Player Watch 2023 Father Son player watch - McCabe, Dear and Maginness

[Strapping Young Lad]

Guys, I keep deleting posts referencing this, but can we move away from suggesting or making juvenile jokes about the bloodlines of players.

This is a public forum and parents of players do read here.

 

[bigconornash]

I watched the game last week and watched Mccabe for the first time. Looked quite strong in the air but lacks some confidence which will come with a larger build.

 

[Roddy]

We HAVE to start nailing some 'sons of guns' soon.....

 

[bigconornash]

#17 Will McCabe (Central District/South Australia)

While quiet in the early stages, McCabe got to work in term two as he began to rise for his marks. The Hawthorn father-son candidate and South Australian Under 16 MVP got into positions to intercept, leaning on his athleticism to at least split contests before following up. He showed off his exciting mobility with a flying mark in the third quarter, and a fluent spin after recovering a ground ball. Still raw at 196cm, but with plenty to work with.

-Rookie Me Central

 

[Pinoy Hawk]

AFL UNDER 17 ALL STARS GAME SUPERCOACH RANKING POINTS​

TEAM HOULI​

127 – Alex Holt

125 – Daniel Curtin

104 – Jack Delean

102 – Archie Roberts

91 – Mahmoud Taha

90 – Darcy Wilson

89 – Jack Callinan

87 – Colby McKercher

80 – Kane McAuliffe

78 – Nathan Philactides

76 – Sam Frangalas

68 – Cam Nyko

64 – Luca Slade

60 – Bradley McDonald

57 – Coen Livingstone

56 – Will Graham

48 – Jed Walter

45 – Luamon Lual

38 – Harrison Francis

33 – Connor O’Sullivan

31 – Michael Rudd

26 – Ethan Read

TEAM MURPHY​

135 – Ryley Sanders

126 – Caiden Cleary

124 – Will Lorenz

104 – Ben Ridgway

102 – Will Patton

101 – Harvey Thomas

90 – Logan Morris

80 – Cooper Simpson

80 – Jake Rogers

76 – Arie Schoenmaker

76 – Koltyn Tholstrup

73 – Kobe Shipp

72 – Zane Duursma

72 – Billy Richardson

69 – Joe Pike

68 – Lachlan Cabor

68 – Riley Hardeman

38 – Archer Reid

35 – Orlando Turner

33 – Will McCabe

31 – Kynan Brown

26 – William Green

 

[Dewnior]

AFL UNDER 17 ALL STARS GAME SUPERCOACH RANKING POINTS​

TEAM HOULI​

127 – Alex Holt

125 – Daniel Curtin

104 – Jack Delean

102 – Archie Roberts

91 – Mahmoud Taha

90 – Darcy Wilson

89 – Jack Callinan

87 – Colby McKercher

80 – Kane McAuliffe

78 – Nathan Philactides

76 – Sam Frangalas

68 – Cam Nyko

64 – Luca Slade

60 – Bradley McDonald

57 – Coen Livingstone

56 – Will Graham

48 – Jed Walter

45 – Luamon Lual

38 – Harrison Francis

33 – Connor O’Sullivan

31 – Michael Rudd

26 – Ethan Read

TEAM MURPHY​

135 – Ryley Sanders

126 – Caiden Cleary

124 – Will Lorenz

104 – Ben Ridgway

102 – Will Patton

101 – Harvey Thomas

90 – Logan Morris

80 – Cooper Simpson

80 – Jake Rogers

76 – Arie Schoenmaker

76 – Koltyn Tholstrup

73 – Kobe Shipp

72 – Zane Duursma

72 – Billy Richardson

69 – Joe Pike

68 – Lachlan Cabor

68 – Riley Hardeman

38 – Archer Reid

35 – Orlando Turner

33 – Will McCabe

31 – Kynan Brown

26 – William Green

How much game time did McCabe get?

 

[HedgeFund]

We HAVE to start nailing some 'sons of guns' soon.....

Why?

Just so we have a couple of Tyler / Callum Brown equivalents?

If the kids aren’t up to it, so be it. Move on to someone who is, but didn’t have a parent run around in brown and gold in the previous decades.

It’s not like the club can control how good “eligible” humans are at the sport their parents excelled at.

 

[Stratton24]

We HAVE to start nailing some 'sons of guns' soon.....

It’s not the club that has to do the nailing

 

[PenAndPaper]

Why?

Just so we have a couple of Tyler / Callum Brown equivalents?

If the kids aren’t up to it, so be it. Move on to someone who is, but didn’t have a parent run around in brown and gold in the previous decades.

It’s not like the club can control how good “eligible” humans are at the sport their parents excelled at.

I think he's more suggesting that some of them have to be good enough soon, we haven't really had any luck with them being good enough.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Dumb question if anyone knows - is McCabe a Hawks supporter or being in Adelaide has he adopted one of the sides there?

 

[MrPremiership]

Dumb question if anyone knows - is McCabe a Hawks supporter or being in Adelaide has he adopted one of the sides there?

I think someone previously posted he's a Hawks man, but would love confirmation

 

[Roddy]

Why?

Just so we have a couple of Tyler / Callum Brown equivalents?

If the kids aren’t up to it, so be it. Move on to someone who is, but didn’t have a parent run around in brown and gold in the previous decades.

It’s not like the club can control how good “eligible” humans are at the sport their parents excelled at.

Why? Because I want really good players at our club, whatever the source, and father-son has been an excellent and easy source of great players for many other clubs. Just not us. Not that difficult.

 

[CaptainWorpedo]

Why?

Just so we have a couple of Tyler / Callum Brown equivalents?

If the kids aren’t up to it, so be it. Move on to someone who is, but didn’t have a parent run around in brown and gold in the previous decades.

It’s not like the club can control how good “eligible” humans are at the sport their parents excelled at.

Id be happy to rookie list one or two that shows promise.

 

[Topiary]

Dumb question if anyone knows - is McCabe a Hawks supporter or being in Adelaide has he adopted one of the sides there?

Solid Hawk

 

[HedgeFund]

Why? Because I want really good players at our club, whatever the source, and father-son has been an excellent and easy source of great players for many other clubs. Just not us. Not that difficult.

Agree - really good players at our club is great.

Disagree it’s been an excellent/easy source for great players at other clubs.

On the contrary very few clubs actually get players below market value through F/S.

It’s primarily romantic and whilst the occasional Daicos / Ablett Jr type gets picked up, who makes a genuine impact above / beyond where they would’ve been drafted in the open market……they’re actually very rare.

The vast majority of kids of ex-AFL players don’t make the level and/or don’t exceed the output of their fathers.

 

[tl92]

Agree - really good players at our club is great.

Disagree it’s been an excellent/easy source for great players at other clubs.

On the contrary very few clubs actually get players below market value through F/S.

It’s primarily romantic and whilst the occasional Daicos / Ablett Jr type gets picked up, who makes a genuine impact above / beyond where they would’ve been drafted in the open market……they’re actually very rare.

The vast majority of kids of ex-AFL players don’t make the level and/or don’t exceed the output of their fathers.

Geelong probably don’t win any of their 4 flags without Scarlett Ablett and Hawkins.

 

[HedgeFund]

Geelong probably don’t win any of their 4 flags without Scarlett Ablett and Hawkins.

Correct, but IMO only two other clubs could possibly point to F/S success of that nature.

Collingwood currently have Daicos x 2 and Moore. They also got Shaw x 2 and Nick Davis in the past 20 years.

Dogs currently have Liberatore, Hunter, West, Darcy & Wallis.

Two other clubs who appears to have successful F/S returns.

That leaves 15 other clubs with little to show under the F/S rule.

It’s well and truly over-rated.

 

[tl92]

Correct, but IMO only two other clubs could possibly point to F/S success of that nature.

Collingwood currently have Daicos x 2 and Moore. They also got Shaw x 2 and Nick Davis in the past 20 years.

Dogs currently have Liberatore, Hunter, West, Darcy & Wallis.

Two other clubs who appears to have successful F/S returns.

That leaves 15 other clubs with little to show under the F/S rule.

It’s well and truly over-rated.

Richo, Jonathan brown, SOS to name a few. You don’t need multiple. Any one of the above inserted into your team for peanuts is massive for a club.

 

[RedmanWasHere]

Will McCabe did a few good things, show cased his speed and contest ability, but lacked a few intercept marks, seemed a bit awed at the occasion, very lean still, i would like to see more of his forward craft, i think he was on the bench for a bit, noticed him missing a couple times for long periods, i dont remember him getting beaten in a contest, but he did kick a turn over for a shot on goal 45m out once, he isnt the polished product like Curtin who has been labelled a top 5 player for over a year already in the draft section, despite his knee injury that kept him out of most of this year, but McCabe has some great athletic potential and footy potential, so we'll wait and see how he goes next year, at this stage i have him ranked mid 20's in a strongish year for talent.

another player i liked turns out to have a Hawthorn connection is Will Lorenz (grandson of Graham Arthur) small world.

Adding to this, Graham's dad, Alan, played for Essendon and Alan's brother, Harold, played for North Melbourne.

 

[HedgeFund]

Richo, Jonathan brown, SOS to name a few. You don’t need multiple. Any one of the above inserted into your team for peanuts is massive for a club.

SOS didn’t go to Carlton as father / son. Jack did, and so did Ben (who never played a senior game). Neither have proven to be particularly useful. As I said, far more misses than hits. It’s well and truly over-rated as a source of talent.

I’ll never forget the self-flagellation some had here over poor Dev Brereton. He was never going to be more than a solid local park player. Neither will Calsher Dear IMHO.

 

[arupist]

SOS didn’t go to Carlton as father / son. Jack did, and so did Ben (who never played a senior game). Neither have proven to be particularly useful. As I said, far more misses than hits. It’s well and truly over-rated as a source of talent.

I’ll never forget the self-flagellation some had here over poor Dev Brereton. He was never going to be more than a solid local park player. Neither will Calsher Dear IMHO.

You sure about that? Son Of Serge. Sergio Silvagni - Carlton great.

 

[HedgeFund]

You sure about that? Son Of Serge. Sergio Silvagni - Carlton great.

Not in the sense we know it under the AFL draft system.

I’m aware his dad was a Carlton legend too, but the concept of clubs bidding, player choosing, and then picks shifting around in the draft didn’t exist in 1986 (obviously as there was no draft).

 

[Jane Doe]

You sure about that? Son Of Serge. Sergio Silvagni - Carlton great.

He was actually in our zone at the time and we were very keen on him but he was always going to go to Carlton

 

[tl92]

SOS didn’t go to Carlton as father / son. Jack did, and so did Ben (who never played a senior game). Neither have proven to be particularly useful. As I said, far more misses than hits. It’s well and truly over-rated as a source of talent.

I’ll never forget the self-flagellation some had here over poor Dev Brereton. He was never going to be more than a solid local park player. Neither will Calsher Dear IMHO.

Isn’t that just a reflection of stars representing only say 5% of players? Its been a free hit for heaps of clubs, many of whom have at least one champion from this source. Obviously most don’t become stars, just like most draft picks don’t either.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

I think we've gone off track here guys. Reign it in, please.

 

[RIOLINWITPUNCHS]

Could be a good year to get a bargain father son pick in McCabe next year.

With such a strong draft crop we might be able to get him pretty cheap even if he smashes it next year.