Official Club Stuff 2023 AGM - held on Friday 9th Feb 2024

[Ford Fairlane]

Certainly Richardson gave the impression that they fear the team falling apart if Hinkley is replaced.

Lol if that's the case, then we have the wrong players. It is a football club not a cult of personality.

When Fos Williams and John Cahill - our greatest ever coaches - left Port, the players didn't leave en masse.

 

[TeeKray]

Richo is right in a sense, there is definitely a risk in things going backwards by 'resetting the programme'.

But guess what? We have over a decade of evidence that tells us we are zero chance of winning a premiership under the current programme. Sure, the current programme has proven it will always be around the mark of finals at least and sometimes even more than that. But aren't we the club who claim 'we exist to win premierships'? What's the point of finishing 3rd or 5th or 10th every year? Never first but never last.

It doesn't take too much thinking to realise what the real reason is. If the programme goes backwards and we finish 13th a couple of times, guess what happens? People lose their jobs. The CEO, the footy manager, etc. They like the stability that the current programme delivers because it's in THEIR personal interests to have a coach who never takes the team low enough on the ladder for serious questions to be asked (outside the white noise) and for people to start losing their jobs.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Many thanks to those BF posters who attended the AGM and have given such detailed info.

Greatly appreciated.

Fortunately I have greater faith in those posters than the current administration.

Rhetorical question but do Richardson, Koch, Hinkley ever listen to themselves. Richardson especially.

When they walk they slosh because of the bathwater they've been drinking.

 

[bow and arrow]

Well then Einstein, don't promise 3 in 5 years and get bent out of shape when members express their frustration.

What about trying a new coach! We've tried everything else!

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[crafty_bernardo]

11 years and zero grand final appearances, but they don't want to reset the program? lol

Don't worry everyone. Some top 4 finishes, we are almost there! Can't risk the change!

 

[Bump Bailey]

Look, I would accept moving Ken into a player development role beside a new senior coach, but he simply is not a competent tactical coach.

Imagine making Choco senior coach for the next 5 years with Ken as player development coach.
I would go down to the club today and pay for 5 years worth of memberships and go to every game.

Another 2 years of same old, judge me on the good bits bullshit, yeh nah, let me know when its over.
Wont get fooled again.

He needs to be gone, full stop. There is no way any incoming senior coach is going to want him hanging around in any capacity, potentially being undermined. Mark Williams had Ken figured out years ago and would kick his ass to the curb instantly.

 

[bow and arrow]

How can we be run by a group of people terrified of change. Unbelievable!

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[TazD]

How can we be run by a group of people terrified of change. Unbelievable!

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Because change is admitting they were wrong and certain egos can't handle that.

 

[Harlott]

In answer to the bolded part - no.

They said a few times that we were spending 99.9% of our soft cap. So the current inability to get it done from a coaching and off-field perspective isn’t based on the financials or lack of spend, it’s based on the fact that they’ve invested in the wrong people and feel that they’re too close to succeeding to change it now (which after 11 years with the same coach feels like folly to me, but I’m only white noise).

100% this

 

[Harlott]

Went very hard litigating that point after the thing had ended.

“If you remove the coach you aren’t just removing the coach, you’re resetting the whole program, you’ll lose some players, others won’t come if they don’t know who the coach is. There’s not one thing that can guarantee you a premiership”

He also made reference to the fact that they knew what was happening in the membership base and how divisive Ken’s extension was going to be, and it wasn’t a decision they made lightly. I took the comments to mean that they don’t want to change tack while the club is sitting in the top 4, regardless of exposed form in the finals. So, basically, cross your fingers and hope that Ken manages to win a flag because until the next contract is up I don’t see anyone ousting him or falling on their own swords.

What a gutless gutless stance

 

[Contested Marx]

You'd think a financial mastermind like Koch would spot a sunk cost fallacy Hey

 

[Grave Danger]

Lol if that's the case, then we have the wrong players. It is a football club not a cult of personality.

When Fos Williams and John Cahill - our greatest ever coaches - left Port, the players didn't leave en masse.

Instead of a Sack Hinkley sticker on the sign outside Alberton it should be a picture of Kenny wearing Jim Jones style sunnies: "Hinkleytown"

 

[Grave Danger]

In answer to the bolded part - no.

They said a few times that we were spending 99.9% of our soft cap. So the current inability to get it done from a coaching and off-field perspective isn’t based on the financials or lack of spend, it’s based on the fact that they’ve invested in the wrong people and feel that they’re too close to succeeding to change it now (which after 11 years with the same coach feels like folly to me, but I’m only white noise).

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

When would be the last time the club didn't owe either the sanfl or the afl any $$$ REH?

Probably 2007

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

RussellEbertHandball Greg Boulton confirmed in his interview recently he had to stand for re-election every year. Did the constitution change when we hit the skids 2012 and if so, how do we change it back?

Yes the constitution changed re who faces election.

Greg was one of the 5 elected board directors. He didnt have to stand every year. He misspoke, as he had to stand every time his 3 year term ended. He insisted from the start, he was a member elected Chair, not appointed by SANFL, like Duncanson was.

We had 5 elected + 5 SANFL appointed between 1997 and 2008.

Constitution was changed in 2008, and it became 4 + 4 + board could appoint 2 experts in their field. So effectively 4 + 6.

2013 constitution was changed to start on 1st November 2013 and it became 2 + 8. Koch was appointed by AFL, unlike Greg who was elected by members pre AFL days and continued once qe got in.

 

[TazD]

Realistically which players would leave if Ken got sacked tomorrow? What a cop out. Zero players of any consequence left Richmond or Gold Coast last season. Are they saying our club culture is less than the SUNS?

 

[PowerLil]

Yes the constitution changed re who faces election.

Greg was one of the 5 elected board directors. He didnt have to stand every year, He misspoke, as he had to stand every time his 3 year term ended. He insisted from the start he was a member elected Chair not appointed by SANFL, like Duncanson was.

We had 5 elected + 5 sanfl appointed between 1997 and 2008.

Constitution changed in 2008 was 4 + 4 + board could appoint 2 experts in their field.

2013 constitution was changed to start on 1st November 2013 and it became 2 + 8. Koch was appointed by AFL, unlike Greg who was elected by members pre AFL days and continued once qe got in.

Thank you.

 

[Launchpad McQuack]

Look, I would accept moving Ken into a player development role beside a new senior coach, but he simply is not a competent tactical coach.

Absolutely not. He is a malignancy that needs to be excised.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

The member raising the question about the POW not serving meals was unfortunately not articulated with depth. However it is a club assest and the last that I knew about it was that it had a massive debt. So how does it fit in with the club's current debt being less than 4M? Is the POW debt serviced separately? It hasn't been serving meals since the pandemic began which could be a concern, but the club has previously stated that the bistros of both the Port Club and the POW just break even, so they're probably not worried about it. All I know is that the tiny front bar has been open but unsure about the pokies. I hardly see advertisements for the place. Prior to the pandemic the club would make a point of the financials and the massive debt on the POW.

The POW bank debt was $1.5m when the merger happened in 2010. That debt was part of the big increase in debt on PAFC's Ltd balance sheet for 2011. Then post merger Gordan Pickard lent the club money to renovate it.

Whatever debt is left from these 2 loans, it is part of the $3.8m in our 2023 balance sheet.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

RussellEbertHandball Greg Boulton confirmed in his interview recently he had to stand for re-election every year. Did the constitution change when we hit the skids 2012 and if so, how do we change it back?

Thinking about this a bit more, Greg said something about every year, but I think he meant every year he was chairman of the board, he would ask the rest of the board at the start of the year, iif they wanted him to remain as chairman.

 

[Duck Farmer]

How can we be run by a group of people terrified of change. Unbelievable!

In theory, we're not.

 

[bomberclifford]

Wasn't taking on the PoW originally part of a plan to relocate the pokies from the Port Club?

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Probably 2007

Wouldn't it be just perfect if we had owed them $119? Ha ... ha ... ha ha ha ...

 

[bomberclifford]

In theory, we're not.

COMFORT
STABILITY
ZONE

 

[Rexie J]

Wouldn't it be just perfect if we had owed them $119? Ha ... ha ... ha ha ha ...

Ford, you have an evil sense of humour