List Mgmt. 2022 Trade and Free Agency Thread

[Jivlain]

 

[Hollow Knight]

Damo weighs in

IF ..​

the Lions are clearly in a stalemate right now in negotiations to get Josh Dunkley

5

Josh Dunkley

Age

28

Ht

191cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.8

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

11.3

5star

M

4.3

4star

T

5.8

5star

CL

3.2

5star

D

20.7

5star

K

7.0

3star

HB

13.7

5star

M

2.3

2star

T

5.3

5star

CL

2.7

4star

D

14.2

4star

K

7.2

3star

HB

7.0

5star

M

4.8

5star

T

4.0

5star

CL

1.4

4star

on their books ...

THEN ...​

I'm still backing them to get the deal done. When really good players go public with a desire to get to a really good club, it happens.

Agreed Damo, we are a really good club and we get deals done.

IF ...​

the Dogs are playing ultimate, and maybe silly, "pony up" hardball with the Lions on Josh Dunkley

5

Josh Dunkley

Age

28

Ht

191cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.8

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

11.3

5star

M

4.3

4star

T

5.8

5star

CL

3.2

5star

D

20.7

5star

K

7.0

3star

HB

13.7

5star

M

2.3

2star

T

5.3

5star

CL

2.7

4star

D

14.2

4star

K

7.2

3star

HB

7.0

5star

M

4.8

5star

T

4.0

5star

CL

1.4

4star

...

THEN ...​

surely they won't dare complain if the Dockers play ultimate, maybe silly, "pony up" hardball against them on Rory Lobb

7

Rory Lobb

Age

31

Ht

207cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.0

3star

K

6.7

3star

HB

4.4

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.4

4star

G

0.9

4star

D

11.3

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

3.3

2star

M

4.6

4star

T

1.4

2star

G

1.0

4star

D

7.0

2star

K

4.0

2star

HB

3.0

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

2.8

5star

G

0.6

3star

.

Oof! Right between the eyes. Dare I say it... scathing...

 

[rye]

3KZ is Football can speak to the defensive genius that is Ryan Lester, but that would have to be a straight player for player trade.

lester is an "untouchable"

 

[rye]

Zorks was on Qld radio this morning and said they’re hoping to get the Dunkley deal done by 5pm today

Zorko has his fingers in all the pies

whatever oppo supporters reservations about zorko are i hope they at least recognise that hes an A grade troll

he would be a great poster if he was on this site

 

[Surly Boy]

 

[Nuggo]

Damo weighs in



Agreed Damo, we are a really good club and we get deals done.




Oof! Right between the eyes. Dare I say it... scathing...

I'm man enough (or foolish enough) to admit I read the IF and Then as well. Anybody else willing to stick up there hand up

 

[Nathan Barley]

I think that deal would be pretty unfair. We'd have to throw 25 in

 

[Pns_blister]

Behind a paywall.

 

[Nathan Barley]

Behind a paywall.

We've offered 21 and a F1 for Dunkley, 30 and 39

 

[RoyBoy17]

Dons werent offering what hes worth then so we kept him. We have options if Lions go down a similar route

Options:

1. Lose him for nothing and send a message to the comp that you let emotion get in the way of reason which bodes well for future trade negotiations. Also a great message to your current playing list that 'we couldn't give a stuff how good a servant you've been to our club and that you're out of contract' we will shaft you.

2. Take 15 and a future first to the draft at the expense of second round picks (rejected).

3. Take future first and 21.

 

[Nuggo]

We've offered 21 and a F1 for Dunkley, 30 and 39

Reckon that has got to be close to getting it done

 

[Nathan Barley]

Reckon that has got to be close to getting it done

Nah. 21 is less points than 30 and 39. They almost cancel each other out and a future first isn't enough for Dunkley

 

[Flea_29]

So let me get this right
The original offer was Pick 15 & future first for Dunkley and picks 30 and/or 39.
And the dogs rejected this. WHY?

So we then traded pick 15 for something better to help our overall situation.

When it's all said and done Bulldogs need 21 to satisfy Frem - they will need to 'pony up' to Freo for a player that they have been after for almost a year and IS in CONTRACT (unlike Dunkley).
Freo need pick 21 for Jackson (pick 13, future first and 21 to Melb)
Melb then need pick 21 for Grundy. Coll are not accepting 27 and want a pick in the 20-25 range.

So its really up to the Dogs - how badly do they want LOBB??
As Freo are not accepting pick 30 and rightly so.

Let's hold our nerve.

As it stands

• We lose out on getting a vg player that has selected us (but in actual fact we haven't lost anything b/c we never had Dunkley to start off with)
• Freo lose out on getting Jackson but keep Meek and Lobb (but in actual fact they haven't lost anything b/c they never had Jackson)
• Collingwood lose out on getting salary cap relief and the opportunity to bolster their midfield (but in actual fact they get to keep Grundy)
• WB on the other hand will lose Dunkley for nothing and lose out on getting Lobb.

I wonder who has most to lose?

And ffs, I don't want to hear about what Richmond gave up for Taranto - not getting any late draft picks back is there issue and should not be a precedent for any other deal. I think Richmond have now found out that they were screwed beautifully by GWS in separating the 2 deals.

 

[Eons]

I can see maybe 39 coming back our way but no way we will get 30 as well.

 

[Nathan Barley]

I think to get that deal done we'd have to throw in another pick. One of our late second round picks

 

[RoyBoy17]

Reckon that has got to be close to getting it done

Yep if they reject that then move on. They really don’t have a leg to stand on.

 

[RoyBoy17]

Nah. 21 is less points than 30 and 39. They almost cancel each other out and a future first isn't enough for Dunkley

Take out 30 then

 

[RoyBoy17]

So let me get this right
The original offer was Pick 15 & future first for Dunkley and picks 30 and/or 39.
And the dogs rejected this. WHY?

So we then traded pick 15 for something better to help our overall situation.

When it's all said and done Bulldogs need 21 to satisfy Frem - they will need to 'pony up' to Freo for a player that they have been after for almost a year and IS in CONTRACT (unlike Dunkley).
Freo need pick 21 for Jackson (pick 13, future first and 21 to Melb)
Melb then need pick 21 for Grundy. Coll are not accepting 27 and want a pick in the 20-25 range.

So its really up to the Dogs - how badly do they want LOBB??
As Freo are not accepting pick 30 and rightly so.

Let's hold our nerve.

As it stands

• We lose out on getting a vg player that has selected us (but in actual fact we haven't lost anything b/c we never had Dunkley to start off with)
• Freo lose out on getting Jackson but keep Meek and Lobb (but in actual fact they haven't lost anything b/c they never had Jackson)
• Collingwood lose out on getting salary cap relief and the opportunity to bolster their midfield (but in actual fact they get to keep Grundy)
• WB on the other hand will lose Dunkley for nothing and lose out on getting Lobb.

I wonder who has most to lose?

And ffs, I don't want to hear about what Richmond gave up for Taranto - not getting any late drat picks back is there issue and should not be a precedent for any other deal. I think Richmond have now found out that they we screwed beautifully by GWS in separating the 2 deals.

Exactly right. Another teams stupidity (Richmond) isn’t a factor in how we negotiate a trade

 

[Nuggo]

Yep if they reject that then move on. They really don’t have a leg to stand on.

Exactly - they are not driving at the moment. They might have a couple of futile options to negotiate so it may well be we drop either 30 or 39 or at worst both.

 

[dlanod]

21 + 25 downgrading to 30 and 39 costs us 500 points from this year's draft. If the Dogs are only using a handful of picks, that seems reasonable. If the Dogs are planning on taking more than the minimum (e.g. 13 + 25, with 21 going to Freo for Lobb), it starts being less interesting for them.

 

[haystark]

The Dogs have also said they would be prepared to discuss some Lions players as part of the deal, but Brisbane only wants to include Rhys Mathieson

36

Rhys Mathieson

Age

28

Ht

186cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.1

4star

K

7.9

3star

HB

9.2

5star

M

2.9

3star

T

3.4

5star

CL

3.4

5star

No current season stats available

D

18.4

5star

K

9.4

4star

HB

9.0

5star

M

2.2

3star

T

4.0

5star

CL

2.8

5star

at this stage.

So essentially we’re offering 21, F1 and Mathieson.

Not unreasonable for us to ask for late picks back.

 

[Outback Footy]

Reckon that has got to be close to getting it done

Isnt that close to what was rejected already, except 15 instead of 21? Looks worse for dogs.

 

[rye]

answerth might actually hold some value for footscray at the trade table

 

[Nathan Barley]

answerth might actually hold some value for footscray at the trade table

Can't be worse than that spud who played on Charlie earlier in the year

 

[briztoon]

I'm also thinking should we line up our seniors to get delisted and get picked up again to make this all work.

Zorko, Rich, Lyons - delist them all off to generate free spots to cover all picks.

Complete the draft period and sign them all back again as delisted free agents.

I see what you’re doing there.

 

[haystark]

Isnt that close to what was rejected already, except 15 instead of 21? Looks worse for dogs.

You either want Lobb or you don’t. Freo want 21 for him.