List Mgmt. 2022 List Management: Draft, Trade and FA

[pK75]

Western would have gone top 5 in his draft year if he wasn't a short ass twig..
He dominated colts footy that year.
If he puts on some bulk he will do very well at AFL level.

Western is perfect Colyer replacement, just needs to bide his time in the 2nds and keep performing, he’ll get his chance.

 

[Docker82]

We signed Hughes on a 3 year deal last year and he seems destined to never being best 22. We could have added another draftee but prefered the list depth.

Who was the promising youngster we delisted instead of keeping Hughes though?

Hughes was best 22 from 2019 until a significant injury in 2021. Two and a bit years. We only announced the re-signing late but it was done early in the season when he was still best 22.

 

[go_the_dockers]

Who was the promising youngster we delisted instead of keeping Hughes though?

Hughes was best 22 from 2019 until a significant injury in 2021. Two and a bit years. We only announced the re-signing late but it was done early in the season when he was still best 22.

No issue with signing him, but not sure fringe players should get 3 year deals.
Hughes was always a fringe player, even at his best.

It is just wasted list space, if he is no where near the best 22 like Blakely is this year.

 

[theGav56]

Who was the promising youngster we delisted instead of keeping Hughes though?

Hughes was best 22 from 2019 until a significant injury in 2021. Two and a bit years. We only announced the re-signing late but it was done early in the season when he was still best 22.

I'm not disagreeing with you, but the club clearly signed Hughes as depth and I think you're clutching at straws with the suggestion he was locked in best 22. We're struggling to fit Logue in who is a much better player.

Hughes is marginally better than the younger Watson imo.

 

[malpaso]

Why can't he do the Lobb role?

Because we aren't throwing a young Top 10 key forward into the ruck to get smashed up when we need him to be kicking goals.

 

[Tbonefreo]

Im all for getting Gus as a free agent.

Who cares who he pushes out. Healthy competition is a good thing. Can never have too many good players.

I think that we still need to focus on the forward line through the draft. We're a mid short I think.

 

[Taylor]

The board wasn't super confident last off-season when we added a mature top ten draft pick midfielder for free, Angus is a top three pick and also for free.

 

[wakojako]

The board wasn't super confident last off-season when we added a mature top ten draft pick midfielder for free, Angus is a top three pick and also for free.

Our list needs have changed

 

[ubiquitous226]

The Chapman / Young comparisons in the Geelong pre-game discussion reignited a thought for me.
Who on our current list do we see as potentially becoming 'elite' (i.e. roughly top 5%, not just 'A-grade') and where does our next superstar come from (i.e. ~top 10 in the league)?

Fyfe was at superstar level, but injury and goal-kicking have conspired to push him out of that box for the time being.
Mundy also sat in the elite category for me, for how long is the question.
Brayshaw is well on the way to becoming elite if he isn't pushing it already but I'm still not 100% if he will become a bonafide superstar ala Fyfe or Pavlich.
Chapman, Young, Cox, Darcy and to a lesser extent Serong look like they could also be elite to me, and of those Chapman and Darcy look to me to have the highest ceilings.
Others like Erasmus and Amiss it's too early for me to have an opinion on.

FWIW I would put players like Pearce, Tabs, Switta, etc. in the 'up to A-grade' bucket.

 

[Taylor]

Our list needs have changed

I disagree. We aren't list planning for next weekend, it's next season and there's no guarantee that Mundy, Acres, Aish, Colyer etc will be on the list in 2023. The year after we might lose Walters, Fyfe, Serong, Young, Switkowski, Schultz, Frederick.

But thinking purely that we lose players to retirement - we need to replace Mundy, Fyfe, Walters, Colyer.

 

[theGav56]

Bringing in a player on a long, large salary concerns me with so many emerging players on our list. Especially if they only end up marginally improving us. That is my concern with B1.

 

[Taylor]

If Melbourne are going to be a side competing with Freo over the next few years then removing a significant player in their ball movement and adding him to our own is doubly valuable.

 

[wakojako]

I disagree. We aren't list planning for next weekend, it's next season and there's no guarantee that Mundy, Acres, Aish, Colyer etc will be on the list in 2023. The year after we might lose Walters, Fyfe, Serong, Young, Switkowski, Schultz, Frederick.

But thinking purely that we lose players to retirement - we need to replace Mundy, Fyfe, Walters, Colyer.

We needed a big bodied mid, we traded in Brodie.

We needed a replacement for Mundy, we drafted Johnson.

We needed a replacement for Fyfe, we drafted Erasmus.

We needed a winger, we drafted, Noddy.

We needed midfield depth, we have Tucker, Aish, Henry.

Our midfield is stacked, that's without even considering Chappy as a mid. Bringing in Angus will be good for our brand and culture, and add to the experience of our midfield. The downside is that you increase our surplus of mids, take valuable salary cap space away from key players we need to re-sign, and deprive opportunities of our drafted players risking losing them.

 

[theGav56]

We needed a big bodied mid, we traded in Brodie.

We needed a replacement for Mundy, we drafted Johnson.

We needed a replacement for Fyfe, we drafted Erasmus.

We needed a winger, we drafted, Noddy.

We needed midfield depth, we have Tucker, Aish, Henry.

Our midfield is stacked, that's without even considering Chappy as a mid. Bringing in Angus will be good for our brand and culture, and add to the experience of our midfield. The downside is that you increase our surplus of mids, take valuable salary cap space away from key players we need to re-sign, and deprive opportunities of our drafted players risking losing them.

Yeah I think the passing of the baton is under control. Brodie being slightly older is a nice point of difference. I don't want anything to stand in the way of developing Erasmus and Johnson. Or O'Driscoll.

I also don't want Mundy to retire until he squeezed out the last drop of class knowing that he has groomed a healthy batch of 200 gamers to try and make up for what we lose when he does go.

 

[freoextra]

Angus makes our side better and there are other intangible benefits, but someone will be playing out of position full time if he came across.

If Mundy goes you have to be 100% up for this “trade” it will make us a better team with enviable depth.

 

[freoextra]

Okay, I think Gus really is coming now. How the heck are we going to fit all this talent on the field?!

Just imagine Mundy (sadly) and Tucker are not with us anymore and it is an improvement.

 

[Pommie Docker]

We would obviously want to bring Angus in at the right price etc but if I was Angus I would see which team I could be guaranteed to play my best position and I'm just not sure that's Freo.

 

[freoextra]

They play very different roles at the moment, I don't think Brodie has anything near the running power of a Brayshaw.

Judging by the preseason, Bodie has the running capacity of S Darcy, nowhere near Brayshaw. With Mundy gone it is a marvelous option to consider.

 

[Tbonefreo]

I hope Mundy goes again next year. He is such a gem. Every game I enjoy just like Pav.

 

[Ge3ks]

If Melbourne are going to be a side competing with Freo over the next few years then removing a significant player in their ball movement and adding him to our own is doubly valuable.

'If you want to be the best, you have to steal from the best.' - Quentin Tarantino probably

 

[freoextra]

I hope Mundy goes again next year. He is such a gem. Every game I enjoy just like Pav.

Hmmm don’t want to get into a WC position, enjoy Mundy this year but he is already an massive negative in defending his man.

 

[Docker82]

I’m not sure I like recruiting Angus Brayshaw

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Angus Brayshaw

Age

29

Ht

188cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.7

5star

K

11.1

4star

HB

8.6

5star

M

3.7

4star

T

4.3

5star

MG

233.5

4star

D

15.5

4star

K

7.7

3star

HB

7.8

4star

M

2.0

2star

T

3.2

4star

MG

233.5

4star

D

11.4

3star

K

8.2

4star

HB

3.2

3star

M

3.4

4star

T

5.6

5star

from a salary cap point of view tbh. We have some bloody good players out of contract in 2023. I’d hate to lose one of our best youngsters because of salary cap reasons.

Erasmus won’t stay at Freo very long if he’s getting 34 touches a week in the WAFL. I know he’s contracted until 2025 but that means **** all these days. Clubs will be coming for him as soon as the end of his second or third season if he continues to play WAFL with those kind of numbers. I think we’re fine for best 22 mids as Erasmus and Johnson should push from underneath well. We may wish to top up for extra depth though as a lot of our likely delistees look like being mids.

Of course the club knows their salary cap situation much better than I do but I thought I’d add the salary cap consideration to this argument. No one else seems to have thought to so far.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Whats the best 22 in two years if Gus comes and assuming Johnson is as good as Erasmus?

Ryan - Pearce - Young
Clark - Cox - Chapman
Johnson - Gus - O'Driscoll
Schultz - Amiss - Frederick
Treacy - Tabs - Switkowski

Darcy - Andy - Serong

Fyfe - Erasmus - Logue/Walker - Brodie

That's assuming

• 0 injuries (ie not possible)
• Fyfe rotating through forwardline and middle as needed.
• Mundy, Walters and Colyer retired / asked politely to move on
• Lobb has moved
• Treacy plays as a fwd who can chop out in the ruck

Worth it so long as the club is confident we arent losing anyone as a result of the pay packet

 

[s_wd6]

Hmmm don’t want to get into a WC position, enjoy Mundy this year but he is already an massive negative in defending his man.

but he's also still a massive positive in clearance numbers. i selfishly want mundy4hundy

 

[freoextra]

but he's also still a massive positive in clearance numbers. i selfishly want mundy4hundy

Could not agree more about his positives but happy to celebrate him going out on top at the end of the year after the winning GF.