Preview 2023 Elimination Final - Carlton vs Sydney Friday 8th Sept 7.50PM @ MCG

[Aphrodite]

Team is in …


IN: Patrick Cripps

9

Patrick Cripps

Age

29

Ht

195cm

Wt

93kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

25.9

5star

K

9.8

4star

HB

16.1

5star

M

3.4

3star

T

5.8

5star

CL

7.4

5star

D

21.0

5star

K

10.1

4star

HB

10.9

5star

M

2.5

3star

T

3.8

4star

CL

6.3

5star

D

12.6

4star

K

4.8

2star

HB

7.8

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.2

5star

CL

1.4

4star

, Sam Docherty

15

Sam Docherty

Age

31

Ht

187cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

22.3

5star

K

15.1

5star

HB

7.2

4star

M

6.6

5star

T

2.4

4star

CL

1.1

3star

D

22.6

5star

K

16.0

5star

HB

6.6

4star

M

7.0

5star

T

0.6

1star

CL

0.4

3star

D

11.2

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

5.2

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

1.4

4star

CL

0.6

3star

, Marc Pittonet

27

Marc Pittonet

Age

28

Ht

202cm

Wt

107kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.7

2star

K

2.9

1star

HB

4.8

3star

CL

3.1

5star

HO

22.3

5star

D

8.6

2star

K

4.6

2star

HB

4.0

3star

CL

3.7

5star

HO

25.9

5star

D

5.8

2star

K

1.2

1star

HB

4.6

4star

CL

2.4

5star

HO

16.6

5star

OUT: Paddy Dow

15

Paddy Dow

Age

25

Ht

184cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.1

4star

K

7.0

3star

HB

7.1

4star

M

2.1

2star

T

2.9

4star

CL

2.6

4star

D

7.0

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

3.0

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

3star

CL

0.0

1star

D

12.4

4star

K

5.8

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

1.6

2star

T

2.8

5star

CL

2.6

5star

, Corey Durdin, Zac Fisher

16

Zac Fisher

Age

26

Ht

175cm

Wt

76kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.2

4star

K

8.3

3star

HB

7.9

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.0

5star

MG

384.0

5star

D

17.0

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

7.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.0

1star

MG

384.0

5star

D

12.2

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

1.2

2star

T

3.0

5star

, Ollie Hollands

After starting the last game as sub, Caleb Marchbank has been elevated into the starting 22.

AFL team news: Who's in for the elimination final?

Some big Blues are back for the clash with Sydney.

www.carltonfc.com.au

Backs:	Brodie Kemp	Jacob Weitering	Nic Newman
Half-backs:	Alex Cincotta	Mitch McGovern	Adam Saad
Centreline:	Blake Acres	Patrick Cripps	Sam Docherty
Half-forwards:	Jack Martin	Harry McKay	David Cuningham
Forwards:	Lachie Fogarty	Charlie Curnow	Matthew Owies
Followers:	Marc Pittonet	Adam Cerra	Sam Walsh
Interchange:	Matthew Cottrell	Tom De Koning	George Hewett
	Caleb Marchbank
Emergencies:	Paddy Dow	Zac Fisher	Ollie Hollands
	Jesse Motlop

 

[Arr0w]

This is highly likely, but would be the conservative approach.
Would you go consider the TDK/JSOS duo if available for selection?

Think if all are available, Voss would still go with Pitto and TDK, although I don't think we diminish overall effectiveness if it was TDK and Jsos

 

[BigFrizz36]

Form chart since round 13 (Thanks Ferris):

View attachment 1789858

Sydney has been in good form. Some good games coming up...

A bit of an illusion for the swans. Have had a soft draw and probably didn't really beat the crows.

 

[Stamos]

I’m concerned we’ll go in too tall and slow.

We seem to have done best with 1 ruck plus JSOS and Charlie isolated at FF.

Speed and defensive pressure was killing the opposition.

JSOS out injured really messes team balance.

You want to base team selection on 3 quarters of the Port game?

 

[Faz 2000]

Aight, two seats secured somewhere about 20,000 feet up in the MCG stands. Hopefully we see something great from the Baggers!

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

I appreciate the hardness that Pitto brings, but the consequences are, that TDK becomes a shadow of what he's capable of and our forward 50 becomes clogged up and more predictable.
I'm not sure whether the positives outweigh the negatives. For us to go finals deep this year, we need Harry to regain form and touch, it helps more if JSOS plays 3rd tall than TDK crashing packs in the forward line.

 

[Arr0w]

I appreciate the hardness that Pitto brings, but the consequences are, that TDK becomes a shadow of what he's capable of and our forward 50 becomes clogged up and more predictable.
I'm not sure whether the positives outweigh the negatives. For us to go finals deep this year, we need Harry to regain form and touch, it helps more if JSOS plays 3rd tall than TDK crashing packs in the forward line.

I think your starting point should be, Jsos is out for most of the finals

 

[Faz 2000]

I think we go with the 2-ruck setup, but it means every other decision has to err on the side of speed and defensive pressure.

JSOS not available as second ruck, McKay no good at it (yet); round 23 was too late to try to get Harry as second ruck option.

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

I appreciate the hardness that Pitto brings, but the consequences are, that TDK becomes a shadow of what he's capable of and our forward 50 becomes clogged up and more predictable.
I'm not sure whether the positives outweigh the negatives. For us to go finals deep this year, we need Harry to regain form and touch, it helps more if JSOS plays 3rd tall than TDK crashing packs in the forward line.

Pitto subbed out at half time (or late in the 2nd Q) after he has battered Hickey...

Then TDK runs amok.

 

[Arr0w]

Pitto & TDK is akin to Hickey & McLean, despite both being marginally quicker

The game won't be won or lost because of these 4 players

 

[kreuze_missile]

Pitto & TDK is akin to Hickey & McLean, despite both being marginally quicker

The game won't be won or lost because of these 4 players

Well Tom Hickey was the first one to wave the white flag in the 2022 grand final.

So it might..

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

Pitto & TDK is akin to Hickey & McLean, despite both being marginally quicker

The game won't be won or lost because of these 4 players

Who knows.

Be a nice stage for TDK to finally rip a game apart by dominating in the ruck, around the ground and kicking four!

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

Cuners will appreciate the week off hugely.

Like a few others (Cinc, Hollands), he looked out of petrol tickets on Sunday.

 

[Neese]

2 tickets secured P1. That was stressful but it's really happening. Yay

 

[DollarsandSense]

Ticketek loading screen... vomit

it's painful isn't it.
I've got my tickets... flights... accom all confirmed. Even managed a few meetings for a work trip. Whoop.

 

[I bleed Blue]

4 tickets

Level 1 ponsford stand.

So excited to take the kids to their first finals experience

 

[Wickzki]

Line ball on the numbers, but I'd swing to Cuners' ceiling being considerably higher.

And he's a fair bit quicker too.

Lachlan Fogarty and David Cuningham AFL Stats Comparison

Lachlan Fogarty and David Cuningham AFL Stats Comparison.

www.footywire.com

Cuners ceiling considerably higher - true

I'd argue that this is made up with Fog's floor being considerably higher. Fog does a lot of things that numbers don't often capture. DC can be invisible.

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Good luck with getting tickets everyone.

 

[jj1978]

In the end pick the best team to match the opponent and for the conditions.

If we go deep into finals can see 2ish changes each week (beyond injuries) amongst the role-players.

 

[Wickzki]

Form chart since round 13 (Thanks Ferris):

View attachment 1789858

Sydney has been in good form. Some good games coming up...

Sydney went 2-7 against top 8 teams this year.

That's Not to say they can't just turn it around now but it's not a good look going into finals.

 

[jj1978]

Sydney went 2-7 against top 8 teams this year.

That's Not to say they can't just turn it around now but it's not a good look going into finals.

Surely footy gods can't continue to be with them? People tout our 2013 9th to 8th drug hand me down as luck but we did win 11/22 have a % similar to not only * but also Port who were 7th and an attack and defence that was on par with the bottom half of the 8.

But here Sydney for the love of the footy gods got blessed by Norths interchange stupidity (which how it happened is mind boggling) and a goal umpires total misguided confidence have given them 2 extra wins to have 12 from 23 as opposed to 10/23.

Maybe the gods are with us this year and are giving us the opportunity to play the team that's winless at the G this year, has fallen from Grand-Finalist to artificially getting in, had a legend retire thinking the season was done (which must have been the view internally somewhat).

 

[Stamos]

Swans also had the equal (with Dogs and Freo) 3rd easiest draw this year (according to this metric on the AFL website). Only West Coast and North had easier draws.

Whose fixture was hardest? Pies defy odds, Dockers miss chance

Which teams ended up with the hardest and easiest draws in 2023?

www.afl.com.au

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Pitto & TDK is akin to Hickey & McLean, despite both being marginally quicker

The game won't be won or lost because of these 4 players

Pittonet, TDK, McKay, Curnow, Weitering, McGovern, Kemp
Hickey, McLean, McDonald, Amartey, McCartin, Blakey, Rampe

The only issue is they do have more speed than us, which is why people think we need an extra runner.

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

Cuners ceiling considerably higher - true

I'd argue that this is made up with Fog's floor being considerably higher. Fog does a lot of things that numbers don't often capture. DC can be invisible.

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Good luck with getting tickets everyone.

Most of Fog's career at CFC has been invisible until the last handful of games.

 

[Wickzki]

Most of Fog's career at CFC has been invisible until the last handful of games.

Aside from one purple patch, you could say the same thing about DC.

 

[Sweet Seventeen]

Most of Fog's career at CFC has been invisible until the last handful of games.

True, think it shows that finally he has overcome his issues (got his body better than it has ever been in his time at Carlton).

Really admire his tenacity and perseverance, yet I rarely see him kicking the footy more than 35 metres.

His tackling, hardness and link-up has been invaluable, I admit. I want him in the side for sure.

However, I really want Davey in the side as well. The week off will really help him more than most, simply because he has not been on the park much at all over the last couple of seasons. He is classy, looks laconic at times, but don't be fooled. Just the kind of player that could go to the next level over finals imo.

 

[branedotorg]

Strong side, I would have Fog over Cuners, just

me too.

very happy that cuningham has come back and delivered, didn't think he would tbh.

BUT while DC has a huge ceiling compared to fog he's still very anonymous for huge portions of the game, where as fog brings a fierce defensive mindset, has improved his kicking and makes things happen by workrate and tackling.