Preview 2023 Elimination Final - Carlton vs Sydney Friday 8th Sept 7.50PM @ MCG

[Aphrodite]

Team is in …


IN: Patrick Cripps

9

Patrick Cripps

Age

29

Ht

195cm

Wt

93kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

25.9

5star

K

9.8

4star

HB

16.1

5star

M

3.4

3star

T

5.8

5star

CL

7.4

5star

D

21.0

5star

K

10.1

4star

HB

10.9

5star

M

2.5

3star

T

3.8

4star

CL

6.3

5star

D

12.6

4star

K

4.8

2star

HB

7.8

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.2

5star

CL

1.4

4star

, Sam Docherty

15

Sam Docherty

Age

31

Ht

187cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

22.3

5star

K

15.1

5star

HB

7.2

4star

M

6.6

5star

T

2.4

4star

CL

1.1

3star

D

22.6

5star

K

16.0

5star

HB

6.6

4star

M

7.0

5star

T

0.6

1star

CL

0.4

3star

D

11.2

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

5.2

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

1.4

4star

CL

0.6

3star

, Marc Pittonet

27

Marc Pittonet

Age

28

Ht

202cm

Wt

107kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.7

2star

K

2.9

1star

HB

4.8

3star

CL

3.1

5star

HO

22.3

5star

D

8.6

2star

K

4.6

2star

HB

4.0

3star

CL

3.7

5star

HO

25.9

5star

D

5.8

2star

K

1.2

1star

HB

4.6

4star

CL

2.4

5star

HO

16.6

5star

OUT: Paddy Dow

15

Paddy Dow

Age

25

Ht

184cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.1

4star

K

7.0

3star

HB

7.1

4star

M

2.1

2star

T

2.9

4star

CL

2.6

4star

D

7.0

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

3.0

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

3star

CL

0.0

1star

D

12.4

4star

K

5.8

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

1.6

2star

T

2.8

5star

CL

2.6

5star

, Corey Durdin, Zac Fisher

16

Zac Fisher

Age

26

Ht

175cm

Wt

76kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.2

4star

K

8.3

3star

HB

7.9

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.0

5star

MG

384.0

5star

D

17.0

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

7.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.0

1star

MG

384.0

5star

D

12.2

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

1.2

2star

T

3.0

5star

, Ollie Hollands

After starting the last game as sub, Caleb Marchbank has been elevated into the starting 22.

AFL team news: Who's in for the elimination final?

Some big Blues are back for the clash with Sydney.

www.carltonfc.com.au

Backs:	Brodie Kemp	Jacob Weitering	Nic Newman
Half-backs:	Alex Cincotta	Mitch McGovern	Adam Saad
Centreline:	Blake Acres	Patrick Cripps	Sam Docherty
Half-forwards:	Jack Martin	Harry McKay	David Cuningham
Forwards:	Lachie Fogarty	Charlie Curnow	Matthew Owies
Followers:	Marc Pittonet	Adam Cerra	Sam Walsh
Interchange:	Matthew Cottrell	Tom De Koning	George Hewett
	Caleb Marchbank
Emergencies:	Paddy Dow	Zac Fisher	Ollie Hollands
	Jesse Motlop

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

You are making definite statements that he does it with every clearance he has, but he doesn't


It's not an opinion, it's fact, his disposal is by far, worse of any of our starting 5 mids.


In tight he is fine, open play he isn't effective defensively


All players have crucial moments, Dow's are no better than others. You are also completely ignoring his turnovers



I don't change my opinion based on what people share, I'll base it in what I see

Someone mentioned that if you lined up all our mids to hunt a loose ball, that he would get there first, yet, stats suggest he is behind all our 5 starting mids for ground ball gets for minutes played

Opinions are a wonderful thing

Once again i will move on, and allow posters who are claiming Dow being this massive point of difference to continue with that view, I see it very differently

No filter I know of does it by minutes played. His averages are lower he's played as sub. Feels disengenuous. As far as I can tell quickly his rateof ground ball get is equivalent of the top 4 and better than Kennedy's. Probably a reflection of the time early season Kennedy spent out of the midfield too.

 

[myblueroan]

Going to be as cold as a Siberian Winter on Friday Night apparently. Nothing is going to stop me from going though. As Friday approaches, I am getting more nervous and excited

Layering Elmer.
Some good lightweight thermals will help plus the scarf and beanie.

 

[Arr0w]

No filter I know of does it by minutes played. His averages are lower he's played as sub. Feels disengenuous. As far as I can tell quickly his rateof ground ball get is equivalent of the top 4 and better than Kennedy's. Probably a reflection of the time early season Kennedy spent out of the midfield too.

I did work it with average TOG, which takes into account all minutes played for the year

 

[Monty1978]

Geez some people overate Kennedy , good player but don’t make out like he is leaps and bounds better than Dow .. both decent players. I would play Dow for 2 reasons … it’s a final and Kennedy has not played for 2 months and I feel you can only play one of hewitt or Kennedy and hewitt has been playing well

 

[Lukeblueboy]

It was interesting that our poster who was at training on Saturday (Windows?) claimed the game was clearly firsts v seconds and that Kennedy and Hewett were both playing seconds.

Maybe they were trialling the quicker mids v the slower to see how that senario played out? Get a look at both mixes

 

[BigFrizz36]

Gold Coast game 100% 2nd quarter he had 8 touches & 215m gained - triple any other player, 2i 50 & a goal assist. He & Acres were in everything, they lead the fight back & got Charlie the ball. Final quarter he smashed the centre clearances early, he was in the right spot at the right time, doing the right things when we needed him most.

And one again he didn't get coaches votes from either coach - so neither coach had him in the 5 most influential players on the ground.

The purpose is not to denigrate him but to refute the post that stated that we wouldn't have won either game without him playing. Because with a decent replacement (e.g. Cerra) we most certainly would have.

 

[myblueroan]

Geez some people overate Kennedy , good player but don’t make out like he is leaps and bounds better than Dow .. both decent players. I would play Dow for 2 reasons … it’s a final and Kennedy has not played for 2 months and I feel you can only play one of hewitt or Kennedy and hewitt has been playing well

Why can't we be respectful of both? They both have some special qualities. Kennedy was fabulous before injury.
Dow has stood up, and been wonderful for us.

 

[Monty1978]

Why can't we be respectful of both? They both have some special qualities. Kennedy was fabulous before injury.
Dow has stood up, and been wonderful for us.

I am respectful .. I said both are good players .after 8 pages of debating it , I gave my opinion how I feel .. the only people i was disrespectful too are the people overating Kennedy and I apologise to them… also if you haven’t noticed it’s a public based opinion forum

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Geez some people overate Kennedy , good player but don’t make out like he is leaps and bounds better than Dow .. both decent players. I would play Dow for 2 reasons … it’s a final and Kennedy has not played for 2 months and I feel you can only play one of hewitt or Kennedy and hewitt has been playing well

Kennedy is a better mark, better kick, better tackler, better hands off the ground and can play forward. Dow is quicker, has better evasion skills and extracts the ball more often. If Kennedy was a little quicker, there wouldn't be a conversation.

If it's wet on Friday night though, the ability to get a step on opponents in the wet will be handy and disposal isn't going to be as big a factor. Ground ball gets and tackling probably will be.

You are correct though. We can't play Kennedy and Hewett in the same side, particularly as Cripps is a walk up start and Cerra isn't very quick either. We will need Dow's run at some point, possibly subbing for a big guy at some point, whether tactically or by necessity.

 

[CCurnow3votes]

Still think it'll be very largely dry come game time.

And those winds will dry the surface out nicely.

For those who know Melbourne, how often does most of the rain come overnight (or early hours of the morning) and it peters out during the day...?

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Hopefully dries us out too

 

[Blue and Blue]

Carna mighty blues


We are in the finals, and still the arguing over nothing goes on.
Interesting..............

 

[CJMB]

No filter I know of does it by minutes played. His averages are lower he's played as sub. Feels disengenuous. As far as I can tell quickly his rateof ground ball get is equivalent of the top 4 and better than Kennedy's. Probably a reflection of the time early season Kennedy spent out of the midfield too.

wheelo gives some good options that I like that have some 'equalisation' to them; centre clearances per cba, score involvement %, disposals per turnover, metres gained per disposal, etc.

FWIW, only looking at CBA mids/mid-fwds

CC/CBA (%)

1. Dow 20.0
2. Fog 17.1
3. Kennedy 13.7
4. Cerra 13.3
5. Cripps 12.9
6. Docherty 8.7
7. Hewett 7.5
8. Walsh 7.2
9. Cuningham 4.0

MG/Disp

1. Dow 21.8
2. Doc 16.4
3. Cerra 15.0
4. Fog 13.7
5. Kennedy 13.6
6. DC 12.0
7. Walsh 11.0
8. Cripps 10.5
9. Hewett 9.3

Disp/TO

1. Cripps 8.6
2. Hewett 7.3
3. Cerra 7.0
4. Walsh 6.5
5. Fog 6.4
6. Kennedy 6.2
7. DC 5.9
8. Doc 5.4
9. Dow 4.7

SI %

1. Walsh 28.8
2. Cripps 27.7
3. Cerra 27.0
4. Doc 22.4
5. Fog 19.9
6. Kennedy 18.5
7. Dow 17.6
8. Hewett 17.1
9. DC 15.2

Kind of obvious, but Dow kills it in CC/CB & MG/D but struggles in the others. Hewett does well in that TO category, but has way less MG. Walsh, Cripps, & Cerra the standouts in SI%. Fog must have had a bad game, from memory he was maybe 0.5 behind Dow on the CC/CBA a week or so back.

Shout out to Cerra, 4th in the CC/CBA and 3rd in every other category. Not a bad example of how rounded his game is.

It's a pretty shallow look at it, only a few stats that let you look at it as a percentage or rate, and some of them aren't really applicable to midfielders. and can't be bothered to export the full data set and use the TOG average to standardise everyone's individual numbers for ground ball gets, score launches, etc.

 

[myblueroan]

I am respectful .. I said both are good players .after 8 pages of debating it , I gave my opinion how I feel .. the only people i was disrespectful too are the people overating Kennedy and I apologise to them… also if you haven’t noticed it’s a public based opinion forum

The full Monty!

 

[Show_Me_The_Money]

But you want to play the poster on the way out?

My content regarding disposal efficiency isn't an opinion, it's statistical fact, worse of our starting 5 mids

So before you consider replying, do some research and perhaps park the personal attacks

I see you're playing the victim now. Any time you put words in my mouth, quote me out of context or manipulate my words I consider that a personal attack and will address it as such. But Im sure you're completely aware of what you're doing.

 

[rp84]

Leaving 27 degrees for 7 degrees at the G?!

I don't even own cold weather clothes.

I'm going to need a lot a drinks to keep my body temperature up.

 

[Arr0w]

I see you're playing the victim now. Any time you put words in my mouth, quote me out of context or manipulate my words I consider that a personal attack and will address it as such. But Im sure you're completely aware of what you're doing.

Quoting factual stats and being accused of an arrogant opinion?

Focus on the content rather than the poster

Think we are done, unless you want to debate content

 

[azlou]

Leaving 27 degrees for 7 degrees at the G?!

I don't even own cold weather clothes.

I'm going to need a lot a drinks to keep my body temperature up.

Glad you could make it down mate hope your mum is going too

 

[Show_Me_The_Money]

Quoting factual stats and being accused of an arrogant opinion?

Focus on the content rather than the poster

Think we are done, unless you want to debate content

No we're not done. You didn't quote stats at all you put up what read as an opinion. Let me tell you disposal efficiency is the most useless stat to follow I saw fisher miss a target completely and the ball roll to the outer wing where there was no one. It was marked an effective disposal.

Dow's influence has been there for all to see, when it's mattered most. If you don't see it good for you. But to say he's got terrible awareness and BY FAR the worst disposer of all our mids based on disposal effficiency is a big a big joke. And that's my opinion.

Now we can move on.

 

[TENACIOUS]

Hurry up Friday, I’m dying here…

 

[Arr0w]

No we're not done. You didn't quote stats at all you put up what read as an opinion. Let me tell you disposal efficiency is the most useless stat to follow I saw fisher miss a target completely and the ball roll to the outer wing where there was no one. It was marked an effective disposal.

Dow's influence has been there for all to see, when it's mattered most. If you don't see it good for you. But to say he's got terrible awareness and BY FAR the worst disposer of all our mids based on disposal effficiency is a big a big joke. And that's my opinion.

Now we can move on.

Facts are, he does have the worst disposal compared to our starting 5 mids, it's irrefutable

Never said his awareness was terrible, another untruth

Back to game, don't think selection will play a major role In this game, think we win

 

[Kernafides]

Let's just focus on the excitement of finals and not the constant Dow dribble lol

 

[Arr0w]

Need to renovate the basement

 

[Stickitupthem]

Heading to the Pullman hotel before hand to hear Cookies speech then off to the big one I can’t wait for us to smash them early pleeeeeeeeese

 

[Arr0w]

Let's just focus on the excitement of finals and not the constant Dow dribble lol

Looking forward to Charlie and Harry in the finals series

 

[Show_Me_The_Money]

Dow is a great ball hunter, with below average disposal and poor defensive and or overall awareness

Poor, terrible. Those are synonyms.

Onward and upward.