List Mgmt. 2022 Trade and Free Agency Thread

[Jivlain]

 

[dlanod]

As pragmatic as Cleveland Cavs fans were when LeBron left for Miami on massive money the first time?

That was more because of the style and some of the shade back at the owner/team when he left.

McStay isn't holding an interview to announce his decision (I hope!).

 

[LIONS08]

Would we be interested in Grundy for 700-750ish? Oscar could then play Mcstays role as a forward/ruck?

 

[mpal6]

Would we be interested in Grundy for 700-750ish? Oscar could then play Mcstays role as a forward/ruck?

No. Too expensive and too long contract.
Put that money on an elite midfielder and we'll be all set.

 

[Fitzroy bears]

That was more because of the style and some of the shade back at the owner/team when he left.

McStay isn't holding an interview to announce his decision (I hope!).

You are right dlanod. The whole situation is different including the sport and country. My point was people still get emotional about loosing players in American sport as well. Seems a bit nieve to suggest otherwise.

As also mentioned we as a club have benefited bringing in guys from other clubs. So swings and roundabouts. This is probably a bit more of a bitter pill for some including myself because the rival club who snares McStay will get him for free, but I suppose we got Danaher that way.
I will be disappointed to see him go but I know our club will survive without him too

 

[blueiris]

According to Jon Ralph Cameron Zurhaar

44

Cameron Zurhaar

Age

26

Ht

190cm

Wt

91kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.2

3star

K

6.6

3star

HB

4.6

3star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.9

4star

G

1.1

4star

D

9.7

2star

K

5.9

2star

HB

3.9

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.6

4star

G

1.1

5star

D

10.2

3star

K

6.6

3star

HB

3.6

3star

M

2.2

3star

T

1.8

4star

G

0.8

4star

wants out of North Melbourne he’s a perfect replacement for McStay would love to trade for him

 

[JasRulz63]

According to Jon Ralph Cameron Zurhaar wants out of North Melbourne he’s a perfect replacement for McStay would love to trade for him

From WA originally, wondering if he'd go back there. A forward that can kick goals feels like more of a need than a ruck like Jackson.

 

[M Malice]

According to Jon Ralph Cameron Zurhaar wants out of North Melbourne he’s a perfect replacement for McStay would love to trade for him

I don't mind him so I had a look on footywire and did a career comparison with McStay, pretty similar stats with Zurhaar slightly in front in most, some interesting career stats >

Goals per game- Dan .8 Zurhaar 1.3
Clangers- Dan 1.5 Zurhaar 2.8
One percenters- Dan 1 Zurhaar 2.5

Cameron Zurhaar and Daniel McStay AFL Stats Comparison

If I could take a forward from North if Dan left it would be Nick Larkey, just coming into his prime, unlikely though not OOC till 2024.

 

[Tom14]

Zurhaar is a medium forward, not a tall. Nice player, but not a need for us I think.

 

[LIONS08]

Zurhaar is a medium forward, not a tall. Nice player, but not a need for us I think.

Very similar player to Rayner I would have thought

 

[Dalions]

According to Jon Ralph Cameron Zurhaar wants out of North Melbourne he’s a perfect replacement for McStay would love to trade for him

Still put the need for a mid higher.

 

[Hollow Knight]

As pragmatic as Cleveland Cavs fans were when LeBron left for Miami on massive money the first time?

I can understand a player wanting what's best for him and his family, however it's as equally justifiable for a fan who invests emotionally and financially into a club to feel aggrieved for a perceived vital part of their team moving on.

All context has been lost here. We weren’t debating whether fans are allowed to feel aggrieved. The discussion was whether you continue to select a player who won’t be there next season.

 

[Gadzorks]

It's unrealistic to expect every player feel loyalty to their first club when they have no say in which club they go to. It's amazing so many stay put.

We don't work in jobs because someone else decided they wanted us.

Excluding father son. They have one choice.

 

[blueiris]

Still put the need for a mid higher.

I can see that but we have a Quality inside midfielder that isn’t getting games at the moment in Mathieson we have the young midfielders coming through in Rayner Suitcase and Bailey not to mention Robertson and hopefully Ashcroft.

A forward to replace McStay I feel makes more sense I wouldn’t rule out a play for Buddy or DeGoey

 

[bungalow_bill]

Buddy or DeGoey a big no for me. Too old or too floggish

 

[Nunez]

It's unrealistic to expect every player feel loyalty to their first club when they have no say in which club they go to. It's amazing so many stay put.

We don't work in jobs because someone else decided they wanted us.

Excluding father son. They have one choice.

McStay has shown a lot of loyalty to Brisbane. Has been approached by Vic clubs many times over the years but always knocked them back. Even now, it's taken extreme overs for him to move (assuming he's accepted the offer like it seems.)

He is a loyal club man and has every right to enjoy big money to finish out his career if he wants to.

 

[On the quiet]

I can see that but we have a Quality inside midfielder that isn’t getting games at the moment in Mathieson we have the young midfielders coming through in Rayner Suitcase and Bailey not to mention Robertson and hopefully Ashcroft.

A forward to replace McStay I feel makes more sense I wouldn’t rule out a play for Buddy or DeGoey

I am as happy as anyone that Matho had a good game last week and hope it continues in the AFL, but not sure I would call him quality yet (even though he has played 60 odd AFL games).
Just my thoughts, but Cam has not shown anywhere near enough to be considered as a high grade midfielder next year, also not sure about Zak as a truly high class midfielder in the immediate future. Absolutely both can play time in the middle, and then both can be very dangerous as small to mid sized forwards. I think we need one high quality big bodied mid. I am bullish on Dev but he is a year or two away.

 

[M Malice]

I am as happy as anyone that Matho had a good game last week and hope it continues in the AFL, but not sure I would call him quality yet (even though he has played 60 odd AFL games).
Just my thoughts, but Cam has not shown anywhere near enough to be considered as a high grade midfielder next year, also not sure about Zak as a truly high class midfielder in the immediate future. Absolutely both can play time in the middle, and then both can be very dangerous as small to mid sized forwards. I think we need one high quality big bodied mid. I am bullish on Dev but he is a year or two away.

Agree on all your points.

1- Matho can not be classified as a quality midfielder, hopefully he can play our much need big bodied mid role and take some pressure off Lachie adequately though.
2- Love Cam but he may never be a permanent mid type, at this stage projects as a 60fwd/40mid at best, could be very damaging as a mainly 3rd tall roll for us.
3- I have said before I think Zacs best value to us is in a predominantly small forward role, hopefully he eventually does a fair bit of mid time as well.
4- Dev will find it bloody hard to get a decent crack as an inside mid with Lachie, Lyons? and maybe Matho in that role, + Ashcroft coming in next season as an elite balanced mid.

 

[Fitzroy bears]

All context has been lost here. We weren’t debating whether fans are allowed to feel aggrieved. The discussion was whether you continue to select a player who won’t be there next season.

Fair point, however I was merely pointing out that not all US sports fans are pragmatic thinkers as you suggested.

In fact I would suggest the systems of free agency and trading of players within and out of contract in the US is far more balanced then here in the AFL, which in a situation like Dan McStays would provoke a much more balanced view and response by all stakeholders including fans.
For example: Under certain US systems we would be able to trade McStay mid-season, potentially netting greater value then the compensation pick which we may receive or potential replacement for upcoming finals. Then there is the ability to trade him anywhere, not just to his club of choice and the possibility of a sign and trade deal exists there too.

All of these options are not available here, yet and I am not sure if they ever will, which why some will suggest to drop him to the reserves, because 1. He is Unrestricted and he can walk regardless 2. His value draft compensation pick won't change by much as most of the criteria which his value is determined by is based around his age, what we paid him and what they are going to pay him.
And 3. Most would see it as an opportunity to explore our list of players who may want a shot and what works for us as a footy club.

It's not a punishment for leaving, it's preparation for his exit. It's not about cutting off your nose and being miserable and all that rubbish. It's about using the systems we have in place now for betterment of the club going forward.

Just an opinion. I

 

[On the quiet]

Agree on all your points.

1- Matho can not be classified as a quality midfielder, hopefully he can play our much need big bodied mid role and take some pressure off Lachie adequately though.
2- Love Cam but he may never be a permanent mid type, at this stage projects as a 60fwd/40mid at best, could be very damaging as a mainly 3rd tall roll for us.
3- I have said before I think Zacs best value to us is in a predominantly small forward role, hopefully he eventually does a fair bit of mid time as well.
4- Dev will find it bloody hard to get a decent crack as an inside mid with Lachie, Lyons? and maybe Matho in that role, + Ashcroft coming in next season as an elite balanced mid.

Even though apparently contracted for next year do you think Dev would request a trade at years end? I hope not because Ashcroft is not a certainty to come to the Lions, or have I missed something?

 

[M Malice]

Even though apparently contracted for next year do you think Dev would request a trade at years end? I hope not because Ashcroft is not a certainty to come to the Lions, or have I missed something?

IMO Dev seems like someone who would back himself in...however I wouldn't rule out the club putting an option to him.. I wouldn't count him out of being part of a play for Griffin Logue.

Me just being positive re Will Ashcroft.

 

[On the quiet]

Fair point, however I was merely pointing out that not all US sports fans are pragmatic thinkers as you suggested.

In fact I would suggest the systems of free agency and trading of players within and out of contract in the US is far more balanced then here in the AFL, which in a situation like Dan McStays would provoke a much more balanced view and response by all stakeholders including fans.
For example: Under certain US systems we would be able to trade McStay mid-season, potentially netting greater value then the compensation pick which we may receive or potential replacement for upcoming finals. Then there is the ability to trade him anywhere, not just to his club of choice and the possibility of a sign and trade deal exists there too.

All of these options are not available here, yet and I am not sure if they ever will, which why some will suggest to drop him to the reserves, because 1. He is Unrestricted and he can walk regardless 2. His value draft compensation pick won't change by much as most of the criteria which his value is determined by is based around his age, what we paid him and what they are going to pay him.
And 3. Most would see it as an opportunity to explore our list of players who may want a shot and what works for us as a footy club.

It's not a punishment for leaving, it's preparation for his exit. It's not about cutting off your nose and being miserable and all that rubbish. It's about using the systems we have in place now for betterment of the club going forward.

Just an opinion. I

I am not a fan of players changing clubs mid season, don't think it is a good look where kids (parents) have purchased merchandise etcetera relating to a particular player for the season. I think I saw on the news a NRL player who has been with three different NRL clubs this year, and apparently fairly common for players to play for two different clubs in the same year. As posted last night, in most circumstances I don't have any ill will against players moving clubs, but not mid season.

 

[Fitzroy bears]

I am not a fan of players changing clubs mid season, don't think it is a good look where kids (parents) have purchased merchandise etcetera relating to a particular player for the season. I think I saw on the news a NRL player who has been with three different NRL clubs this year, and apparently fairly common for players to play for two different clubs in the same year. As posted last night, in most circumstances I don't have any ill will against players moving clubs, but not mid season.

Yeah fair enough. I don't think you are alone in that space. Me personally I don't mind if players move clubs mid season or whenever. I think there is a lot water to go under the bridge before it happens, if it ever happens. I personally can't see the AFLPA letting it happen tbh

 

[David C]

Even though apparently contracted for next year do you think Dev would request a trade at years end? I hope not because Ashcroft is not a certainty to come to the Lions, or have I missed something?

Ashcroft, if he goes to the draft, will end up at North. I don't think he'd go that route with the state North is in. JHF wants out as does Zur.

 

[Mighty Lions]

All context has been lost here. We weren’t debating whether fans are allowed to feel aggrieved. The discussion was whether you continue to select a player who won’t be there next season.

In my opinion, players who are around next season or not is irrelevant to this season. We play our best 22 pretty much from here on in and worry about next year once this season is done.

 

[Morbidly_Obese]

Agree on all your points.

3- I have said before I think Zacs best value to us is in a predominantly small forward role, hopefully he eventually does a fair bit of mid time as well.

We have too many small forwards on the list, Zac's best value to the club is to be traded for a couple of first rounders or a quality big-bodied mid.