List Mgmt. 2023 Draft Thread - Part I

[stavro#4]

Under the arrangement, if a bid comes for a father-son or academy player in round one, a club would have to use a first-round pick to match. If the club had bids on two players in the opening round, they would need to use two first-round picks, either by trading for an extra selection or by using their future first-rounder.

This alternative scenario required that a club matching a bid on a player would have to use a pick no more than nine selections (half a round) later than when a bid arrived. If, for example, a bid came for a player at pick two and the club didn’t have a first-round selection until pick 15, they would need to trade up the order to obtain a pick no later than 11. Or the club would need to use pick 15 and their second-round pick.

AFL to overhaul draft on father-sons, academy picks

The AFL will overhaul the national draft to force clubs to pay a fairer market rate to secure father-son or academy players.

www.theage.com.au

 

[pebblesofsand]

Under the arrangement, if a bid comes for a father-son or academy player in round one, a club would have to use a first-round pick to match. If the club had bids on two players in the opening round, they would need to use two first-round picks, either by trading for an extra selection or by using their future first-rounder.

This alternative scenario required that a club matching a bid on a player would have to use a pick no more than nine selections (half a round) later than when a bid arrived. If, for example, a bid came for a player at pick two and the club didn’t have a first-round selection until pick 15, they would need to trade up the order to obtain a pick no later than 11. Or the club would need to use pick 15 and their second-round pick.

AFL to overhaul draft on father-sons, academy picks

The AFL will overhaul the national draft to force clubs to pay a fairer market rate to secure father-son or academy players.

www.theage.com.au

So a month after she was appointed, Sarah Kane was already sorting out a problem that should have been obvious to Brad Scott and Steve Hocking for years.

 

[stavro#4]

So a month after she was appointed, Sarah Kane was already sorting out a problem that should have been obvious to Brad Scott and Steve Hocking for years.

This absolutely puts pressure on Gold Coast and Carlton next off season.

They have a few academy/FS picks

 

[CursingFijian]

This absolutely puts pressure on Gold Coast and Carlton next off season.

They have a few academy/FS picks

Apparently Geelong have 25 coming through in the next 3-4 years.

 

[pebblesofsand]

This absolutely puts pressure on Gold Coast and Carlton next off season.

They have a few academy/FS picks

I'd expect the Academy rules won't change as much as the F/S.

The funniest thing about clubs whinging about F/S and Academy rules is the fact that very often, they are happy to give opposition clubs a free hit by not nominating players who are probable F/S or Academy picks at the their rightful spot.

Nick Daicos @ 4 was a joke when everyone knew he was clearly 1 or 2 in the 2021 draft.

By not nominating him, North and GWS (twice) essentially saved the Pies having to stump up the points equivalent of up to a late 2nd rounder.

 

[SteeleSaints]

Under the arrangement, if a bid comes for a father-son or academy player in round one, a club would have to use a first-round pick to match. If the club had bids on two players in the opening round, they would need to use two first-round picks, either by trading for an extra selection or by using their future first-rounder.

This alternative scenario required that a club matching a bid on a player would have to use a pick no more than nine selections (half a round) later than when a bid arrived. If, for example, a bid came for a player at pick two and the club didn’t have a first-round selection until pick 15, they would need to trade up the order to obtain a pick no later than 11. Or the club would need to use pick 15 and their second-round pick.

AFL to overhaul draft on father-sons, academy picks

The AFL will overhaul the national draft to force clubs to pay a fairer market rate to secure father-son or academy players.

www.theage.com.au

Be interesting if those changes are made. I believe making clubs hold a pick in the round of the player bid on makes sense, having a pick within 9 positions of the player bid would also stop clubs trading out to the backend of the round eg GCS pick #4 traded out for picks #20 & 21. Surely they also need to get rid of the discounts for all picks. The other thing the AFL need to return s all other clubs being able to match bids on NGA players after the top #20 picks.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Under the arrangement, if a bid comes for a father-son or academy player in round one, a club would have to use a first-round pick to match. If the club had bids on two players in the opening round, they would need to use two first-round picks, either by trading for an extra selection or by using their future first-rounder.

This alternative scenario required that a club matching a bid on a player would have to use a pick no more than nine selections (half a round) later than when a bid arrived. If, for example, a bid came for a player at pick two and the club didn’t have a first-round selection until pick 15, they would need to trade up the order to obtain a pick no later than 11. Or the club would need to use pick 15 and their second-round pick.

AFL to overhaul draft on father-sons, academy picks

The AFL will overhaul the national draft to force clubs to pay a fairer market rate to secure father-son or academy players.

www.theage.com.au

To me they might have gone a bit too far with the second system.
I'm thinking its the stupid points system that makes it fairly easy to trade up a draft now, and that it wont be so easy if they change that.

Team with the 18th pick who's player is bid on early should be able to use their first round pick and a later pick.
At least it stops the double dipping though.

Pretty sure it was either me or Gringo came up with the first system. I expect the AFL to give credit where its due.

 

[Tommy Wigs]

To me they might have gone a bit too far with the second system.
I'm thinking its the stupid points system that makes it fairly easy to trade up a draft now, and that it wont be so easy if they change that.

Team with the 18th pick who's player is bid on early should be able to use their first round pick and a later pick.
At least it stops the double dipping though.

Pretty sure it was either me or Gringo came up with the first system. I expect the AFL to give credit where its due.

Unintended effect of supporting the top teams? Ie, teams will try and trade back to late in the first round, which makes the first rounders of the Top 4 more valuable. Interesting to see how they do it.

 

[saintmike65]

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We certainly dodged a bullet there!!
Wouldn’t be so bad if he was 26 but he’s turning 31.

 

[saintmike65]

This absolutely puts pressure on Gold Coast and Carlton next off season.

They have a few academy/FS picks

Both Camporeale boys could potentially go first round!

 

[Joffaboy]

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And the nuffy idiot bombers supporters were adamant we would give our Gresham pick for this outside soft injury bust.

My god they are delusional fools

 

[WRFL Indentity]

1) Get rid of FA compo picks.
2) Limit the 1st round to 18 picks ONLY - you can take a F/S or Academy pick with your pick here, regardless of where you pick within the first round falls.
3) Any assistance picks happen between R1 and R2
4) R2 you can access your F/S or Academy, if they are there, via pick matching but with a 25% discount.

 

[stavro#4]

To me they might have gone a bit too far with the second system.
I'm thinking its the stupid points system that makes it fairly easy to trade up a draft now, and that it wont be so easy if they change that.

Team with the 18th pick who's player is bid on early should be able to use their first round pick and a later pick.
At least it stops the double dipping though.

Pretty sure it was either me or Gringo came up with the first system. I expect the AFL to give credit where its due.

I really like the first system.

Need to match a bid with a pick in the round the bid has been placed and within 9 picks.

I don’t see an issue with giving clubs access to their academy boys. Open that up to all clubs.

What I don’t want to see is first round picks being diluted into second round talent because clubs are able to match bids with picks in the 30s and 40s.

Make all clubs pay fair value for talent.

Both Camporeale boys could potentially go first round!

Exactly.

Suns also have a couple next year too!

Changes the ball game as you can finally get above value back for trading a first rounder to the suns or giants - who have been gifted or stock piled picks for a few years.

You can prevent clubs like Brisbane walking away with Ashcroft and Fletcher without having to give good value to gain the relevant picks.

It also removes the BS around clubs not bidding and doing clubs a favour.

If you believe Daicos is the best player in the draft. You bid at 1 and the pies have to find a way to grab pick 10 to match.

Which might mean trading out a really good player or selling the “pick” farm for it.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

We certainly dodged a bullet there!!
Wouldn’t be so bad if he was 26 but he’s turning 31.

I suspect the guy firing the bullet was so far out of range the bullet was never going near its target.

 

[saintmike65]

I'd expect the Academy rules won't change as much as the F/S.

The funniest thing about clubs whinging about F/S and Academy rules is the fact that very often, they are happy to give opposition clubs a free hit by not nominating players who are probable F/S or Academy picks at the their rightful spot.

Nick Daicos @ 4 was a joke when everyone knew he was clearly 1 or 2 in the 2021 draft.

By not nominating him, North and GWS (twice) essentially saved the Pies having to stump up the points equivalent of up to a late 2nd rounder.

Unfortunately clubs whinging after the Ugle-Hagen draft caused a typical knee jerk reaction from the AFL…creating a ludicrous situation of bidding after pick 40 for southern & Western states!
We were just lucky getting Owens & Windhager a year before this change!

 

[StFly]

Unfortunately clubs whinging after the Ugle-Hagen draft caused a typical knee jerk reaction from the AFL…creating a ludicrous situation of bidding after pick 40 for southern & Western states!
We were just lucky getting Owens & Windhager a year before this change!

As were most that got their academy players, system has been broken since inception and the commission just sat on hands until enough screamed about it to react to it and placate the noise.

Whilst say I agree with the premise, a 9 pick restriction is a bit shit in my view. Generally agree with the late 1st rounders for such a restriction of sorts, but who in their right mind will actively engage a potential pick 1 and burning potentially present and future instances to buy a pick to nab 1 single player in practice? All a situation like that will do is inherently breed an army of Dodoro's who spend the entire time on one stance and one stance only who then have a cry to any who will listen about how their narrative is best and everyone else is an idiot and drag it out as much as possible.

It simply will happen and the AFL will fold and if you think the drafts long enough well look forward to trade like conditions in that future.

So there needs to be some wriggle within say the 1st 10 to entice those who want to buy not straight getting railroaded by the holders and essentially blackmailed to get the pick. That was the original intention with a points system, just as we all know, the AFL are shit at their job and massively undervalued the application of it.

 

[Veer Right]

Next years draft. Also in West Coasts NGA program. Has a bit of aggro and a lot of class.



6.30 timestamp, Collard mentions him.

Drafting champion might go a long way to keeping both long term.

 

[Saintscomemarchingin]

Probably wouldn't have called them fantastic at any point but they were ultra competitive and disciplined. Marshall and Crouch were good enough to win plenty of the ball and a banged up Steele still gave heaps but there wasn't much depth. On the outside we were great when early on we had Wood looking like a Brownlow favourite and guys like Byrnes and Hill were playing like stars.

As we stated to test our depth our consistency fell away with Ross and Steele particularly hard to cover. We really only had Bytel and Connolly as depth mids and neither would have made a difference.

The depth that we have brought in should inject some life into the midfield and if we can get Jones fit we have some real depth. Probably still need to develop some extra midfield depth. Hunter Clark should go back to the VFL and play a bank of games as a pure on baller. Maybe move Paton on ball as well with Byrnes and Jones that's a pretty nice VFL midfield.

Paton did go inside mid for the last couple of games with the Zebs.
Yeah, Clark's position is in the guts or nowhere.
Zeb's midfield should look good.

 

[Saintscomemarchingin]

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Fantastic effort.
Reckon we need a small nuggety & speedy back pocket in the next trade or draft.

 

[gringo2011]

Paton did go inside mid for the last couple of games with the Zebs.
Yeah, Clark's position is in the guts or nowhere.
Zeb's midfield should look good.

Goddard said that Byrnes has come back a "different athlete". Be interesting to see what he's like with added fitness. His fast start was great this year. If he could sustain his form like it was early in the year he'd be hard to move out of the side.

He's always one of the guys training super hard in the off season but must have gone to another level.

 

[stavro#4]

Now its all over happy to share that a good mate is very close to the Essendon board / team.

I asked him really early on (few weeks before trade period closed up) about the Shiel rumours and he said his intel was that the bombers were keen but SOS was cold on it from the start.

Pretty sure it was never going to happen.

I don't have same closeness but more proxy involved and yeah that was the words I got also, Bombers happy to move on and us being GTFO from the beginning essentially. We weren't buying unless it was too good to pass up, they had to sell to us and failed spectacularly at it as per normal with them.

Not quite.

We had an interest as long as we got band 1 compo for Gresh.

He met with us. Ross & SOS knew everything about him and his injuries.

The moment Essendon started to back track and start talking alternative trades and us getting band 3 compo for Gresh. We baulked on it. It sounded like they panicked about supporter feedback.

Ross thought if he could get him fit. It was the help Steele needed and would give time for the draft pick to acclimatise under no pressure - the complete opposite to Phillipou.

SOS effectively admitted he had an interest a few times in trade period interviews.

My source is the same bloke who broke the news of the interest to me before trade week and I shared with the PM group then posted an image of the comment and date when Ralph went live.

 

[saintmike65]

Not quite.

We had an interest as long as we got band 1 compo for Gresh.

He met with us. Ross & SOS knew everything about him and his injuries.

The moment Essendon started to back track and start talking alternative trades and us getting band 3 compo for Gresh. We baulked on it. It sounded like they panicked about supporter feedback.

Ross thought if he could get him fit. It was the help Steele needed and would give time for the draft pick to acclimatise under no pressure - the complete opposite to Phillipou.

SOS effectively admitted he had an interest a few times in trade period interviews.

My source is the same bloke who broke the news of the interest to me before trade week and I shared with the PM group then posted an image of the comment and date when Ralph went live.

Us receiving band 1 compo for Gresh was the only way the Shiel trade made any sense…turning 31 & injury prone is not good recruiting, also, glad we passed on James Stewart for the same reason!

 

[stavro#4]

Us receiving band 1 compo for Gresh was the only way the Shiel trade made any sense…turning 31 & injury prone is not good recruiting, also, glad we passed on James Stewart for the same reason!

Shiel to be fair apparently tried to get the clubs to sit back down at the end of the first week when the Gresham compo was still up in the air.

He wanted the move.

I think the alternative we came up with was we would take him for a nothing pick (50+) and Essendon said no.

That was the end of it.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

Shiel to be fair apparently tried to get the clubs to sit back down at the end of the first week when the Gresham compo was still up in the air.

He wanted the move.

I think the alternative we came up with was we would take him for a nothing pick (50+) and Essendon said no.

That was the end of it.

And that nothing pick ended up being pretty important in getting us the draft haul we snagged.

That’s two Shiel related bullets we have ducked.

The 1st would have cost us Max…


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[Remboy]

Us receiving band 1 compo for Gresh was the only way the Shiel trade made any sense…turning 31 & injury prone is not good recruiting, also, glad we passed on James Stewart for the same reason!

But what about the Essendon supporters who were adamant we were giving the compo pick back to them for Shiel?