Preview 2023 Elimination Final - Carlton vs Sydney Friday 8th Sept 7.50PM @ MCG

[Aphrodite]

Team is in …


IN: Patrick Cripps

9

Patrick Cripps

Age

29

Ht

195cm

Wt

93kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

25.9

5star

K

9.8

4star

HB

16.1

5star

M

3.4

3star

T

5.8

5star

CL

7.4

5star

D

21.0

5star

K

10.1

4star

HB

10.9

5star

M

2.5

3star

T

3.8

4star

CL

6.3

5star

D

12.6

4star

K

4.8

2star

HB

7.8

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.2

5star

CL

1.4

4star

, Sam Docherty

15

Sam Docherty

Age

31

Ht

187cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

22.3

5star

K

15.1

5star

HB

7.2

4star

M

6.6

5star

T

2.4

4star

CL

1.1

3star

D

22.6

5star

K

16.0

5star

HB

6.6

4star

M

7.0

5star

T

0.6

1star

CL

0.4

3star

D

11.2

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

5.2

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

1.4

4star

CL

0.6

3star

, Marc Pittonet

27

Marc Pittonet

Age

28

Ht

202cm

Wt

107kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.7

2star

K

2.9

1star

HB

4.8

3star

CL

3.1

5star

HO

22.3

5star

D

8.6

2star

K

4.6

2star

HB

4.0

3star

CL

3.7

5star

HO

25.9

5star

D

5.8

2star

K

1.2

1star

HB

4.6

4star

CL

2.4

5star

HO

16.6

5star

OUT: Paddy Dow

15

Paddy Dow

Age

25

Ht

184cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.1

4star

K

7.0

3star

HB

7.1

4star

M

2.1

2star

T

2.9

4star

CL

2.6

4star

D

7.0

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

3.0

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

3star

CL

0.0

1star

D

12.4

4star

K

5.8

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

1.6

2star

T

2.8

5star

CL

2.6

5star

, Corey Durdin, Zac Fisher

16

Zac Fisher

Age

26

Ht

175cm

Wt

76kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.2

4star

K

8.3

3star

HB

7.9

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.0

5star

MG

384.0

5star

D

17.0

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

7.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.0

1star

MG

384.0

5star

D

12.2

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

1.2

2star

T

3.0

5star

, Ollie Hollands

After starting the last game as sub, Caleb Marchbank has been elevated into the starting 22.

AFL team news: Who's in for the elimination final?

Some big Blues are back for the clash with Sydney.

www.carltonfc.com.au

Backs:	Brodie Kemp	Jacob Weitering	Nic Newman
Half-backs:	Alex Cincotta	Mitch McGovern	Adam Saad
Centreline:	Blake Acres	Patrick Cripps	Sam Docherty
Half-forwards:	Jack Martin	Harry McKay	David Cuningham
Forwards:	Lachie Fogarty	Charlie Curnow	Matthew Owies
Followers:	Marc Pittonet	Adam Cerra	Sam Walsh
Interchange:	Matthew Cottrell	Tom De Koning	George Hewett
	Caleb Marchbank
Emergencies:	Paddy Dow	Zac Fisher	Ollie Hollands
	Jesse Motlop

 

[Sharks On A Plane]

Can someone please explain what you see in Boyd and why you want him in the 22?

The winning streak came when I was blind so I understand I've missed an enormous amount of nuance and not being at games I miss a lot of the system structure that gets missed on television. He played in half of those games then copped the suspension.

I know he's gutsy AF and can play much taller than his actual height. However, at this stage he has missed a lot of senior level football juices of suspension and then not coming immediately in

So to those putting him in their 22, what makes him an inclusion after missing the end of the season and only managing 8 senior games this year?

Note: I'm not bagging him or you for putting him in. Simply curious and wanting good insight.

I mean, his entire game screams AFL attributes.

Quick, defends well and most importantly, extremely good user of the ball. Would be in our best five kicks.

Hasn't been used as a distributor much yet, instead being given lockdown assignments, but I really think he will show his best when allowed to be more of a receiver exiting the backline.

 

[CCurnow3votes]

I mean, his entire game screams AFL attributes.

Quick, defends well and most importantly, extremely good user of the ball. Would be in our best five kicks.

Hasn't been used as a distributor much yet, instead being given lockdown assignments, but I really think he will show his best when allowed to be more of a receiver exiting the backline.

We could use a lockdown small defender - a few nasty small forward types coming up.

 

[Benaly28]

Stop Papley/Heeney/Blakey/Gulden.

Simples.


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[coryne]

Anyone want to estimate how many pages this thread had come Friday September 8th?

1717 (Is that even possible ??? .....)

 

[Stamos]

Stick to what has worked Motlop, Pitto, Fog.

Who's out then?

 

[TheReal99prelim]

Does anybody think that dropping Pitto was a bit of a ruse, when he was just resting his troublesome knee?

If he had been rested, the opposition would be planning for his return from day 1.

This way, they won't know until Thursday night prior

I know it probably achieves nothing but...

PS. For mine
IN: Cripps Doc Mots Pitto Boyd
OUT: Durdin, Cunningham, Fisher, Marchbank, Hollands
Hollands (sub)

 

[Stamos]

Can someone please explain what you see in Boyd and why you want him in the 22?

The winning streak came when I was blind so I understand I've missed an enormous amount of nuance and not being at games I miss a lot of the system structure that gets missed on television. He played in half of those games then copped the suspension.

I know he's gutsy AF and can play much taller than his actual height. However, at this stage he has missed a lot of senior level football juices of suspension and then not coming immediately in

So to those putting him in their 22, what makes him an inclusion after missing the end of the season and only managing 8 senior games this year?

Note: I'm not bagging him or you for putting him in. Simply curious and wanting good insight.

I figure we have 5 back locks (Weitering, Newman, Saad, Gov, Kemp), and 4 others fighting for the last 2 spots.

The argument for Boyd would be his toughness and ability to lock down, and then his pace and good disposal. If not for the suspension, you would assume he'd be locked in the team.

Then it depends on how we see those other 3, and who we want in our back.
Cincotta has been really good, but has been sore/tired and tailed off quite a bit the last couple of weeks.
Marchy would be the most talented, but is coming from a long way back, and changes the mix, taller, less pace and attacking skill.
Then there's Fish. Had a couple of really good games when he came back into the team in the backline. Gets the most possessions of the 4, is the most attacking, but the least defensive. Do you trust him not to make some catastrophic mistakes under finals pressure? Not sure that I do.

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

Wickzki Boyds had a few moments where he's been the bacon saver on an opposition quick break. Ends up the deepest guy one out on someone taller and has managed to bring it to ground and delay possession until help arrives.

Basically he's tenacious and I believe cinc and Saad have played freer with him in the team. Fwiw I don't rate his kicking and ball use nearly as much as most but I probably rate his defensive input for the team more than most. Would love him back in the squad.

Segway into my predicted/biased starting team....

Fb: Boyd Weitering Newman
Hb: Cincotta McGovern Saad
C: Docherty Walsh Acres
Hf: Fogarty Mckay Cuningham
FF: Owies Curnow Martin
R: Pitto Cripps Cerra

I/C: Kemp, Cotters, Hewett/Kennedy, TDK

Sub: Hollands/Kennedy/Mots/Hewett

I think Dow and Fisher will struggle to make this team and Kennedy might surprise a few forgetting how good he was going just before injury.

7 defenders, 3-4 wing rotations, hopefully plenty of forward pressure.

 

[Stamos]

Does anybody think that dropping Pitto was a bit of a ruse, when he was just resting his troublesome knee?

I think it's much more than we needed to keep him as an Emergency incase there was an emergency.
If we had him out sore/injured he wouldn't have been available.

 

[Stamos]

Segway into my predicted/biased starting team....

Fb: Boyd Weitering Newman
Hb: Cincotta McGovern Saad
C: Docherty Walsh Acres
Hf: Fogarty Mckay Cuningham
FF: Owies Curnow Martin
R: Pitto Cripps Cerra

I/C: Kemp, Cotters, Hewett/Kennedy, Hollands/Mots

Sub: Hollands/Kennedy/Mots/Hewett

I think Dow and Fisher will struggle to make this team and Kennedy might surprise a few forgetting how good he was going just before injury.

7 defenders, 3-4 wing rotations, hopefully plenty of forward pressure.

We're not dropping TDK

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

We're not dropping TDK

Just forgot him. solves the last bench spot then

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

Segway into my predicted/biased starting team....

Fb: Boyd Weitering Newman
Hb: Cincotta McGovern Saad
C: Docherty Walsh Acres
Hf: Fogarty Mckay Cuningham
FF: Owies Curnow Martin
R: Pitto Cripps Cerra

I/C: Kemp, Cotters, Hewett/Kennedy, TDK

Sub: Hollands/Kennedy/Mots/Hewett

I think Dow and Fisher will struggle to make this team and Kennedy might surprise a few forgetting how good he was going just before injury.

7 defenders, 3-4 wing rotations, hopefully plenty of forward pressure.

One thing that stands out from that back 6 is:

• Boyd - mature age rookie selection in the MSD
• Cincotta - mature age rookie selection in the SSP
• Newman - pick 35 in the 2015 Rookie Draft
• Saad - pick 25 in the 2015 Rookie Draft
• Gov - pick 43 in the 2014 National Draft

If nothing else, it shows that there's many ways to build a team list other than just stockpiling high draft picks through the National Draft.

 

[Stamos]

Just forgot him. solves the last bench spot then

Fair.
But not sure how you're picking Fog over Motlop?

And I can't see Kennedy who hasn't played any footy in 2 months forcing out Hewett who has been one of our best.

 

[Korn]

Just stick with the team that started our winning streak.

 

[carltonchelsea]

When magneting the forward line, Voss goes, “Charlie, Martin, Harry, Motts….”.

 

[Stamos]

Just stick with the team that started our winning streak.

It's very close actually, although Hewett is in for Kennedy.

 

[JuddgementDay]

Can someone please explain what you see in Boyd and why you want him in the 22?

The winning streak came when I was blind so I understand I've missed an enormous amount of nuance and not being at games I miss a lot of the system structure that gets missed on television. He played in half of those games then copped the suspension.

I know he's gutsy AF and can play much taller than his actual height. However, at this stage he has missed a lot of senior level football juices of suspension and then not coming immediately in

So to those putting him in their 22, what makes him an inclusion after missing the end of the season and only managing 8 senior games this year?

Note: I'm not bagging him or you for putting him in. Simply curious and wanting good insight.

How many small/ medium sized fwds do the Swans have?

These players go through there: Heeney, Papley, Gulden, Parker and even Wicks

Who do we have that can play on these guys? Newman, Saad, Cincotta

What happens when plan A doesn’t work?
Need Boyd in there as an extra small defender

Docherty doesn’t play lockdown anymore
Fisher can’t

 

[Arr0w]

It's very close actually, although Hewett is in for Kennedy.

Might be worthwhile laying out a side, unsure who you think should and shouldn't be in the team at the moment

 

[Stamos]

Might be worthwhile laying out a side, unsure who you think should and shouldn't be in the team at the moment

B: Kemp, Weitering, Cincotta
HB: Newman, Gov, Saad

C: Acres, Cripps, Docherty
Foll: TDK, Hewett, Cerra

FH: Martin, Harry, Cunners
F: Owies, Charlie, Motlop

I/C: Pitto, Cottrell, Walsh, Boyd/Marchbank
Sub: Dow


I'll say I'm not entirely set on the last 2 backs (from Cincotta, Boyd, Marchbank, Fisher).
And if Silvagni were fit, he'd be in for Pitto.

So I've got Fogarty, Hollands, Fisher and Durdin out from Sunday's team for Cripps, Doc, Motlop and Pitto, and then potentially Marchy out for Boyd, and Dow to sub.

 

[Stamos]

I want Hollands giving us 15 km off the wing while Doc and Saad provide, run and play. Making off of halfback. I want Blake Acres playing his role on both sides of the ball. I want Cotts gut running off the bench to complement all 4 of them and then give us something across half forward as the cherry on top.

Not many teams can handle all of that.

There's not many teams who can match that.

I love Hollands, and think he's going to be an absolute gun for us. He's a pure footballer, who happens to inhabit an incredible athlete's body.
But...
He's very light. And in September, size matters. He's also a bit slow with his decision making/disposal under pressure. He gets smothered quite a bit. It will come no doubt, but it's a concern right now for finals.

 

[gab213]

The start against GC was very disappointing. The GWS game wasn’t, it was treated like a training match, like we were just trying to get through it.

It was essentially like a pre-season game. We experimented with a few things and never went at 100%, there was no need to. The qualification series was already done with, the real season starts next week. We will be on then.

 

[Garters]

Who's out then?

Durds from fwd half, Fisher back half

 

[Stamos]

Durds from fwd half, Fisher back half

So only 6 backs?

 

[Arr0w]

B: Kemp, Weitering, Cincotta
HB: Newman, Gov, Saad

C: Acres, Cripps, Docherty
Foll: TDK, Hewett, Cerra

FH: Martin, Harry, Cunners
F: Owies, Charlie, Motlop

I/C: Pitto, Cottrell, Walsh, Boyd/Marchbank
Sub: Dow


I'll say I'm not entirely set on the last 2 backs (from Cincotta, Boyd, Marchbank, Fisher).
And if Silvagni were fit, he'd be in for Pitto.

So I've got Fogarty, Hollands, Fisher and Durdin out from Sunday's team for Cripps, Doc, Motlop and Pitto, and then potentially Marchy out for Boyd, and Dow to sub.

Strong side, I would have Fog over Cuners, just

 

[Stamos]

Strong side, I would have Fog over Cuners, just

It's a reasonable argument to have.
Consistent pressure versus the ability to have a genuine impact.
I can see Cunners having a 5 minute burst, or kicking a freak goal, that wins a final. That's what I lean to.