Analysis 2023 - Best 22

[SeanM]

Amartey would have been in the 3rd group so would have started 30 seconds after Stephens.

 

[The King!]

cant see us losing a game

 

[Kiama Chris]

Amartey would have been in the 3rd group so would have started 30 seconds after Stephens.

After or before?

 

[caesar88]

After or before?

After. As I understand it they stagger the time trials into groups based on their past/expected results. (Or something like that - cannot remember where I heard this.)

You could also see Clarke, Gulden and Rampe in the background of the Stephens/Fox video. All regular time trial kings, all likely in that first group.

I'm pretty sure the time trials have been shared almost exclusively by Stephens & Fox over the last few years. Good for them but IMO it makes it boring for us fans, because our media team's coverage of the time trials sucks, and we generally only see and hear about the top 2/3, and when it's the same 2/3 every time - which it is - then what are we learning?

I realise I am sounding like an absolute curmudgeon when it comes to our media team lately, but I'd rather hear about who achieved PBs, than which one of the same usual suspects won the time trial.

 

[SeanM]

Bloodspirit on RWO wrote down the first 10 finishers (as well as other observations). In the twitter video you can kind of see the players finishing after Stephens/Fox. They don't seem to be as far behind as previous years.

They run in three groups with 15 seconds between groups.

I struggled to pay attention to everything and did not write anything down. But in addition to those 10 players Bloodspirit mentioned I think Mitchell, Mcinerney, Chad Warner

1

Chad Warner

Age

23

Ht

185cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.0

2star

K

4.5

2star

HB

2.5

2star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.5

3star

CL

0.0

1star

D

7.0

1star

K

4.5

2star

HB

2.5

2star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.5

2star

CL

0.0

1star

D

7.0

2star

K

4.5

2star

HB

2.5

3star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.5

4star

CL

0.0

1star

, Campbell and maybe McLean were probably also in the first group.

Of the new draftees. Mitchell was in the first group, was in the middle of the pack for most of the run but seem to fall back a bit in the last lap. I think Vickery could have been 2nd in the second group. Magor was mid pack in the second group. Konstanty also in the second group. Owens and I think Edward were in the third group.

 

[Kirkswan]

After. As I understand it they stagger the time trials into groups based on their past/expected results. (Or something like that - cannot remember where I heard this.)

You could also see Clarke, Gulden and Rampe in the background of the Stephens/Fox video. All regular time trial kings, all likely in that first group.

I'm pretty sure the time trials have been shared almost exclusively by Stephens & Fox over the last few years. Good for them but IMO it makes it boring for us fans, because our media team's coverage of the time trials sucks, and we generally only see and hear about the top 2/3, and when it's the same 2/3 every time - which it is - then what are we learning?

I realise I am sounding like an absolute curmudgeon when it comes to our media team lately, but I'd rather hear about who achieved PBs, than which one of the same usual suspects won the time trial.

Have you written to them to let them know what you want to see? They are pretty responsive, and you may well find out that our media 'bites' are distributed by the AFL and there is nothing the Swans can do...

 

[caesar88]

Hard to argue with this line-up but gee whiz some lucky prick at Fox Footy just pocketed what I'm sure was a decent paycheck for copy and pasting our exact line-up from the preliminary final side

The 32 fresh faces who’ll force their way into Rd 1 teams... and who’ll miss out: AFL best 22s

The 32 fresh faces who’ll force their way into Rd 1 teams... and who’ll miss out: AFL best 22s

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[rustycrate]

Hard to argue with this line-up but gee whiz some lucky prick at Fox Footy just pocketed what I'm sure was a decent paycheck for copy and pasting our exact line-up from the preliminary final side

The 32 fresh faces who’ll force their way into Rd 1 teams... and who’ll miss out: AFL best 22s

The 32 fresh faces who’ll force their way into Rd 1 teams... and who’ll miss out: AFL best 22s

www.foxsports.com.au

I don't know why he got paid anything. We did not pick up Angus McLennan. Saints did.

 

[Gimmeafree]

Pyke was 204cm and had sensational speed and agility for his size. McLean is 197cm comparatively slow with good marking ability, excellent kick , big tank and average speed with poor agility.
They are nothing alike.

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Slow, big tank, average speed and poor agility. Sounds like the car I just raced with when getting flogged playing Mario Kart.

 

[rustycrate]

I have made some substantial changes to the list that I have published occasionally this year.
There are about 5 substantial changes.
Most of what you have seen this year has been retained enhanced.
But there are lots of nice things added.
The list will be published weekly after the teams are announced every Thursday.
You will all love it. I do. I would like to give you a glimpse, but I don't want other teams to catch up.
I looks great!!

 

[Mikevk123]

B D.Rampe T.McCartin R.Fox
HB N.Blakely P.McCartin J.Lloyd
C O.Florent C.Mills J.Mclernery
HF E.Gulden L.McDonald W.Hayward
F T.Papley L.Franklin I.Heeney
FOLL- T.Hickey L.Parker C.Warner
I/C- J.Rowbottom, D.Stephens, R.Clarke, P.Ladhams

 

[Millky95]

B D.Rampe T.McCartin R.Fox
HB N.Blakely P.McCartin J.Lloyd
C O.Florent C.Mills J.Mclernery
HF E.Gulden L.McDonald W.Hayward
F T.Papley L.Franklin I.Heeney
FOLL- T.Hickey L.Parker C.Warner
I/C- J.Rowbottom, D.Stephens, R.Clarke, P.Ladhams

Ladhams over Reid is an interesting one when Hickey is still in the side

 

[Kiama Chris]

Ladhams over Reid is an interesting one when Hickey is still in the side

When we first traded Ladhams and Reid had just scraped another year that's how I thought we were going to line up, with Ladhams in the role Reid made his own.
I think it's still a possibility BUT I'm not sure how Buddy, Logan and Ladhams works when all three are out there or whether they get in each others' way.
One of the reasons I like McLean is that he is a disciplined player, like Reid.
This is the puzzle for the match committee to solve!

 

[SSwans2011]

At the moment, I'd say Reid is in our half a dozen most important players for next season. He's clearly our most important key forward.

Buddy cannot be the focal point anymore, and it's unreasonable to expect it of McDonald.

Reid's body is the only thing that would stop him from being a lock.

 

[Millky95]

At the moment, I'd say Reid is in our half a dozen most important players for next season. He's clearly our most important key forward.

Buddy cannot be the focal point anymore, and it's unreasonable to expect it of McDonald.

Reid's body is the only thing that would stop him from being a lock.

Whilst you are correct, I am kinda tired of relying on Reid

 

[RUNVS]

Whilst you are correct, I am kinda tired of relying on Reid

I am not sure I have forgiven Reid for putting his hand up for the Grand Final. It was selfish to do so.

 

[SSwans2011]

Whilst you are correct, I am kinda tired of relying on Reid

We haven't really relied on him much in recent times, to be fair. We're also not really relying on him going forward either - we've got a very good forward set-up.

He's still our best contested mark, and there's probably an argument to be made that he was one of the best contested marks in the comp for a large part of this season. There's probably even an argument to be made that he was the best resting ruck in the competition this season other than Blicavs.

 

[Millky95]

We haven't really relied on him much in recent times, to be fair. We're also not really relying on him going forward either - we've got a very good forward set-up.

He's still our best contested mark, and there's probably an argument to be made that he was one of the best contested marks in the comp for a large part of this season. There's probably even an argument to be made that he was the best resting ruck in the competition this season other than Blicavs.

I don't disagree with anything about this but I just find him just unreliable enough to make me worry

It's like would you feel more reassured having Nick Smith or Cunningham as your lockdown small back? Smith was just more reliable

 

[Millky95]

Tbf I am probably not making sense. A fit and in form Sam Reid is best 22 every week

 

[Maximumlnsanity]

At the moment, I'd say Reid is in our half a dozen most important players for next season. He's clearly our most important key forward.

Buddy cannot be the focal point anymore, and it's unreasonable to expect it of McDonald.

Reid's body is the only thing that would stop him from being a lock.

I disagree. Too many players in his position fighting for his spot to consider any KPF bar Franklin a lock. Reid's work up the ground is replaceable, and so is his backup ruckwork. Those are what made him fantastic in 2022 but they are by no means only skills he alone possesses.

I'm gonna slightly tweak what other people have been saying. I'm sick of Horse relying on Reid. Yes he was arguably in career form in 2022, yes he's more than earned his extension, yes he's rightly penciled in for Round 1 currently, yes we should be putting out our most competitive team every week regardless of age and experience while we're in a contending window. I just wish that Horse would give guys like Logan, McLean, and Amartey more than like 2 weeks worth of chances before falling back on Reid. Yes he gave them all extended runs but rarely together, instead it's Buddy+Reid+X. I just want to see if there's a winning formula or at the bare minimum some good chemistry between these three, hell we've already seen briefly that McLean and McDonald compliment each other well. We have to develop for the future, Buddy's already confirmed to be retiring in 2023 and Reid is one bad patch of form/injury away from joining him. We can't rely on these two if we want to succeed beyond next year

 

[sataris]

Tbf I am probably not making sense. A fit and in form Sam Reid is best 22 every week

His 2016 form was nigh unstoppable.

 

[rustycrate]

After. As I understand it they stagger the time trials into groups based on their past/expected results. (Or something like that - cannot remember where I heard this.)

You could also see Clarke, Gulden and Rampe in the background of the Stephens/Fox video. All regular time trial kings, all likely in that first group.

I'm pretty sure the time trials have been shared almost exclusively by Stephens & Fox over the last few years. Good for them but IMO it makes it boring for us fans, because our media team's coverage of the time trials sucks, and we generally only see and hear about the top 2/3, and when it's the same 2/3 every time - which it is - then what are we learning?

I realise I am sounding like an absolute curmudgeon when it comes to our media team lately, but I'd rather hear about who achieved PBs, than which one of the same usual suspects won the time trial.

I wouldn't mind being accused as a curmudgeon. Sounds cool!!

 

[rustycrate]

I disagree. Too many players in his position fighting for his spot to consider any KPF bar Franklin a lock. Reid's work up the ground is replaceable, and so is his backup ruckwork. Those are what made him fantastic in 2022 but they are by no means only skills he alone possesses.

I'm gonna slightly tweak what other people have been saying. I'm sick of Horse relying on Reid. Yes he was arguably in career form in 2022, yes he's more than earned his extension, yes he's rightly penciled in for Round 1 currently, yes we should be putting out our most competitive team every week regardless of age and experience while we're in a contending window. I just wish that Horse would give guys like Logan, McLean, and Amartey more than like 2 weeks worth of chances before falling back on Reid. Yes he gave them all extended runs but rarely together, instead it's Buddy+Reid+X. I just want to see if there's a winning formula or at the bare minimum some good chemistry between these three, hell we've already seen briefly that McLean and McDonald compliment each other well. We have to develop for the future, Buddy's already confirmed to be retiring in 2023 and Reid is one bad patch of form/injury away from joining him. We can't rely on these two if we want to succeed beyond next year

Amartey is the closest Reid clone that we have. It would be up to him to aim for that role in the 1s this preseason and take it.
I'm a little surprised and disappointed in Amartey after Beetson's public criticism of Amartey during the draft period. There must be more than ability for Beetson to be so publicly critical. Must be one of or all of application, training, fitness etc that are holding him back if Beetson has been publicly critical of him.
Sounds like they want him to succeed. But for whatever reason, he isn't.

 

[hairy biker]

I wouldn't mind being accused as a curmudgeon. Sounds cool!!

 

[rustycrate]

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