List Mgmt. 2023 Draft & Trade Hypotheticals

[Ticky009]

Key Dates:

Trade Period, October 6–18

• Restricted & Unrestricted Free Agency Period: Friday, October 6, 9am – Friday October 13, 5pm (bid matching ends Monday October 16, 5pm)
• Trade Period (1), picks & players: Monday, October 9, 9am – Wednesday October 18, 7.30pm

Quiet Period, October 19–November 20

• Trade Period (2), picks only: Monday, October 23, 9am – Friday November 10, 5pm
• List Lodgement 1*: Tuesday, October 31, 2pm
• Delisted Free Agency Period (1): Wednesday, November 1, 9am – Wednesday November 8, 5pm
• Delisted Free Agency Period (2): Friday, November 10, 9am–5pm
• List Lodgement 2*: Tuesday, November 14, 2pm

Draft Period, November 20–22

• Round 1 of the National Draft: Monday, November 20, time and venue TBA
• Trade Period (3), picks only: Tuesday, November 21, 5.45pm–6.30pm
• Round 2–end of the National Draft: Tuesday, November 21, 7pm until completion
• Rookie Promotions: Tuesday, November 21, after the National Draft
• Delisted Free Agency Period (3): Tuesday, November 21, after the National Draft
• List Lodgement 3*: Wednesday, November 22, 10am (optional; required for those participating in the PSD)
• Pre-Season Draft: Wednesday, November 22, 3pm
• Rookie Draft: Wednesday, November 22, 3.20pm
• Final List Lodgement*: Thursday, November 23, 4pm

* List lodgement dates are yet to be made public, so are approximate based on past history and the requirements of the AFL Rules. When lists are lodged, the number of players on the list must not exceed maximum list sizes. At the same time, clubs must provide the AFL with estimates of total player payments in the current and following year, which must prove the club is not and will not exceed the salary cap. (AFL Rules 5.3, 6.1, 6.8, 7.2, 7.9)

 

[caesar88]

Thinking the pick is James Leake out of Tassie for a few days now if he's there.

You just guessing or is this a leake of info?

 

[HighReeve]

The overall 'strength' of the draft compared to other years doesn't seem relevant.
We aren't Tasmania coming in to draft a whole team.

We hold picks 12, 45, 55 and have an academy member to match bidding on.

Sliding pick 12 back would allow us to improve our later selections this year (ahead of matching the bid) or gain future selections, or both and aren't relying on immediate impact from any draftee, while hopefully avoiding adding more mids.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Splitting 12 in a weak draft is a strange option.

Not when I’m happy with Archer Reid/Schroenberg and then we get another selection. I’ve said for a while I know many don’t but unless it’s for Curtin (which is nigh impossible) wouldn’t bother trading up. Many on here do like Murphy I know, but there isn’t much between him and the next couple of defenders we could get at say norths picks 17/18

 

[tombomb]

I think we'll have a package for Geelong's pick ready to go draft night

Seems like the O'Sullivan pick

We are absolute mugs if we think Geelong are going to be reasonable to deal with.

They'd only accept 12 +F1st + the North compo pick.

I wouldn't even bother calling them.

 

[Dan87]

We are absolute mugs if we think Geelong are going to be reasonable to deal with.

They'd only accept 12 +F1st + the North compo pick.

I wouldn't even bother calling them.

Won't be cheap but sometimes you just grab the 10 yr CHB that's a local

List is in a good place so we can get the guys we want

 

[tombomb]

Won't be cheap but sometimes you just grab the 10 yr CHB that's a local

List is in a good place so we can get the guys we want

3 picks under 19 to move up 4 spots is ridiculous.

But I am guessing Mackie and Geelong think some team would be stupid enough to do that.

 

[Dan87]

3 picks under 19 to move up 4 spots is ridiculous.

But I am guessing Mackie and Geelong think some team would be stupid enough to do that.

I think within reason we go for it

Nate Caddy a player possible which also suits us perfectly

Two possibles at that pick that'd I'd just about throw a future first without too much fuss

Get the players we really rate our 22 is under control

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Won't be cheap but sometimes you just grab the 10 yr CHB that's a local

List is in a good place so we can get the guys we want

North can blow our offer out of the water. In fact that’s what I think they do. They have 15,17,18 plus their f2 (unless they have traded it but don’t think they have)

 

[LukeParkerno1]

We are absolute mugs if we think Geelong are going to be reasonable to deal with.

They'd only accept 12 +F1st + the North compo pick.

I wouldn't even bother calling them.

This! Didn’t everyone see how bad they were in the Ratagolea trade?

 

[robbieando]

Won't be cheap but sometimes you just grab the 10 yr CHB that's a local

List is in a good place so we can get the guys we want

Albury is not local, other than sharing the same State. He is closer to home by being in Melbourne than he is in Sydney.

 

[bedford]

Albury is not local, other than sharing the same State. He is closer to home by being in Melbourne than he is in Sydney.

More sense

 

[mtooler]

Anyone think horse wanted James Jordan so kineear wouldn’t pick a flanker with pick 12??

Possible haha

 

[liz]

Albury is not local, other than sharing the same State. He is closer to home by being in Melbourne than he is in Sydney.

But he is a Swans fan, so he’d kinda be staying home.

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

Hopefully Croft attracts an early bid to mess up Footscray.

 

[anotherletdown]

Hopefully Croft attracts an early bid to mess up Footscray.

Ha, like they need help. It's a bombsite already

 

[Bandicoot]

But he is a Swans fan, so he’d kinda be staying home.

We'll get him home in a few years time, just as we did with Jordon.

 

[Slingshot Footy]

Won't be cheap but sometimes you just grab the 10 yr CHB that's a local

List is in a good place so we can get the guys we want

Agreed, draft picks are worthless if you're not actually picking the players you want that can have an impact and contribute to your best 22.

We've also gone all in over the trade period which should figure us as a top six prospect for the next few years at the very least.

The consequence is that all of our first round picks will end up in the mid to late teens for the foreseeable future, particularly once you factor in any potential academy and father son picks to the mix.

We might as well bundle these up to potentially nab a transformative player to add to the list while the team is still evolving.

Now of course O'Sullivan could also turn out to be a bust but these are the sort of risks we can take when, as you said, the list is in a good enough place to accommodate such an aggressive manoeuvre.

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

O’Sullivan probably ends up at Geelong. Just can’t see how we can get up the draft.

Murphy is probably around our pick. He will need a heap of physical development.

 

[Tomorrow]

I dont care what poistion the potential 12 (or whatever position it slides to) may play, It will come down to interviews and which kid has the best aptitude for hard work and quick learning. Outside the top 5 or 6 it's a very even lot.... Dalrymple and the psychologists...?

 

[RUNVS]

I dont care what poistion the potential 12 (or whatever position it slides to) may play, It will come down to interviews and which kid has the best aptitude for hard work and quick learning. Outside the top 5 or 6 it's a very even lot.... Dalrymple and the psychologists...?

I don't really trust our recruiters with our first rounder. Their record (outside of the academy kids) is pretty poor.

 

[.Shotties.]

I don't really trust our recruiters with our first rounder. Their record (outside of the academy kids) is pretty poor.

For the last decade its been:

2012: Pick 22, Dean Towers. Not a hit, but also not really a first rounder
2013: Pick 15 Zac Jones: On track for 200 games. Didn't work out for us but not a shit player
2016: Pick 13: Florent, Pick 21: Hayward: Both on track for 200 games
2017: Pick 14: Matt Ling. Big miss
2019: Pick 5: Dylan Stephens: Big miss
2020: Pick 4: Logan Mcdonald: Too early to tell
2021: Pick 18 Angus Sheldrick: Too early to tell
2022: Pick 20: Jacob Konstanty: Too early to tell.

We haven't actually had that many high first round picks, and with what we've had, we're as likely to draft a 200 game player as a bust.

 

[Millky95]

2017: Pick 14: Matt Ling. Big miss

Injuries hurt Ling a lot

 

[Tomorrow]

Besides Stephens over Serong I think Dalrymple (2018+) has been good. Always could be better but that's the nature of the job.

 

[RUNVS]

For the last decade its been:

2012: Pick 22, Dean Towers. Not a hit, but also not really a first rounder
2013: Pick 15 Zac Jones: On track for 200 games. Didn't work out for us but not a s**t player
2016: Pick 13: Florent, Pick 21: Hayward: Both on track for 200 games
2017: Pick 14: Matt Ling. Big miss
2019: Pick 5: Dylan Stephens: Big miss
2020: Pick 4: Logan Mcdonald: Too early to tell
2021: Pick 18 Angus Sheldrick: Too early to tell
2022: Pick 20: Jacob Konstanty: Too early to tell.

We haven't actually had that many high first round picks, and with what we've had, we're as likely to draft a 200 game player as a bust.

What was really unforgivable about the Stephens selection was he was pick 5, and it is actually hard to stuff up a top 5 selection that badly, along with the fact so many really good players were selected after him.

 

[BloodySwan]

2013: Pick 15 Zac Jones: On track for 200 games. Didn't work out for us but not a s**t player

Jones was lucky to get a new contract this season. I'll be shocked if he gets to 200 games. He's a shadow of the player who left the Swans