List Mgmt. 2022 Trade and Free Agency Thread

[Jivlain]

 

[Mighty Lions]

I'm putting it out there that I quite enjoy McIvor's posts. He has forthright opinions that most don't agree with but he has reasons and sticks to his guns. I think he's been bullied a bit . So I'm sticking up for him.

As far as Witherden goes I couldn't wait to get rid of him after we put him on a contract well in excess of his abilities. Whatever really happened I don't know ,but he had every right to make the Lions honor the contract and it spoke volumes for him as a person that he moved on in line with the club's wishes and tried his best somewhere else. I was really hoping he could cement a spot there.

You miss the point completely but I've had enough of running around in circles with this subject.

Alex is a fine young man and he chose to move on...in no way was he pressured or pushed.

 

[mpal6]

We more than made up for Crisp when we gave you two first rounders for Beams on the way back.
I do love steak knives though... Absolute gun!

ok, now up the McStay offer by another 100k and get us Band 1/2.

 

[irel]

I'm putting it out there that I quite enjoy McIvor's posts. He has forthright opinions that most don't agree with but he has reasons and sticks to his guns. I think he's been bullied a bit . So I'm sticking up for him.

As far as Witherden goes I couldn't wait to get rid of him after we put him on a contract well in excess of his abilities. Whatever really happened I don't know ,but he had every right to make the Lions honor the contract and it spoke volumes for him as a person that he moved on in line with the club's wishes and tried his best somewhere else. I was really hoping he could cement a spot there.

Not sure I see it that way. I see one poster with an opinion and 99 others with an opposing opinion. No one has played the poster, but plenty have played the post. If you feel that majority expressing an opposing opinion as bullying than not sure BF is the place to be.

 

[Scritchyscroony]

ok, now up the McStay offer by another 100k and get us Band 1/2.

Ok... but you will need points so we have 3 third rounders we will give you for the McStay compo pick. Can you throw in Mathieson as steak knives? He'd get a game for us.

 

[Dalions]

Ok... but you will need points so we have 3 third rounders we will give you for the McStay compo pick. Can you throw in Mathieson as steak knives? He'd get a game for us.

No

 

[mpal6]

Ok... but you will need points so we have 3 third rounders we will give you for the McStay compo pick. Can you throw in Mathieson as steak knives? He'd get a game for us.

Matho is pretty loyal and I'd do that if he wants to go.

I like Matho but I also know that he'll have a very short leash in terms of consistent run in our 1s. One or two bad games and he'll be back in 2s pretty quickly. Matho mostly likely would've looked around at the end of this season until things changed for him last round.

 

[Mighty Lions]

Matho is pretty loyal and I'd do that if he wants to go.

I like Matho but I also know that he'll have a very short leash in terms of consistent run in our 1s. One or two bad games and he'll be back in 2s pretty quickly. Matho mostly likely would've looked around at the end of this season until things changed for him last round.

He had a good look around after last season and there was no interest.

 

[mpal6]

He had a good look around after last season and there was no interest.

Things can change, he seems to be in much better form now with 40+ disposals consistently in 2s.
I'm guessing he'll get a lot more attention this off season.

 

[lionraven]

I was walking down the Corso when I saw this ...


Its over. Dan McStay is taking his BFF ride or die 4 lyfe number 1 homie Zach with him to the Holden Centre.

We should have just given McStay that extra post-match sausage roll (with included bbq sauce) he demanded in his latest contract.

 

[T Rick]

You miss the point completely but I've had enough of running around in circles with this subject.

Alex is a fine young man and he chose to move on...in no way was he pressured or pushed.

Mighty Lions - stick to your guns… love your input!

 

[martinson]

You miss the point completely but I've had enough of running around in circles with this subject.

Alex is a fine young man and he chose to move on...in no way was he pressured or pushed.

Mate your modus operandi is to extrapolate what the people you like to disagree with say and present your own narrative as if they have no idea of what's happened but only you do.

I never said he was pressured or pushed. Or believe that he was .

Surely you couldn't dispute that he knew he wasn't really wanted.

I said he was a fine young man.

Whatever point I've missed I'm sorry that you've had to run around in circles trying to find it. But I knew that find it you would.

 

[martinson]

Not sure I see it that way. I see one poster with an opinion and 99 others with an opposing opinion. No one has played the poster, but plenty have played the post. If you feel that majority expressing an opposing opinion as bullying than not sure BF is the place to be.

Not sure there were 99. It was only his opinion on loyalty , he copped a bit of a barrage ,fair enough ,but some of it was personally disparaging.

Likewise I don't see why BF is not the place to be if I think 99 vs 1 expressing an opposing opinion is bullying.

I can be in BF and think what I like can't I . Misguided, irrational or otherwise though I might be.

Fwiiw I didn't agree with the substance of what he was saying either but there were a lot of things he did say that had merit and I can see why he was saying it. In these days of increasing professionalism in sport as coaches and mentors you need to walk the tightrope between club loyalty and personal gain. It's important that you're able to get the best out of people whilst maintaining both.

 

[Pns_blister]

Mighty Lions is a G. Witho is a grown arse man and made a choice. We had a glut of half back options that were ahead of him in the pecking order. Club was transparent with him and he made an informed decision to leave. Jah bless Mighty Lions.

 

[Brett C]

Regardless of why, the club and the environment he was in, has allowed him an extremely long time to develop and has been far more generous With out put and expectations than other clubs would be or other forwards would get.

Run your eyes over his career stats and compare it to other forwards in the same bracket.

Doesen’t mean he owes us to stay, but to say ‘he has given us full service, he owes us NOTHING’ is also a stretch.

I think Dan himself would be the first to say the Brisbane Lions have given him every possible chance to devalop/available opportunity to reach his potential after 150 games.

Can I ask the other forwards in this magical bracket you’re referring to?

Would love to know if they’ve never been the #1 target like Mcstay. In fact most games Mcstay is 3 or 4 target.

Do you know that the club isn’t happy with his output considering what his actual role is.

 

[Brett C]

Greetings Brisbane board.

I live in Brisbane so I watch a lot of Lions games. Gotta say... Dan McStay is about the least noticeable player on your team. Most weeks I couldn't tell you if he's out there or not is how I think of him.
I checked his stats and they are horrible. Under 10 possession, less than a goal a game 3rd tall.
You guys are a top 4 side so there has to be a reason he's playing. I assume he does a role. What is it? What am I missing?

You’re missing even a basic understanding of football and his role in the side.

Funnily enough as the 3 tall in a side with a gun small forward in Cameron and a number of other scoring options his job isn’t to get 20 possessions and 3 goals a game

 

[Brett C]

She's hot.

They/it/them is hot.

Be better

 

[lioninthesand]

Can I ask the other forwards in this magical bracket you’re referring to?

Would love to know if they’ve never been the #1 target like Mcstay. In fact most games Mcstay is 3 or 4 target.

Do you know that the club isn’t happy with his output considering what his actual role is.

I like Dan, I hope we keep him. He is an important part of our system and decent player.

Where did I say the club isn’t happy with his output?

All I am saying is, we gave him a long time to devalop with a reasonably slow statistical incline, that is not incorrect or untrue is it?

Not the end of the world, I’m just saying - as part of that loyalty vs money tug of war, it feels like the fact we really backed him in through some lean years might come into it.

To be a key forward who has only kicked 28 goals in a year after 155 matches - without ever losing your spot in a side, is unusual.

On the one hand people are saying there’s been no pressure on him, that’s why he didn’t get dropped, now you’re saying he is the 3rd or 4th target that’s why it’s ok he has low numbers - if he’s never been anything more than a 3rd or 4th target you’re proving my point.

I’m not even sure what we are arguing about?

Are you saying the club didn’t put a real focus on his devalopment?

Are you excusing his low numbers because he is nothing more than a 4th string forward?

 

[mpal6]

Nothing new to what we've been discussing here.

Emerging ruckman begins early talks, Lions attracting rival interest

Check out all the latest trade news from around the League

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CLUBS TRACKING LIONS' DEPTH​

THE STRENGTH of Brisbane's midfield has seen ball-winner Deven Robertson come under rival interest ahead of the off-season.

And he's among a number of Lions who have been in and out of the side this season who have garnered attention from other clubs.

Robertson is contracted for next year at the Lions, but that hasn't stopped clubs enquiring about the West Australian as a trade option after five senior appearances this season.

The 21-year-old is the nephew of former West Coast skipper Darren Glass

Darren Glass

Age

43

Ht

192cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.7

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

6.4

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.7

4star

No current season stats available

D

5.6

2star

K

2.6

1star

HB

3.0

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.0

3star

and landed at the Lions as the No.21 pick in the 2019 draft.

Tom Berry, who is out of contract this season, is also viewed as a trade target for rivals after playing three games this year for a total of 20 in three seasons at the club.

The younger brother of Lions midfielder Jarrod has speed and toughness through the forward line and can also be used further up the ground.

Midfielder Rhys Mathieson last year signed a two-year contract extension through to the end of 2023 but could also be looked at by rivals as a ready-to-go contested ball-winner after being overlooked for most of this season at Brisbane.

 

[Mighty Lions]

Things can change, he seems to be in much better form now with 40+ disposals consistently in 2s.
I'm guessing he'll get a lot more attention this off season.

Just a guess for sure like you say but who really knows until he actually puts the "for sale" shingle out if he decides to do so. I am sure that if he wants to move on the club would help him in any way they can just like they did with Witho. I for one hope he stays. He is 25 years old and has one or 2 more years before he reach's his peak.

 

[Nathan Barley]

Things can change, he seems to be in much better form now with 40+ disposals consistently in 2s.
I'm guessing he'll get a lot more attention this off season.

At this age if he's still only playing 70% game time then you have to think he'll only ever be a second string midfielder and pretty limited

 

[RoyBoy17]

If losing McStay meant we could get Griffin Logue

19

Griffin Logue

Age

26

Ht

193cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.8

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

5.4

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

1.0

3star

MG

115.4

2star

D

9.8

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

5.4

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

1.0

2star

MG

115.4

2star

D

9.8

3star

K

4.4

2star

HB

5.4

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

1.0

3star

MG

115.4

2star

then I'm more than happy with that. Rate him as a second or third tall option either forward or back.

Ashcroft and Logue into the 22 next year would be an improvement already.

 

[Gadzorks]

At this age if he's still only playing 70% game time then you have to think he'll only ever be a second string midfielder and pretty limited

What sort of game time do other in and under mid fielders play?

It's going to be less than outside mids.

 

[mpal6]

Just a guess for sure like you say but who really knows until he actually puts the "for sale" shingle out if he decides to do so. I am sure that if he wants to move on the club would help him in any way they can just like they did with Witho. I for one hope he stays. He is 25 years old and has one or 2 more years before he reach's his peak.

If he gets a longer contract from another club than our 1 year, he should take it and run. Matho will struggle to get a consistent run as inside mid in our side. Other clubs like North and West Coast might be happy with what he'd provide in the middle, as a short term fix.

 

[Mighty Lions]

If he gets a longer contract from another club than our 1 year, he should take it and run. Matho will struggle to get a consistent run as inside mid in our side. Other clubs like North and West Coast might be happy with what he'd provide in the middle, as a short term fix.

He loves it in Brisbane & that has a big say in what he does with his footy longer term.

 

[Nathan Barley]

What sort of game time do other in and under mid fielders play?

It's going to be less than outside mids.

80-90%