason to give him the arse.

Consider the leads that Adam Kingsley would have, just as one example.
 
JakeNeadeFan said:
I think in general it is a s**t idea for any other club. It's a terrible idea for our club. For Geelong it works well because all their players are career winners. They even have Shaun Grigg, who is another winner and brings some of that Richmond DNA.
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Keeping ex players around the club is part of our dna. It’s only a problem when the ex player in question is in a role not suited to their skills. I’d put Chad Cornes in this category.

Russell Ebert pretty much never left the club. Always had some role or another. That continuity of culture is important to maintain.
 
Geelong have a experienced list. Each year they look at how they can keep that list up there by targeting proven players no matter what age they are.
They don’t wait till the wheels fall off before taking action.
A lot of this goes back to the Brian Cook days (Geelong CEO) I remember him saying a lot of Geelong players took less money than they could have got at other clubs because they wanted to play for Geelong.
It’s almost like a big country footy team that everyone wants to be around.
There’s a lot of factors that go into why they never fall totally off the edge.
It’s not just the list or the coach or the administration.
It’s a combination of all the above and that makes up the culture.
Yeah we kicked there arse in a final last year but look what happened this year.
Port used to have the same culture many years ago.
Other supporters used to laugh and say our players are too old too slow but every year we proved them wrong because we had a an experienced playing group we had a great coach we had great administration we had culture.
What have we got now?
Some clown from a morning TV show running the club
A used car salesman who knows more about Greyhounds than Football and a list that goes about as deep as wading pool for 2 year olds.
 

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240volt said:
Geelong have a experienced list. Each year they look at how they can keep that list up there by targeting proven players no matter what age they are.
They don’t wait till the wheels fall off before taking action.
A lot of this goes back to the Brian Cook days (Geelong CEO) I remember him saying a lot of Geelong players took less money than they could have got at other clubs because they wanted to play for Geelong.
It’s almost like a big country footy team that everyone wants to be around.
There’s a lot of factors that go into why they never fall totally off the edge.
It’s not just the list or the coach or the administration.
It’s a combination of all the above and that makes up the culture.
Yeah we kicked there arse in a final last year but look what happened this year.
Port used to have the same culture many years ago.
Other supporters used to laugh and say our players are too old too slow but every year we proved them wrong because we had a an experienced playing group we had a great coach we had great administration we had culture.
What have we got now?
Some clown from a morning TV show running the club
A used car salesman who knows more about Greyhounds than Football and a list that goes about as deep as wading pool for 2 year olds.
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I mentioned Western Victoria in an earlier post today. They target players from there and other small towns, especially those who have played for Geelong Falcons, as well as have a mix of kids from the city.

Jeremy Cameron is from Dartmoor - in between Portland and Mt Gambier played for North Ballarat U/18
Dangerfeld is from near Geelong, played for the Geelong Falcons U/18
Tom Stewart played for Geelong Falcons didn't get drafted then played a few years for South Barwon in Geelong Football League, drafted at 23
Jack Henry played for Geelong Falcons
Gary Rohan played for Geelong Falcons
Tom Atkins played for Geelong based old scholars team St Joseph's, then became a supplementary player on Geelong's VFL team before being drafted when he was 24.
Gryan Meirs played for Geelong Falcons

Joel Selwood - raised in Bendigo played for Bendigo Pioneers U/18

Father Sons
Tom Hawkins from Riverina area near Finley, just over NSW border, he did board at Melbourne Grammar
Jeb Bews - Grew up in Geelong, played for the Geelong Falcons

Brad Close - grew up in Mt Gambier then played at Glenelg
Jake Kolodjashnij grew up and played footy in Launceston which is a smaller town than Geelong
Brandan Parfitt is from Darwin
Isaac Smith is country NSW boy, Cootamundra. was at Uni of Ballarat studying and playing North Ballart in VFL when Hawks drafted him at 21.
Rhys Stanley is from Berri and was picked up by West Adelaide as a junior before drafted by St Kilda.

Mark O'Connor from a small coastal town in County Kerry Ireland
Zac Touhey played Gaelic football for Portlaoise which is a town of about 25,000 people in Ireland.

So a philosophy started by Stephen Wells and backed by Prez of a dozen years Frank Costa, and Brian Cook as 20+ year CEO, they have targeted Geelong Falcons players and country Vic players, and other guys from small towns go Geelong and feel very comfortable there.

The Geelong model would be a good one for Tassie to follow in their developing years. Try and get 1/3rd or so of the squad who played for the Tassie Mariners U/18 team, so they feel comfortable playing for Tassie as well as recruit a few ex Tassie boys back home.
 
PAFC66 said:
Nobody will ever beat our greatest losing margin record
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No one else is (likely) getting away with a doping program, the AFL has 0 interest in bringing to the public eye. Dank 1.0. The AFL battled to keep Essendon out of it and they got nothing out of their program. So we wear the record for eternity. **** the AFL and Geelong.
 
Saltiga said:
www.abc.net.au

Firepits and farmers: How Geelong turned its greatest weakness into one of its greatest strengths

Once a town not seen as the place to be, Geelong has become an enviable hub of relaxation and solace – and it might just be driving the footy club's success, writes Kyle Pollard.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au
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I remember finishing my ocean road trip at Geelong many years ago.
Got there on a Saturday morning half the shops closed.
Me and the wife went to a Chinese restaurant that night, food was pretty good but we was the only people there.
All the young people used to head for Melbourne on a Saturday night and the rest was in bed by 730.
Sleepy hollow they used to call it but was always a big footy town.
 
RussellEbertHandball said:
Shades of 2007. Collingwood supporters and Vic media keep telling us the Geelong 92 v Collingwood 87 PF should have been the GF.

Nobody knows if Collingwood would have finally been busted open by a Geelong side that has lost so many PF's in the last decade.
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So much bogus argument from Collingwood and the Vic mediots. “Should have been the GF” is such a load of garbage. Collingwood may have made a better contest, though their problem most of the year was not getting enough scoring from the tall forwards they had, rather than choosing to play a banged up one, having to play a tired champ… and missing one tall twit via suspension.

But all that’s about who was left to play, not about which two clubs “deserved” to be there.

In reality, Collingwood could have simply tried not losing to both the Swans and the Cats twice in one year. No need for “tall” stories then.


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