List Mgmt. 2022 List Management: Draft, Trade and FA

[Superkoops]

I’m not sure I like recruiting Angus Brayshaw from a salary cap point of view tbh. We have some bloody good players out of contract in 2023. I’d hate to lose one of our best youngsters because of salary cap reasons.

Erasmus won’t stay at Freo very long if he’s getting 34 touches a week in the WAFL. I know he’s contracted until 2025 but that means **** all these days. Clubs will be coming for him as soon as the end of his second or third season if he continues to play WAFL with those kind of numbers. I think we’re fine for best 22 mids as Erasmus and Johnson should push from underneath well. We may wish to top up for extra depth though as a lot of our likely delistees look like being mids.

Of course the club knows their salary cap situation much better than I do but I thought I’d add the salary cap consideration to this argument. No one else seems to have thought to so far.

Lobb, Blakely, Hamling, Mundy

I know you disagree with me on Hamling and you may well be right but that is a decent amount of salary cap space right there. We would need to replace Lobb if he does go and I feel we have an opportunity to plan for this with the upcoming Mid Season draft.

If Lobb wants to stay renegotiate a contract extension and tailor that salary along with Gus for more upfront in the knowledge that less in coming years will open up space for the younger players.

Tucker is another that may decide it is best for him to move onto greener pastures. Plenty of opportunity to manoeuvre the list.

Gus is clearly an upgrade on Blakely and Tucker. Mundy I feel will likely retire.

 

[Docker82]

Lobb, Blakely, Hamling, Mundy

I know you disagree with me on Hamling and you may well be right but that is a decent amount of salary cap space right there. We would need to replace Lobb if he does go and I feel we have an opportunity to plan for this with the upcoming Mid Season draft.

If Lobb wants to stay renegotiate a contract extension and tailor that salary along with Gus for more upfront in the knowledge that less in coming years will open up space for the younger players.

Tucker is another that may decide it is best for him to move onto greener pastures. Plenty of opportunity to manoeuvre the list.

Gus is clearly an upgrade on Blakely and Tucker. Mundy I feel will likely retire.

Salary cap wise I’m not too worried about next year. The list of guys out of contract next year though has some big names I wouldn’t want to lose.

Agree with everything else you’ve said.

Still think picking up Gus Brayshaw is a luxury you only consider if the rest of our cap is looking sweet.

 

[Superkoops]

Salary cap wise I’m not too worried about next year. The list of guys out of contract next year though has some big names I wouldn’t want to lose.

Agree with everything else you’ve said.

Still think picking up Gus Brayshaw is a luxury you only consider if the rest of our cap is looking sweet.

You raise a good point re: salary cap. I feel with Walls managing the ship (list) this is well under control.

Some pieces would need to fall into place and there are a number of youngsters that will need resigning in 2-3 years.

 

[Ge3ks]

Why are we so certain Angus is gonna leave the Dees and come to Freo. Did I miss something?

 

[Wray27]

Why are we so certain Angus is gonna leave the Dees and come to Freo. Did I miss something?

Angus Brayshaw will 100% be a Fremantle player next season. He made up his mind and has told his family. Doesn’t get along with Goodwin that well and really wanted more midfield time, now just wants to play with his brother.

 

[Wray27]

Well if the source he's cited me via a private message is really someone he knows, then it's going to happen, but as Snuff says, there will be A LOT of water under the Trade bridge to go yet!

 

[Ge3ks]

Oh. Some random BF poster reckons. Must be true then. Ha.

 

[WaywardSonSon]

Oh. Some random BF poster reckons. Must be true then. Ha.

Probably not, but we can dream! It's also very easy to do some quick Internet research and claim to be a friend of a member of the player's extended family. Just hail from the same city and refer to them by name/their occupation, and you have instant credibility.

 

[Docker82]

Probably not, but we can dream! It's also very easy to do some quick Internet research and claim to be a friend of a member of the player's extended family. Just hail from the same city and refer to them by name/their occupation, and you have instant credibility.

I don’t know so much. When there’s smoke, there’s often fire.

Gus Brayshaw to Freo is almost at Jesse Hogan levels of being a trade rumour that refuses to go away.

 

[WaywardSonSon]

I don’t know so much. When there’s smoke, there’s often fire.

Gus Brayshaw to Freo is almost at Jesse Hogan levels of being a trade rumour that refuses to go away.

Only time will tell. I'm okay with it, unless, like you say, it disrupts our salary cap, causing elite young talent to have to seek contracts elsewhere.

 

[PurpleDaze]

So I was reading an interesting article (Three teams in $500k race for Freo star; Pies’ tipping point for ‘box office’ gun: Trade Whispers) about lobb still interested in going east at the end of the season personally I don’t think it would be a huge loss. Meek is shining as a second choice ruck. Amiss and Treacy kicking 5,4 respectively in the wafl over the course of the weekend. Lobb to me has never really shown the passion for the club. Never really been a solid performer his tall and has reach but to me his just a little more skill then a Mason Cox

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Mason Cox

Age

33

Ht

211cm

Wt

110kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.7

2star

K

5.2

2star

HB

3.5

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.6

4star

G

1.2

4star

D

6.0

1star

K

3.0

1star

HB

3.0

2star

M

2.3

2star

T

0.3

1star

G

1.0

4star

D

9.0

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

2.4

4star

G

1.8

5star

… I’d be totally open to offloading him to another club in order to maybe lure a Tim English or even just leave it to meek and Darcy knowing we have a couple of quality key forwards as well coming through the ranks.
Thoughts?

 

[Taylor]

A $1,500,000 contract offer for Lobb while he is under contract for us means we squeeze someone's nuts over the trade.

 

[Ge3ks]

A $1,500,000 contract offer for Lobb while he is under contract for us means we squeeze someone's nuts over the trade.

And what does that look like?

 

[Superkoops]

So I was reading an interesting article (Three teams in $500k race for Freo star; Pies’ tipping point for ‘box office’ gun: Trade Whispers) about lobb still interested in going east at the end of the season personally I don’t think it would be a huge loss. Meek is shining as a second choice ruck. Amiss and Treacy kicking 5,4 respectively in the wafl over the course of the weekend. Lobb to me has never really shown the passion for the club. Never really been a solid performer his tall and has reach but to me his just a little more skill then a Mason Cox… I’d be totally open to offloading him to another club in order to maybe lure a Tim English or even just leave it to meek and Darcy knowing we have a couple of quality key forwards as well coming through the ranks.
Thoughts?

My initial thought - Mason Cox is s*#t

 

[Taylor]

And what does that look like?

A pick between #12 and #22 or two picks between #20 and #30

 

[Hazelsnuts]

A pick between #12 and #22 or two picks between #20 and #30

Happily let him go to WC for pick 19 the second they fit from Port as they slid down and traded the pick last draft night??
2 picks under 30 for a ready made Fwd ruck replacement….
No way it could happen??

 

[sherrif]

Happily let him go to WC for pick 19 the second they fit from Port as they slid down and traded the pick last draft night??
2 picks under 30 for a ready made Fwd ruck replacement….
No way it could happen??

Lobb's 30 next February. There is about as much chance of him getting traded for two picks in the top 30 as Sean Darcy is at winning the half time grand final sprint.

 

[pK75]

Lobb's 30 next February. There is about as much chance of him getting traded for two picks in the top 30 as Sean Darcy is at winning the half time grand final sprint.

Our rebuild is over, we don’t want 2 picks under 30, we need a ready made replacement. Still think Lobb and our 1st for Jackson is the best outcome. Melbourne are in dynasty mode and would be keen to not lose Jackson without a ready made replacement. Lobb actually produces more statistically, plus a 1st rounder to draft a replacement for 3 years time when he retires. We get Jackson who’ll be cherry ripe for a tilt at 2024-5 premiership (plus years to come after that)

 

[Freoboy in Melbs]

If the intel is accurate that Angus wants to join Freo, then blow me over with a feather. Never got the vibe he ever wanted to leave, myself. I always imagined he'd likely have a Melb g/friend that wouldnt be too keen for WA either, I would've thought.

I suppose stranger things have happened. We'll soon see.

 

[Troy Cooked It]

Lobb's 30 next February. There is about as much chance of him getting traded for two picks in the top 30 as Sean Darcy is at winning the half time grand final sprint.

Remove what you think of Lobb as a player from the equation and it's quite clear.

A player Freo want to keep 100%, under contract for one more year, getting offered $500k for 3 years (assuming that would be the 1.5m deal rumoured), we have clear recent trading history on trading under contract players.

Whoever wants him values him with the money on the contract, they can't come out and not value him at the trade table.

Late first or whatever is required of nabbing a mature replacement from someone else

 

[Taylor]

Remove what you think of Lobb as a player from the equation and it's quite clear.

A player Freo want to keep 100%, under contract for one more year, getting offered $500k for 3 years (assuming that would be the 1.5m deal rumoured), we have clear recent trading history on trading under contract players.

Whoever wants him values him with the money on the contract, they can't come out and not value him at the trade table.

Late first or whatever is required of nabbing a mature replacement from someone else

At this stage I would consider it a comfortable win if we can trade Lobb and our first for Jackson, which is two first round picks for Jackson. Arguably two average ones.

The other alternative is that Lobb and our first go to a club with a pick higher than #12 and we swap them their first round pick.

But again, if that's the deal and let's say it's Essendon - they have pick #3. Lobb and #16 for pick #3 is a steal for us and if we can flick that across to Melbourne for Jackson with a future third (sound familiar) then we do okay from losing Lobb.

Everyone is correct that we can't really afford to lose a mature key player in our side like Lobb, especially under contract without replacing him with someone ready to play, and well well, round one.

 

[tonygeeks]

Should’ve pissed Lobb off for a nice 2nd rounder last year and got the Cholster in then used that pick on Stevie Bazzo’s kid like your old uncle suggested

Imagine Chol with the purple swosh in his hair stalking the 50 like a panther


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[Vintage]

I really like Lobb, but he is not worth a first round pick.

we’d need a top 5 pack for jackson

 

[sherrif]

At this stage I would consider it a comfortable win if we can trade Lobb and our first for Jackson, which is two first round picks for Jackson. Arguably two average ones.

The other alternative is that Lobb and our first go to a club with a pick higher than #12 and we swap them their first round pick.

But again, if that's the deal and let's say it's Essendon - they have pick #3. Lobb and #16 for pick #3 is a steal for us and if we can flick that across to Melbourne for Jackson with a future third (sound familiar) then we do okay from losing Lobb.

Everyone is correct that we can't really afford to lose a mature key player in our side like Lobb, especially under contract without replacing him with someone ready to play, and well well, round one

Should’ve pissed Lobb off for a nice 2nd rounder last year and got the Cholster then used that pick on Stevie Bazzo’s kid like your old uncle suggested


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There is no chance in any way, shape or form Jackson comes for anything like the offers put forward by Freo supporters. He's the most athletic ruck/forward prospect in ages and was a key player in a grand final side in his second year which is remarkable for a young tall. He is uncontracted but so was Cerra. Jackson has way more trade value than Cerra due to Jackson's huge upside and potential. Most experts say Jackson is worth over 1 million a year but likely to stay with Melbourne.

Lobb's trade value considering he's 30 is not worth losing a key player for what we'll get at the trade table now either. I hope he stays now so Amiss can have a couple of development years before we rely on him as a primary target.

 

[oldgoat]

And what does that look like?

squeezed nuts?
purple!