2nds 2023 Adelaide Crows SANFL thread

[cleanhands]

Yes, I did watch your boy #1, Chayce may play better if he had been on the gas

I somehow knew that was coming

 

[maxlilly]

I somehow knew that was coming

If Chayce had a few pie floaters late on a Saturday night, I'm sure he would be a better player

 

[cleanhands]

If Chayce had a few pie floaters late on a Saturday night, I'm sure he would be a better player

Didn’t work for me

 

[maxlilly]

Didn’t work for me

The yiros was the way to go

 

[Scorpus]

Interesting that all 2019 draft Jones Ned Hamill and sholl all played in reserves today

Because they are shit

 

[Golumless]

Cook at half back makes no sense at all.
Half Backs spoiling is there #1 job when the ball goes to their opponent in the air.
Yes, his offense is very good but to say a backmans main role is an offensive position is just ridiculous

You're about 30 years too late with that commentary. That's about as dead as key forward don't leave the goalsquare and all rucks have to do is tap the ball.

The job of a half back has been for a long time to intercept and start offensive play. Do you think either Sydney or us really care about Dawson defensive work (and no they barely used him on the wing seeing all of his offensive stats improved moving to Adelaide, and we barely used him on a wing)? Geelong, Touhy? Melbourne, Brayshaw? Brisbane, Rich? Dogs, Richards? Carlton, Saad? Tigers, Rioli? Magpies, N.Daicos? etc. Every team has someone (or if they're lucky, multiple) who fits this mold in defense. Even the last two dynasty sides had Birchall and Houli in these kind of roles. Heck you even saw this in the 2000s, look at our usage of McLeod once his knees started degenerating as an example as a player who ended up frequenty used in defense. None of these are players who are sitting there to spoil the ball and mind a forward. They're a selection of the most skillful outside players in the league and why they find themselves in defense (seeing all current players are listed by CD as defense being their primary position) is to start counter-attacks. To go back to your point about spoiling, most of the players I listed don't average 2 spoils a game, some such as Touhy and Daicos don't even average one. They all average 5+ intercept possessions, and plenty of meters gained and a good number of score involvements however.

The inverse is true as well. Look at the rise of how forwards need to be able to provide defensive pressure - it's to counter this. From extreme examples to Neal-Bullen (Melb), Close (Geel), McCreary (Coll), Switkowski (Freo), Graham (Rich - when not used as a mid rotation) as examples of players in top clubs being best 22 forwards and at best averaging a goal a game (but fantastic pressure/tackle numbers). It's even flowed on to the point that small forwards needing a solid pressure and defensive game to get a gig, even if they're offensively talented.

So yeah, half back is primarily an offensive role.

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

This is annoying. ADL vs GLG the only trial match not on sanfl now yet.

 

[crows dude]

No commentary on these though

 

[robboaustralia]

Won by “a few goals”..

Aparently no one knows because they had scoreboard dramas at the ground!…

Sounds like the ground needs a big investor to come in and make improvements!

Protestors trying to take down the scoreboard?

 

[Scorpus]

Club confirmed Thilthorpe kicked four goals so that's good to see

 

[George Kramer]

Club confirmed Thilthorpe kicked four goals so that's good to see

He also played a lot as ruck which isn’t where we want him to be improving so it’s crazy development brought on by poor list management in not having a developing ruck.

 

[bigman]

Best:
Thilthorpe
Taylor
Scholl
Borlase


Good but below above:
Cook
Gollant
Boyle


Solid games:
Ned
Jones
Magden
Keane
Oloughlin
Nankwrvis


Below par:
Murphy


Unseen or poor
Bond
Hamill

 

[dogs105]

Best:
Thilthorpe
Taylor
Scholl
Borlase


Good but below above:
Cook
Gollant
Boyle


Solid games:
Ned
Jones
Magden
Keane
Oloughlin
Nankwrvis


Below par:
Murphy


Unseen or poor
Bond
Hamill

Unseen: Parnell

 

[dogs105]

Best:
Thilthorpe
Taylor
Scholl
Borlase


Good but below above:
Cook
Gollant
Boyle


Solid games:
Ned
Jones
Magden
Keane
Oloughlin
Nankwrvis


Below par:
Murphy


Unseen or poor
Bond
Hamill

How does Borlase look as a ruckman at that level?

 

[Bearded Clam]

He also played a lot as ruck which isn’t where we want him to be improving so it’s crazy development brought on by poor list management in not having a developing ruck.

If ROB was sent back to the SANFL to find form and, in his first week back there, dominated all over the ground and kicked four snags…

he’d be straight back in the AFL 22 the following week..



prove me wrong.

 

[cleanhands]

Unseen: Parnell

Believe he’s been spotted in Sydney

 

[dogs105]

If ROB was sent back to the SANFL to find form and, in his first week back there, dominated all over the ground and kicked four snags…

he’d be straight back in the AFL 22 the following week..



prove me wrong.

On a purely logical level, this is very hard to disprove because the premise is so unlikely.

It's like saying "if dogs105 won the lottery 3 weeks in a row, he'd buy everyone on the Adelaide board a boat"

 

[Mutineer]

SANFL Trial Match: Five key takeaways

A comfortable win over Glenelg

www.afc.com.au

ADELAIDE: 7.3 12.4 15.6 19.9 (123)
GLENELG: 2.3 4.6 8.6 12.9 (81)

GOALS:
Adelaide: Gollant, Thilthorpe 4, Madgen, Smithson 2, Sharrad, Murphy, Newchurch, Sholl, Taylor, Wright, Clamp

BESTS: Thilthorpe, Sholl, Taylor, Gollant, McHenry, Borlase

 

[Golumless]

If ROB was sent back to the SANFL to find form and, in his first week back there, dominated all over the ground and kicked four snags…

he’d be straight back in the AFL 22 the following week..



prove me wrong.

ROB only needed one goal last time. Though it was paired with 37 disp/ 11 clearances/13 marks/42 hitouts.

 

[Bearded Clam]

Be nice if the SANFL got off their arses this morning and put the replay up on SANFL Now.

but I guess there’s no Glenelg supporters that would want to watch it.. so.. no rush..

 

[cleanhands]

Be nice if the SANFL got off their arses this morning and put the replay up on SANFL Now.

but I guess there’s no Glenelg supporters that would want to watch it.. so.. no rush..

Washing their Landrovers

 

[Bearded Clam]

Washing their Landrovers

All out on their yachts this morning.. the w️’s…

 

[Mostyn]

He also played a lot as ruck which isn’t where we want him to be improving so it’s crazy development brought on by poor list management in not having a developing ruck.

Why don't we want him to be a ruck?

Having him in the midfield 80% of the game with his skillset is NOT a bad thing - he'd be smashing it for contested marks and linking play, which ruckmen just don't do.

I don't think we should be fixated on him as a key forward - having impact all over the ground would be great.

 

[tinman]

He also played a lot as ruck which isn’t where we want him to be improving so it’s crazy development brought on by poor list management in not having a developing ruck.

If he’s going to chop out in ruck at AFL level it does him absolutely no harm rucking in SANFL and improving his ruckwork. He can also use his mobility, find the football and improve his confidence playing on the ball.

I‘m wanting to see him develop into a gun key forward, but for now have no issues at all with him rucking in the SANFL.

 

[Multiballz]

You're about 30 years too late with that commentary. That's about as dead as key forward don't leave the goalsquare and all rucks have to do is tap the ball.

The job of a half back has been for a long time to intercept and start offensive play. Do you think either Sydney or us really care about Dawson defensive work (and no they barely used him on the wing seeing all of his offensive stats improved moving to Adelaide, and we barely used him on a wing)? Geelong, Touhy? Melbourne, Brayshaw? Brisbane, Rich? Dogs, Richards? Carlton, Saad? Tigers, Rioli? Magpies, N.Daicos? etc. Every team has someone (or if they're lucky, multiple) who fits this mold in defense. Even the last two dynasty sides had Birchall and Houli in these kind of roles. Heck you even saw this in the 2000s, look at our usage of McLeod once his knees started degenerating as an example as a player who ended up frequenty used in defense. None of these are players who are sitting there to spoil the ball and mind a forward. They're a selection of the most skillful outside players in the league and why they find themselves in defense (seeing all current players are listed by CD as defense being their primary position) is to start counter-attacks. To go back to your point about spoiling, most of the players I listed don't average 2 spoils a game, some such as Touhy and Daicos don't even average one. They all average 5+ intercept possessions, and plenty of meters gained and a good number of score involvements however.

The inverse is true as well. Look at the rise of how forwards need to be able to provide defensive pressure - it's to counter this. From extreme examples to Neal-Bullen (Melb), Close (Geel), McCreary (Coll), Switkowski (Freo), Graham (Rich - when not used as a mid rotation) as examples of players in top clubs being best 22 forwards and at best averaging a goal a game (but fantastic pressure/tackle numbers). It's even flowed on to the point that small forwards needing a solid pressure and defensive game to get a gig, even if they're offensively talented.

So yeah, half back is primarily an offensive role.

Would it be fair to say that often 1 flank is offensive, 1 defensive?

Do many teams have rebounding/attacking runners as both flanks?