Preview 2023 Goodbye (To 2024) New; Preseason Discussion

[Peninsula Boy]

Like your posts and information, analysis. Yes credit to the previous greats they got us there. The AFL IS a different reality and it is so much harder to get into the window of winning the big game. This year the list looks to have covered the short comings of last year, early days.

I don't think the AFL is that much of a different reality at all. I think that is a bit of a copout. Football is football.

As TK has said, it is the attitude or the loss of the Port Adelaide Creed with the current administration that is the problem, that is, the centre of gravity of the football club is not winning.

When we get a Chairman who has the Port Adelaide Creed running in his veins, we will be back. Enter Warren Tredrea.

If you really look back at great teams or dynasties, they will have great people in charge.
If you look at average or poor teams and their runs, you will see people with no idea.

We all think that the Port Adelaide Football Club will always win and always be awesome but it was always the quality of the people who brought us success.

We have a very good, exciting list that is about to peak but the coaching is dire. The connection between these two elements will really determine our year. The list will have to play over the coaching unless the coaching improves.

 

[Peninsula Boy]

Imagine Koch and Hinkley running the Magpies in the SANFL for 11 years from the mid-80s without making a grand final and telling everyone how tough it is to compete in the second best competition in the land and how it's unreasonable to think a little blue collar battler like us could ascend into the hallowed ranks of the AFL like the recently promoted Sturtwood.

When you put it like that, it really shows the current administration up.

 

[philthy05]

I’m happy to be wrong, but I think Mead will surprise a few people this year. I don’t see the harm in throwing Rozee on a wing, he’ll still rack up 25-30 possessions per game. He is a good clearance player, but JHF, Butters & Drew are all ahead of him in that category.

Wait. Who’s ahead of rozee as a clearance player? He’s a perfect example of quality matters over quantity. He’s a Brownlow contender playing on ball, and his ability to take the ball out of the centre and run is game changing for us. Moving rozee out of the centre would be outright tanking.

He should only go to the wing (or forward) when we’re rotating him.

Soldo forward is going to happen.

If it's not at the expense of Dixon it could be Finlayson.

Ollie Lord / Marshall / Soldo

I'm in agreement we didn't pick him up not to play him but if Jordan Sweet is looking the part as 1st Ruck Port will not start him in the sanfl. We will try and keep him out there.

“Going to happen”

Why? Why is it going to happen?

What makes him a better option than all of Dixon Georgiades finlayson ?

I dont get why Mcentee and DBJ get half forward passes but we seem content on Mead being centre square or bust

Because mead can’t play anywhere else.

Hes too slow, doesn’t cover enough ground to be an outside mid, and doesn’t have any hurt factor or weapons, even his much talked about pre draft kick has not eventuated into anything at afl level.

I started to voice concerns pre draft about his speed, and question marks about where he could play at afl level.

I said we were falling into the Toumpas trap of he looks good at sanfl level but looking at his games he wasn’t winning first touch, nor getting outside on the run, he was hanging off packs and getting the second touch and had space galore that no one ever gets around stoppages at agl level unless they make it themselves (see rozee speed and side steps out of stoppages)


It’s going to take a dramatic turnaround for mead to become an afl footballer.

also, no one thinks Dbj and mcintee should get passes in those positions, tho they do have speed that mead doesn’t and have ability to make an impact, tho not enough, that mead hasn’t shown.

 

[DaTBird187]

So you're voting for Abernathy because he's a better MC than Tredrea?

If that's their reasoning, vote for Stryke

 

[manureid]

I can't believe people are still interacting with that dundercloud troll.

 

[Duck Farmer]

I don't think the AFL is that much of a different reality at all. I think that is a bit of a copout. Football is football.

Yeah, what's tougher:

• winning 9 SANFL premierships in a 12 year period from 1988 to 1999 when the SANFL is still operating at a high standard; or
• qualifying for 1 AFL grand final in a 12 year period from 2013 to 2024?

I'm supremely confident that when we fail to reach the big dance again this year the thunderclouds of the world will continue to tell us that iT's NoT tHe SaNfL aNyMoRe!!! and will continue to be uncritical apologists for the pathetic losers running the club because Kenny can't kick it for 'em.

 

[EskimoPAFC]

Yeah, what's tougher:

• winning 9 SANFL premierships in a 12 year period from 1988 to 1999 when the SANFL is still operating at a high standard; or
• qualifying for 1 AFL grand final in a 12 year period from 2013 to 2024?

I'm supremely confident that when we fail to reach the big dance again this year the thunderclouds of the world will continue to tell us that iT's NoT tHe SaNfL aNyMoRe!!! and will continue to be uncritical apologists for the pathetic losers running the club because Kenny can't kick it for 'em.

Qualifying for a GF is extremely tough

So hard that since our last one, St Kilda (2x), the Bulldogs (2x), Fremantle, Adelaide and Melbourne have done it.

 

[TeeKray]

Qualifying for a GF is extremely tough

So hard that since our last one, St Kilda (2x), the Bulldogs (2x), Fremantle, Adelaide and Melbourne have done it.

I mean, 13 of the other 17 clubs have made the GF since we last did, including a club that didn't even exist until half a decade after our last GF.

Only Essendon, Carlton, North and the SUNS haven't made one more recently than us.

 

[thundercloud]

Membersip

I mean, 13 of the other 17 clubs have made the GF since we last did, including a club that didn't even exist until half a decade after our last GF.

Only Essendon, Carlton, North and the SUNS haven't made one more recently than us.

8 teams have won the GF.
The last 4 teams into the competition port adelaide has won a grand final
6 of the teams from Victoria
Of the last 11 GF winners just 1 from non victorian clubs.

 

[TeeKray]

Membersip
8 teams have won the GF.
The last 4 teams into the competition port adelaide has won a grand final
6 of the teams from Victoria
Of the last 11 GF winners just 1 from non victorian clubs.

I totally accept that it's significantly more difficult to win a grand final as a non Victorian club but you 100% absolutely can't win a premiership if you can't even get to the grand final to begin with.

 

[Tibbs]

Like your posts and information, analysis. Yes credit to the previous greats they got us there. The AFL IS a different reality and it is so much harder to get into the window of winning the big game. This year the list looks to have covered the short comings of last year, early days.

You cant realistically be posting this delusional rubbish ... and NOT be a Hinkley!

 

[Alberton Proud]

lol they got davo

Like shooting fish a barrel mate

 

[Alberton Proud]

Went to boston fc reunion couple of years back and Abernathy was ok as master of ceremony. The 2 wakelins spoke brilliantly and leslie and abba had a good public chat. Asked tredrea on way into a game re polec and he said straight out had been gone for awhile. So what yu see publicly is probably what you get.

I really want some of what you’re huffing
Help a brother out ?

 

[thundercloud]

You cant realistically be posting this delusional rubbish ... and NOT be a Hinkley!

Chris Davies recommended to the board that hinkley be reappointed as per whatever criteria, information etc. They decided on 2 years so he is the head coach for the next 2 years. That is not a delusional mirage. Contract/ageement signed. Davies recommendation agreed upon and his position is tenable and remains as was.
This seems all clear imo it is what it is. Some supporters might not agree, but 60,000 will probably be members and commercially that could be considered satisfactory along with the support from mg etc. Accept the reality enjoy the wins and we will see!

 

[Launchpad McQuack]

Accept the reality enjoy the wins

Herein lies the problem.

 

[Duck Farmer]

Some supporters might not agree, but 60,000 will probably be members and commercially that could be considered satisfactory along with the support from mg etc. Accept the reality enjoy the wins and we will see!

We had 60,000 members and MG as a sponsor last year while winning 13 games in a row. Did you actually go the home final against GWS last year and experience the morgue-like atmosphere as we shat the bed in a straight sets exit as predicted by many after prematurely ejaculating on a Hinkley extension? If so, did you accept the reality and enjoy it?

 

[thundercloud]

We had 60,000 members and MG as a sponsor last year while winning 13 games in a row. Did you actually go the home final against GWS last year and experience the morgue-like atmosphere as we shat the bed in a straight sets exit as predicted by many after prematurely ejaculating on a Hinkley extension? If so, did you accept the reality and enjoy it?

Suck it in and move on New season and the recruiting group have addressed the obvious areas and now up to this years players and coaches.

 

[Kenny_Powers]

Ah the "players"......ready for the inevitable, "Ken can't kick it for them" when we exit the finals series this year.

If Ken can't mentally prepare them, and/or the players cant successfully perform to Kens gameplan, after 12 years in charge.....then what exactly is Ken paid almost a million a year for?




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[simba_]

Suck it in and move on New season and the recruiting group have addressed the obvious areas and now up to this years players and coaches.

you didn't address his questions at all though, I would be interested in the response

 

[Butters and Pepper]

No conflict of interest at all for Chris Davies, signing him up for another 2, all seems perfectly legit.

 

[Lightning_Rod]

Suck it in and move on New season and the recruiting group have addressed the obvious areas and now up to this years players and coaches.

Do you know how many cycles of this we have had in his tenure as coach, we are forever finding missing pieces to this grand puzzle.

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[Duck Farmer]

Suck it in and move on New season and the recruiting group have addressed the obvious areas and now up to this years players and coaches.

The obvious areas have not been addressed.

 

[Nelso]

Suck it in and move on New season and the recruiting group have addressed the obvious areas and now up to this years players and coaches.

You're forgetting finals are scary.

 

[Janus]

Qualifying for a GF is extremely tough

So hard that since our last one, St Kilda (2x), the Bulldogs (2x), Fremantle, Adelaide and Melbourne have done it.

And pray tell, what was the 'last one' of those clubs?

St Kilda - 1997 - 2009 (12 years) - another GF appearance in 2010
Western Bulldogs - 1961 - 2016 (55 years) - another GF appearance in 2021
Fremantle - N/A - 2013 (joined the AFL in 1995) (18 years)
Adelaide - 1998 - 2017 (19 years)
Melbourne - 2000 - 2021 (21 years)

I mean, 13 of the other 17 clubs have made the GF since we last did, including a club that didn't even exist until half a decade after our last GF.

Only Essendon, Carlton, North and the SUNS haven't made one more recently than us.

West Coast - 2006 - 2015 (9 years) - another GF appearance in 2018
Sydney - 2006 - 2012 (6 years) - GF appearances in 2014, 2016 and 2022
Geelong - 2008 (1 year) - GF appearances in 2009, 2011 and then 2020 (9 years) and 2022
Collingwood - 2003-2010 (7 years) - GF appearances in 2011, 2018 and 2023

Hawthorn - 1991- 2008 (17 years) - GF appearances in 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015
Richmond - 1982 - 2017 (35 years) - GF appearances in 2019 and 2020
GWS - N/A - 2019 (8 years)
Brisbane - 2004 - 2023 (19 years)

Port Adelaide - 2007 - present (16 years)

So in reality, you're annoyed that Port Adelaide isn't:

1. The biggest club in the country (Collingwood)
2. The wealthiest club in the country (West Coast)
3. In the biggest market in the country (receiving the concessions that go along with that) (Sydney)
4. The best run club in the country (Geelong)

Because every other club as taken as long as we have, if not longer, to make another GF at some point.

 

[TeeKray]

And pray tell, what was the 'last one' of those clubs?

St Kilda - 1997 - 2009 (12 years) - another GF appearance in 2010
Western Bulldogs - 1961 - 2016 (55 years) - another GF appearance in 2021
Fremantle - N/A - 2013 (joined the AFL in 1995) (18 years)
Adelaide - 1998 - 2017 (19 years)
Melbourne - 2000 - 2021 (21 years)



West Coast - 2006 - 2015 (9 years) - another GF appearance in 2018
Sydney - 2006 - 2012 (6 years) - GF appearances in 2014, 2016 and 2022
Geelong - 2008 (1 year) - GF appearances in 2009, 2011 and then 2020 (9 years) and 2022
Collingwood - 2003-2010 (7 years) - GF appearances in 2011, 2018 and 2023

Hawthorn - 1991- 2008 (17 years) - GF appearances in 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015
Richmond - 1982 - 2017 (35 years) - GF appearances in 2019 and 2020
GWS - N/A - 2019 (8 years)
Brisbane - 2004 - 2023 (19 years)

Port Adelaide - 2007 - present (16 years)

So in reality, you're annoyed that Port Adelaide isn't:

1. The biggest club in the country (Collingwood)
2. The wealthiest club in the country (West Coast)
3. In the biggest market in the country (receiving the concessions that go along with that) (Sydney)
4. The best run club in the country (Geelong)

Because every other club as taken as long as we have, if not longer, to make another GF at some point.

We haven't taken 16 years to make another grand final, it's 16 and counting with no indication that this will not extend well beyond 16.